Stupid Pilot Tricks...
Dusty sent me a series of pics. This is one of 'em.

Hmmmm. What's this fella up to? Wanna find out? Along with what Dusty and Bill hadda say about it? Click on the Flash Traffic/Extended Entry link below and find out!
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Kinda looks like a puppy coming in for a treat, doesn't he?

Reeeeely coming in for a treat! Nosy fella, aint' he? Dusty picks up here:
After sending John these pictures, he wrote back:
And this was a good idea because?
Is this just "pilot stuff" or was there a real purpose?
Two very good questions.
I have no idea where this was shot or why, but this is typical of European air forces...lotsa stuff they do we wouldn't dream of doing (anymore). Not because it's too hard but because it's sort of pointless.
It's like flying an aggressive overhead pattern in min 'burner, 60 degrees of bank in the final turn, 30 degrees nose-low, then rolling out, swapping ends, chopping the throttle to idle and touching down a millisecond later. It looks cool but if you destroy a multi-million dollar national asset in the process it's supremely stupid.
Chalk it up to boredom. Most (not all, but most) people flying the Eurofighter, with the possible exception of the Brits, probably don't get much opportunity to do a lot of operational (as in in Iraq and Afghanistan) flying so my guess someone started playing the "wouldn't it be cool if...!" game in their minds and the next thing you know you have a Typhoon resting its radome on an airborne C-130's ramp.
But, I could be wrong.
Maybe I'm losing my sense of humor but if I was their Wing King, I'd be tearin' faces off right about now...
Now Bill hadda weigh in, and he did it all Tuttle-y (as we've come to expect, after all, Dusty and I were RLO's (Real Live Ossifers) and therefore are humorless and dull), so, Bill sez:
So, is the loadmaster holding up Miss December for the Eurojock's edification or is the loader getting ready to mid-air transfer the box lunch the fighter guy left on the Ops counter?
Dusty did a wing-over and snap-shot back:
The answer is usually "a" (seriously).
As for "b," the mid-air transfer would be difficult with a pressurized canopy (even tho' is is going slow enough to have to drop the slats...you know, limping along at about twice the "dash" speed of a Huey). Of course, had one of the film crew been a jealous type, envious of the fast mover strutting his stuff so brazenly (like, say, a rotary-wing guy) he could have just tossed it in the intakes.
So, Bill volleyed back with:
The 177th FIG our of Atlantic City used to hold up the latest centerfold for the edification of the Bear crews they intercepted. The Bear crews always had their cameras out, telephoto lenses firmly in place.
As far as strutting goes, I had an F-4 guy call me once:
"Huey on the medevac pad at Binh Thuy -- can you do *this*?" as he made a low pass, inverted, along the active.
"Nope," I replied. "Can you do *this*?" as I took off tail-first.
Heh. I get better email than you guys do.
After sleeping on it - I figured this is probably a shoot for something like Discovery/History/Military/Fill-in-the-blank Channel... which means the Wing King would have been flying this bit himself... mebbe.
� Secure this line!
Reporting As Ordered, Sir! �
On the "europeans doing stuff we wouldn't dream of anymore" note, look up some of the videos of the Swiss running their fighters around mountains. In formation. They're on youtube
by Spade on January 10, 2008 11:25 AM
Wait until you're leading a 4-ship over the Swiss Alps (long story...very political, very weird) enroute to Aviano in the clag (weather, clouds, thick, bumpy, etc., etc.).
I got a feeling we were being watched, looked over at my #2, and could make out an "extra airplane" camped on his left wing. To avoid totally freaking him out, risk his going lost wingman or unintentionally turning into our guest, I didn't say anything, just kept an eye on our Swiss "escort." Not a word from anybody about being intercepted. My guess is his partner was perched on #4's right wing but the clouds were too thick to confirm that.
Pretty frickin' impressive. Dumb. But impressive.
by
Instapilot on January 10, 2008 3:32 PM
That last bit reminds me of a story that Bob Stevens did once for "There I Was". Not sure I remember it exactly, but it went something like this...
