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November 17, 2005

Is yelling ever acceptable at work?

Currently, I have a nice Team Lead at work and a nice Manager. They are respectful to me and truly listen to me when I have a worry or a suggestion.
My previous Team Lead (who is now in a different part of the company) was a terrible boss. He yelled at me - actually raised his voice (which I find completely unacceptable in business) because I disagreed with him on an issue.

I am a member of Tech Republic because I do techie kinda stuff. Currently, there is a discussion going on there about when it might be appropriate to yell at co-workers or employees.

I cannot believe that these folks are even discussing the possibility of as acceptable business behaviour. I was shocked when my last Team Lead yelled at me.

My feeling is that bosses should always treat people with civility. There is never any reason for raising one's voice in the business world unless you are warning someone of an impending disaster - like a tree is falling over on the employee.

Apparently, many people think it is just fine and dandy to yell at people - in front of other people.

So, tell me - you who are in management - do you yell at people at work?

Posted by Beth at November 17, 2005 5:08 AM

Comments

Once upon a time, when I was in management, I dealt with all sorts of unruly employees. I had attitudes coming out my ass from these people and NEVER did I yell at them. You treat people the way you would like to be treated. End of discussion.

Posted by: Da Goddess at November 17, 2005 6:04 AM

I yelled at people alla time, in my previous work.

Of course, I shot at people, too. So mebbe I shouldn't have yelled... Nah!

Then there's all those Coaches...

Whatsyerbeef?

8^D

Posted by: John of Argghhh! at November 17, 2005 7:02 AM

Well, John, I hope you don't yell at people where you work now!

If I wanted to be in the Army and get yelled at, I would have done that for a living.

humph

Posted by: Beth at November 17, 2005 11:04 AM

Snerk! Like *that's* why you left the service!

Posted by: John of Argghhh! at November 17, 2005 11:09 AM

Always I yell at people; it makes them feel appreciated and wanted.

Cheers

Posted by: J.M. Heinrichs at November 17, 2005 1:05 PM

Good managers are like good Sergeants (funny, that, eh?), the really good ones almost never use the traditional "inlay the miscreant into the wall via sound waves"... They instead cultivate a plethora of subliminal abilities that seem far more effective. (Not unlike the General officer who understands when and when not to curse...)

In the civilian sector, civility should be the professional norm, with yelling regulated to asking for the salt over the strains of the neaby mariachi band.

Immeadiately resorting to "a$$-chewing" isn't going to either make points or speed up production...

Posted by: Sgt. B. at November 17, 2005 1:42 PM

What good does yelling do? You can communicate more effectively with tone of voice, expressions, and straight foward comments.

OMG! I am talking manager-ese!!!! :)

Posted by: Amy at November 17, 2005 7:16 PM

It has it's place. Should be rare, but it does have it's place. It's like spanking--rare, but for some people it's the only thing that gets thru to them.
If the decision has been made, becuase the superior has the 'power' to make that call, and you continue to dither---you better expect to get yelled at, literally. That's proffesional too.
Civil means we all agree to play by certain rules---if you break 'em by ignoring that the dunder head over your actually has the authority to make decisions you don't like all bets are off.
At least, that's what my Wisconsin Raised Mother taught me.

Posted by: ry at November 17, 2005 8:36 PM

ANd there are times when I do have to get in someones grill in teaching labs. Danger isn't always immenent, but people sometimes just don't listen. At that point, F them. I'm not going into hock over their stupidty when they cause a fire or injury.
And I sure don't want my @$$ chewed out for not following disposal protocals either. If'n I can't fire them or have them banned you better expect me to yell and emberass the hell out of you when someone is an idiot.
It has it's place Beth. The world isn't always a nice place. you don't toss out the effective tool 'hammer' because it's mean to the 'nails' now do you?
Abuse is one thing, and people do abuse yelling(a lot), but to rule it out entirely? Folly.

Posted by: ry at November 17, 2005 8:41 PM

I've always found that a very quiet "no excuses just explain how your are going to fix this and how it is never going to happen again" to be much more effective. The problem is usually corrected quickly and the waiting for the other shoe of blam to drop usually keeps the offending party in line for quite a while. (Having a reputation for not threatening but acting also doesn't hurt.)

On the other hand I had a boss a couple links up the chain who was an ex-marine with a reputation for yelling in extreme instances. My usual response to anything he requested was yes sir. How high sir? And on the head of which pin would you like me to land? I never actually heard him yell.

Posted by: Punctilious at November 18, 2005 1:29 PM

No, no. I've never had to yell, no need to. I always treated my employees with respect and they learned to respect me or they didn't last long. They would have be fired long before I ever had to resort to yelling. I would consider yelling to be a sign of weakness or fear on my part.

Maybe that's another difference between the sexes.

Posted by: Janette at November 20, 2005 7:04 AM

Different clients require different communication strategies. One of my first clients was very Italian. Unless we sat literally nose-to-nose yelling at the tops of our lungs he couldn't take what I said seriously. There was never any animus involved.

Propinquity, tone, and volume all vary culturally.

Posted by: Dave Schuler at November 20, 2005 8:05 PM

The first time I got so upset at a coworker who was assisting me on a multiperson task as to start yelling at him, my boss noticed, and that was when he began grooming me for management.

Posted by: triticale at November 21, 2005 8:41 AM