The players: a B-52, an escorting F-4, and the pilots of each.
F-4 pilot: "I can do something you can't do."
[F-4 does a barrel roll around the B-52, then returns to his position off the Buff's wing]
B-52 pilot: "Not bad, li'l friend, but I can do something you can't."
[F-4 pilot watches, but sees nothing. B-52 just keeps flying straight & level.]
F-4 pilot: "I don't see anything. What'd ya do?"
B-52 pilot: "I just shut down two engines, and I'm waiting for you to top that!"
by wolfwalker on January 10, 2008 3:58 PM
This was running around the forum over at F-16.net for a while and the story I heard is that they were filming a recruiting commercial. The cargo plane is a C-17 IIRC and he's a bit farther away than it looks.
Great pics anyways!
by
Parrothead Jeff on January 10, 2008 5:29 PM
Test of an alternate mid-air refueling method? Includes a windshield wash?
by Brad on January 10, 2008 6:39 PM
Jeff - so, the story is we were using one of our C-17's to shoot a recruiting commercial for a European air force?
That's a Eurofighter there, *not* an F-16.
Just sayin'...
by
John of Argghhh! on January 11, 2008 8:42 AM
OK, I admit I was wrong about the camera platform, but they were filming a commercial ;-)
http://www.f-16.net/index.php?name=PNphpBB2&file=viewtopic&t=7324&highlight=
http://www.kgadams.net/2007/07/29/close-enough-for-you-bub/
And yes, Canada has C-17s and you never quite know what they'll do with 'em so I'm not too far off base!
by
Parrothead Jeff on January 11, 2008 3:11 PM
John
1. RAF has C17s.
2. RAF has Typhoons.
Works for me.
Cheers
by J.M. Heinrichs on January 11, 2008 6:45 PM
� Dismissed, Soldier!
Bill checks in from "Somewhere in theater"
First chance I've had to get online, but I've got pix enough to make everybody happy -- mix of old and brand new, oddball, and just weird. Lotta gun pr0n, some airplane fiddlies, Hummer and vehicle goodies.
And a patch that'll make AFSis jump through hoops.
We'll be out of here on *******, back to ********* (and wireless), then back stateside on Saturday/Sunday to work on POI. Already made one student convert from fixed wing to fling wing and got a blue-suiter O-6 halfway through his RW orientation (simulator only thus far).
Some minor booms around, but nothing close. Say "Hiya" to the gang.
Carborundum is *so* happy, I'm sure. "Some minor booms around," he sez. I wonder what Carborundum (Bill's long-suffering Guardian Angel) has to say about that...!
Reporting As Ordered, Sir! �
"Some minor booms around,"
Anyone taking bets on how much he's understating things? I mean, to a helo guy, "minor booms" would seem to be anything he can see, hear and feel that doesn't actually touch him. :P
by
FbL on December 11, 2007 9:17 AM
I was going to say, considering the TINS around here, "minor booms" could mean that he was hit, lost everything but the tail boom and still managed to fly it in.
glad to hear all is wel.
by
kat-missouri on December 11, 2007 11:58 AM
I usually went by: if I only heard it and/or felt it on my skin but didn't feel it inside my torso, then it was a minor boom landing somewhere far away. Of course, I only admit that now that I'm back...
by Oldloadr on December 11, 2007 12:07 PM
Anyway, Bill, glad to hear you are back in the thick of it and having fun...
by Oldloadr on December 11, 2007 12:10 PM
It was a misspelling of "miner boons",
Cheers
by J.M. Heinrichs on December 11, 2007 1:56 PM
YAY!
So glad to hear from you, SB!!! I knew you were "in country"... I just don't know WHICH country, lol.
I know... I know... it's top secrut. I'm very curious about that patch!!!!
by AFSister on December 11, 2007 9:17 PM
MacGyver says that "minor booms" is anything that doesn't take out BOTH rotors...eesh. Glad I'm just *now* finding that out.
by
HomefrontSix on December 12, 2007 6:57 PM
� Dismissed, Soldier!
Go 'way. I'm busy today. Today sucked.
Contents of this post deleted due to complete irrelevance.
Ya got to be able to beat Oklahoma, boys, if you want to be National Champions.
A prefect trifecta of losses, I didn't even have *one* number in the lottery drawing.
Ah well. I can go back to not giving a flying flip about sports until next year.
Reporting As Ordered, Sir! �
24-3 at the half..good thing the Middies are playing nice
by
Marvin on December 1, 2007 1:11 PM
Heh.
That's the game I'm "pro-forma" interested in.
by
John of Argghhh! on December 1, 2007 1:24 PM
The only reason I paid attention to your threat was that you promised to punish others for my misdeeds.
That.........and I don't know how to really mess with stuff, photo-shop, etc.
So I will just pop in here and say how much I enjoyed the game.
by
Maggie on December 1, 2007 5:40 PM
Heh. No doubt you did.
Gad. That was a sad performance.
by
John of Argghhh! on December 1, 2007 7:21 PM
Watching the Army Navy game for me has always been somewhat like the Iran Iraq war.
Who cares who wins?
by
jim b on December 1, 2007 8:12 PM
NC-17d, you are authorized to hunt "Steve" the comment-bot. ROE "whatever you can get away with" and don't forget to cover up your BCR Labs nameplate when in range of security cameras. *Somebody* forgot to latch the portcullis again ...
by
bad cat robot on December 1, 2007 9:04 PM
Jim,
I care because I think of the Army-Navy Game as akin to the Super Bowl in a couple of ways. First, I hope that neither team embarrasses itself. Second, I watch at least as much for the ads as for the game. Both the Cadets and the Middies routinely produce some utterly hysterical bits of trash-talking.
by wolfwalker on December 1, 2007 9:17 PM
I'm with Jim b. To Hell With Georgia. And Tech, too!
(as our Bow-Wows rip through the air!)
Sorry, now that I think, I really am partial to the North Avenue Trade School, mean as she was to me.
by
Justthisguy on December 2, 2007 3:28 AM
Jim - I care who wins!!!!!!
lol
Although I didn't get to watch, I was at work and listened on the Internet, so I didn't see any of the Spirit ads. The favorite Naval Consort said the Navy ones sucked and the Army ones were better. Anyone have links?
by
Maggie on December 2, 2007 10:36 AM
� Dismissed, Soldier!
Border War
Yesterday: Kansas Jayhawks...#2, 11-0
Missouri Tigers, #3, 10-1
They met in Arrowhead Stadium last night.
Today: Missouri Tigers 11-1 And prolly #1, since LSU lost, too.
Kansas Jayhawks Chickenhawks 11-1
MU-WHA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA!
I've taken a lot of guff this week, being a Tiger-in-Kansas.
Right now, life is pretty good. And since I completely ignore basketball and other sports, my armor is impervious.
Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.
Now to see if Coach Pinkel and his streak of Tigers can break the Oklahoma Curse in San Antonio next week.
HIT IT!
HOORAY, HURRAH, MIZZOU, MIZZOU!
HOORAY, HURRAH, MIZZOU, MIZZOU!
HOORAY, HURRAH, AND A BULLY FOR OLD MIZZOU,
RAH! RAH! RAH! RAH!
MIZZOU-RAH! MIZZOU-RAH! MIZZOU-RAH, TIGERS!
Okay. Enough of that stuff.
Reporting As Ordered, Sir! �
In pulling a quote from that "most-quoted" American - A. Nonymous, "Bite Me!!" :) ML
by
Mike Lehnherr on November 25, 2007 9:22 AM
LOLOLOL.... I love a good gloat.
by AFSister on November 25, 2007 7:07 PM
Mizzou is Number 1. Who would've thunk it?
by JimC on November 25, 2007 7:46 PM
TO HELL WITH GEORGIA! (Oh, to hell with Tech, too.)
Posted by a Ga Tech dropout, who's in good company with Arthur Murray and Major McGuire.
P.s. The most surreal experience of my life so far was waking up from a fever dream (worst influenza I ever had, Sweetie had to cool my body in bathtub to avoid brain damage) and seeing some U.S. Army guys proudly holding up a UGA banner while standing in front of one of Saddam's palaces they'd just captured, on TV.
I believe that really happened, but I was running hot at the time (around 105-106 Fondly Fahrenheit), so I dunno.
by
Justthisguy on November 25, 2007 10:06 PM
And since I completely ignore basketball and other sports, my armor is impervious.
I'm a KU fan in Missouri, just call me a fish (a really sad fish) out of water.
I used to be a really big Royals fan but since Major League Baseball was destroyed by the strike of '94 and no games have been played since then (with hands over ears, eyes closed and going NANANANANANANANANA real loud)
I can't even take solace in the Chiefs who peaked when I was in high school. Tells you how old I am doesn't it?
There is no joy in Muddville, or Nevada, MO. OK, so there's lot's of joy around here, just not in MY household.
by NevadaDailySteve on November 25, 2007 11:05 PM
Lotsa luv here too!!!
Tennessee is now Number 1 in the SEC AND it's going to the Championship Game against (growl) LSU this Saturday in my home state of Georgia!!
Now that gets the ol Primal Redneck Urging moving :)
by
BloodSpite on November 26, 2007 6:04 AM
� Dismissed, Soldier!
I went. I saw. I liked.
[Denizen Ry reviews the move 300]
300. I saw it. I liked it. It isn’t history or the only thinly veiled social commentary one expects from comics produced after 1995.
It draws heavily from history for its substance but it isn’t history, not even close. It’s also done in comic book style. Everything is at the extremes---mega-pretty or mega-ugly; mega-virtuous or mega-unvirtuous. It’s a binary world. Good guys wear leather Speedos and carry bronze shields (with the inverted V, but not done in red like I am used to seeing.). Bad guys wear not-leather Speedos and lots of gold.
Aside: “Then we will fight in the shade.” That line always brings a smile to my face, ever since I first heard it in The 300, the 1960s version of history. That ranks right up there with “Nuts” as one of the gutsiest military quotes of all time.
The talk of politics being inherent to the film shows some real shallow thinking; a real lacking grasp of the actual event and all of its particulars; and a refusal to see the piece for what it is in gollom’s opinion. It’s hagiography of the Spartans, King Leonidas in particular, done in full comic book super-hero over the top coolness. Live action anime would be a good description--- there actually were moments when I expected someone to yell ‘Hitten-misturugi style…” as they cut someone down, but that would be un-Spartan like.
It’s a comic book paeon to Leonidas brought to life without a whole lot of ‘lessons’ to be taken home, not even historical ones. Full stop. Going past that and you’re making straw men, revealing far more about you than the film itself.
At the end of the day gollum liked 300. It entertained him for two hours. If you’re a Castle regular you’ll probably enjoy it too.
--ry
Reporting As Ordered, Sir! �
Oh dear, you must not be so cavalier with the putatively deeper meanings of the film. Did you really miss: " ... determined to preach todays favourite sermon, the one that peddles the gospel of the freedom in the garb of the warrior. If the movie's neo-con message is as thin as a politician's excuse, ..." Untimely ripped from the Globe & Mail's review, which closed with "... all with their shared warrior codes and their shared trails of blood, all fighting heroically to keep themselves free even when it meant keeping others enslaved. ... preferably that slick recruitment ad for our very own Spartans.
Cheers
by J.M. Heinrichs on March 10, 2007 3:57 PM
...the gospel of the freedom in the garb of the warrior.
Let us pray: From the Book of Speedo, Chapter 6, Verse 34...
by
BillT on March 10, 2007 5:03 PM
My friend Matt took Slate to task for their completely over-the-top-you-have-got-to-be-kidding-me movie review they did on it.
I'm anxious to see it now between you and he, Ry.
by
BloodSpite on March 10, 2007 5:19 PM
The Globe & Mail and their ilk still don't understand the phrase "Peace Through Strength".
by fdcol63 on March 10, 2007 5:43 PM
Forget it. I give up.
Some one pass me a misslette for the Book of Speedo, wouldya.
by ry on March 10, 2007 7:30 PM
Bloodspite - excellent links, dude!
by
John of Argghhh! on March 10, 2007 10:47 PM
My boy Matt almost always delivers "da goods" :)
I'm just happy to share'em!
by
BloodSpite on March 11, 2007 9:01 AM
Heh. Well, he's a hell of a lot funnier than me. Thank God for that.
I really think people need to put Critical Theory(the social one) aside once in a while. It's not the only tool in the box for looking for meaning in things.
What miffs me is that they seem to miss that while we're supposed to like the Spartans we aren't supposed to want to be them(what with the infanticide and general lack of civility and all). Oh no, it's just a commercial for Emperial America.
Leather kilt? Ain't that a little kinky BlSp? (shudder)
by ry on March 11, 2007 5:47 PM
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Re: How Fast Can You Fly Backward? Or Why Helicopter Pilots are Superior
*Sigh* another example of aviation penis envy.
Whenever someone starts slamming others, especially other pilots about their jets, look out. To paraphrase Shreck, sounds like hes trying to compensate for something.
AnywayI like helicopters. I think theyre kinda cool and would love trying to fly one. But, in the end, I like the idea of carrying enough killing power to equal a modern-day American artillery unit. Me. Alone. By myself.
As far as operating by the numbers is concerned, the fixed wing community does that because it must. To not do so puts you and the people around and underneath you at risk. (Vtoss, by the way is not something fixed-wingers have to worry abouttry Vmc, Vxse, Vyse, and Vsse, but I digress). Every airplane, fixed wing or rotor, has limits. How about an 80-knot crosswind? 100 knots? Do you guys fly in tornados? Its not how slow you can land, its what going on around you when you do that matters. Ask any Navy VERTREP guylanding on a pitching deck is predicated on what the boats doing, what the winds are doing (among other things), not how much forward speed hes gotalthough Im sure that factors into the equation somewhere.
As far as operating environments go, ever heard of Texas Lake? See: A-10s, Nellis, Red Flag, austere operating environments. Heh. Want a spot landing? See: United States Marine Corps, Harrier pilot, standard, one each. As for flying VFR, that would be what most of the fighter guys do on most of their sorties (OK, the air-to-muddersHogs and Vipers moren likely).
As far as flying in busy airspace goes and with cosmic cockpitscool. And, thereforewhat?
Workload. Well, I have fueled my own jet, loaded my own bombsOK, they were BDUs, but gimme a few hours of checkout and Ill help on the big stuff. Now lets talk mission workload: 100 AGL, three wingmen, radar threats, weapons, fuel, and mission management, based on what the FAC and ground commanders want/need. Serious helmet fires abound in this environment, but its when youre most alive. And, assuming you dont get assholed by an SA-whatever, 57mm AAA, small arms fire, or run into the friggin ground, its the ultimate high. Doing it well, even though it taxes you to the max, is THE rushso bring on the workload.
Fisking time:
But wait, like the Ginsu knife, "there's more!" The rotor-head does it all. He does all the pre-flight planning, submits the flight plan, prepares all the paperwork
In the Air Force, thats called being a rated pilot.
loads and briefs the passengers
Mine dont care and dont talkthey just go boom.
This part is my favorite:
Finally, the all important question, "What about control touch?" I want to shut up all the hotshot fighter pilots. I've been in their aircraft and they have been in mine... I could fly theirs but they were all over the sky in mine! So then, Mr Starch Winger; when you see a Hughes 500 or Bell 206 pilot hold one skid on a 5000' knife edge ridge that is only two feet wide so passengers can step out onto the ridge, while the other skid is suspended in space... when you watch a Skycrane, Vertol, S61, 212, or 214B pilot place a hook, that's on a cable 200 feet below the aircraft, in the hand of a ground crewman... when you see a Lama, AStar, or Bell 206L land in a space in the trees that's scarcely bigger than the helicopter... and if you ever watch a BK 117, 105, or A109 pilot land in a vacant lot next to a busy freeway surrounded by power lines -at night... Well then, you'll have some idea who is the master manipulator of aviation equipment.
Oh, please.
Yes, its easier to fly a real airplane for the first time if: you didnt do the takeoff, dont do the landing, dont go to the range, dont fly fingertip (three feet from your jet to his at cruise speeds, varying g-loads and bank angles) and basically do all the important shite you do as a fully qualified fixed-wing combat aviator. This is not to belittle the helo aviators skill, but it helps to put it in perspective.
Could I hover on my first try? Probably not very wellbut if I had a competent IP, I could probably figure out the basics in a short time. I have never been in a helo as a person with hands on the controls, but, figuring the cyclic let me go forward/back and left/right and the collective gives me up/down (and power), Id pick a visual reference on the ground and fly the airplane by keeping it in the same position relative to that point using those three controls (plus a little pedal action to keep the nose/tail aligned). Would that be a start? and Ill take all the techniques youre willing to offer.
For bird-like control touch, see: USAF/USN/USMC fighter/attack pilots, all, in fingertip formation, 90-degrees of bank, 2-3 gs, plus Thunderbirds and Blue Angels (for same in cool uniforms and surrounded by babes after landing). And thats just one example.
The bottom line is; if all you want is to get into the air, find a Cessna, Beech, F-16, or 757. However, if you want to truly fly, to be an artisan in aviation and develop a bird-like control touch; then, you want to be a helicopter pilot. After all, a rock would probably fly if you made it go 180 knots. The real question for our fixed wing brethren should be, How fast can you fly backward?
No.
The bottom line is, if you want to fly, get in an airplane. It can be fixed- or rotary-wing. They all have their uses, their peculiarities, their plusses and their minusesbut theyre ALL airplanes and theyre ALL fun. The real question to our rotary-wing brethren should be, When was the last time you did a loop?
Fly safe, dude.
Reporting As Ordered, Sir! �
I thought that might bring you out of hiding!
That was a pretty tightly controlled, how did you say that? Oh, yeah - "F**k-S**t-Hate Debrief"... as you would give to a child too young to know better.
by
John of Argghhh! on December 6, 2004 8:13 PM
As a 17 year rotor head I'm with John on this one, flying down a valley masking behind trees and suddenly doing a peddle turn sliding sideways into an LZ to drop off some 30 mean sum bitches armed to the teeth is a pretty good rush.
by
Sgt Hook on December 6, 2004 8:48 PM
As one of them mean sumbitches, I'll keep to myself what I thought as you guys went back to your tents and cots and I disappeared into the underbrush...
Of course, the point man thought I had it cushy, too!
Oh, yeah - and I don't know about loops, but I've been barrel-rolled in a Blackhawk.
by
John of Argghhh! on December 6, 2004 9:07 PM
Loops are bad for helos...unless they have a rigid rotor system. And even then it's tricky 'cause of blade flex and all the other magic stuff associated with flying those buggers. Frankly, it's not an option for any of the other models...which is why we stay at your high six. That said, Hogs fighting helos can be like inexperienced Viper guys (or, better yet, Eagle guys...heh) fighting Hogs. If you come down low with a slow mover, he'll whack you, expecially if he has AIM-9s or an equivalent. So...he may be slow but, like a badger, he can bite hard if you give him the opportunity. You can get 'im, but you gotta respect 'im.
by
Instapilot on December 6, 2004 9:41 PM
Magnificent rant, there. Not just androgens but ethanol too. (Takes one to know one.)
by Justthisguy on December 6, 2004 10:18 PM
Must...control...Fist...of...Death...
I do rant, don't I?
Heh.
by
Instapilot on December 6, 2004 10:22 PM
I heard of a LOACH pilot with 408 Squadron (in the late 70's) who looped a Kiowa ...
Cheers
JMH
by J.M. Heinrichs on December 6, 2004 10:50 PM
Dusty: The "clown loach" of the Silver Eagles--long-since disbanded by the Army because "fuel costs were becoming prohibitive"--used to finish each airshow by looping his OH-6 (fully-articulated, but it's just easier doing it rigid-rotor). Pretty much any helicopter will do a decent Split-S if you keep it in trim, but you haven't really lived until you've done a Hammerhead to zero airspeed with a pedal-turn at the top (aka "return-to-target") in a Cobra. Not recommended if the bad guys have large-caliber stuff, though.
JMH: The term "Loach" is generally acknowledged to refer to the OH-6, rather than the Kiowa (the "OH-Five-point-Eight"--because it's not quite as good as a "Six"). I know of two pilots who looped OH-58Ds and survived, but sustained inverted flight in helicopters in incondusive to longevity...
by cw4billt on December 7, 2004 1:24 PM
I liked what one of the pilots I flew with regulary did. We were flying with a couple of F-15 jocks off our wing, one of which decided to practice a few B.F.M's. He then comments across the radio "I'd like to see you guys do that!" My pilot calmly replied "Sorry dude...missed it...I was getting my steak out of the oven." The radio went strangely silent.
by
Kool Aid on December 7, 2004 7:07 PM
CW4BillT:
We didn't have the -6, so the Kiowa had to be "LOACH".
Cheers
JMH
by J.M. Heinrichs on December 7, 2004 9:44 PM
JHM:
All is forgiven. In the Best of All Possible Worlds, you'd have had real Loaches, but the vagueries of MoD procurement procedures are beyond the ken of us mere mortals, eh?
by cw4billt on December 8, 2004 9:19 AM
Although I have a fixed wing background (F-4 Phantom) I did software development for the AH64D Apache Longbow for about 6 years. A couple of years ago, Boeing held a 25th year anniversary celebration for the Apache, and as part of the festivities, they had a demonstration flight of one of our Longbows that included a loop. No shit. The Apache has enough power to maintain a constant positive g thoughout the maneuver, and can fly a loop. I imagine if you go to the Boeing web page, they may still have some video posted of the event. It was pretty impressive. Eye watering, in fact.
Sustained inverted flight...nah, not even the Apache can hack that one.
by Bugz on December 8, 2004 1:54 PM
I seem to recall that the USMC CH-53Es (Echos) have done loops, too.
by Crusader on December 8, 2004 3:52 PM
I know of one instance "fer-sure, fer-sure" of a -53 E-model being looped. The pilot (a Major) was transitioning from fixed-wing to fling-wing and his IP (a Captain) gave him the controls and told him to "go ahead and play with it" to get the feel of the aircraft.
The O-4 promptly yanked the cyclic into his lap.
Instant loop.
After the IP's heart crawled back down from his esophagus, he said, "Now that you got that out of your system, don't ever do it again with me on board...Sir."
by cw4billt on December 9, 2004 9:22 AM
Which reminds me--the starched-wing folks have Magee's High Flight, but only us helo types have Anonymous's Low Flight:
Oh, I have barely slipped the muddy clutch of Earth
And thrashed the skies on dusty, untracked rotor blades;
Earthward I've auto'ed, and joined the tumbling mirth
Of moths and bees--and done a thousand things
That would scare the s**t out of you--skidded and drooped and flared
At weed-level. Hovring there,
I've chased the frantic armadillo, and lost
The race to insignificant headwinds.
Forward, and a little up, taunting LTE
I've topped the General's hedge with drooping turns
Where never Eagle, or even Warthog flew.
And, shaking with low-frequency vibration, I've lumbered
The low uncontrolled airspace below Victor Airways,
Put out my hand and searched for FOD.
by cw4billt on December 9, 2004 10:13 AM
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