April 24, 2008
Doggone Apache Pilots Have All The Luck
Well, *some* Apache pilots do, as John noted in yesterday's H&I.
Of course, the *Cobra* pilots (yeah, yeah, okay, I'm the only one -- sue me) of the SugarButtons Brigade Aviation Battalion have a few incentives to keep current, too.
The SBB Armament Section, for one. And I sure couldn't fly very far without the selfless devotion of my fuel handlers. Of course, since the dreaded AH-1F is a flying *crew*-served weapons system, I'd be just plain foolhardy to slip the surly bonds of earth solo and deprive myself of the services of my highly-trained, exceptionally-skilled gunner.
Ah-*heh*...
Reporting As Ordered, Sir! �
she has big guns and is apparently very happy to see you.
by
kat-missouri on April 24, 2008 4:01 AM
Yup. It's that whole 27-inch zipper deal...
by
BillT on April 24, 2008 4:12 AM
Ah, finally some pictures.
Carry on.
by
Ledger on April 24, 2008 4:27 AM
Heh. Ordering me to *carry on* is like ordering John to expand the Arsenal...
by
BillT on April 24, 2008 5:14 AM
Sure, she may be highly-skilled and exceptionally endowed, but by the looks of her she must be HIGH MAINTENANCE.
***Does my MOLLE Gear Make Me Look Fat?***
***Oh My Gawwwd - Like, I went to the Latrine Last Night and - Like - Staring Me Down was - Like - the Biggest Camel Spider... - Eeewwww - Gross!****
***When will KBR start bringing skinny cherry yogurt, at the PX?****
On & On & On.... High Maintenance I tell ya!
Instead Rin-Tin, right here just needs a good belly rub, and a few Milk-Bones once in a while, and he's like butter in your hands.
by Boquisucio on April 24, 2008 9:26 AM
Rinty would work okay as a doorgunner, Boq, but ya need opposable thumbs to work the TSU and the MCP to keep the TOW within post-launch constraints.
Hey! I said *con*straints, not *re*straints...
[patiently awaiting inevitable pert-nose-outta-joint *flounce*]
by
BillT on April 24, 2008 9:35 AM
That's quite a crew, some enormous skill-sets there...
by SFC D on April 24, 2008 11:30 AM
The number one weapon against Islamic extremists: scantily dressed women firing weapons.
It is like soca and pop rocks. Mix the two and "boom"..heads explode. LOL
by kat-missouri on April 24, 2008 11:47 AM
Oh yeah, and let's not forget about Rin-tin's Crew Chief: SSG Blue. He's a bit camera shy, but boy, as many odes to his honor can attest, he sure has other skill sets.
by Boquisucio on April 24, 2008 12:00 PM
*con*straints, *re*straints...it's all good.
by
HomefrontSix on April 24, 2008 12:16 PM
Oooooo... bad trigger discipine!
by Mike47 on April 24, 2008 1:24 PM
Trigger discipline?
Must...not...make...obvious...shooting joke...
*prying fingers from keyboard*
by
Damian on April 24, 2008 1:55 PM
Snort: one new photo ...
Cheers
by J.M. Heinrichs on April 24, 2008 3:15 PM
Snort: one new photo ...
*sigh* You have *no* idea how difficult it is to get them to hold still long enough for a decent pic...
by
BillT on April 24, 2008 4:34 PM
kinda hard to get a look at the aircraft with all those women of questionable character standing in the way.
by
jim b on April 24, 2008 4:38 PM
Finally... a rational man! ;)
by
FbL on April 24, 2008 7:36 PM
Can't you see, Fuzzy, that we men are all Dogs?
by Boquisucio on April 24, 2008 7:44 PM
Finally... a rational man!
jim b was complaining that the mass of pulchritude obscured the pinup chick painted on the Apache, FuzzBee...
by
BillT on April 25, 2008 3:57 AM
Heh. Ordering me to *carry on* is like ordering John to expand the Arsenal... -Bill
And, a job well done.
Keep up the good work soldier.
by
Ledger on April 25, 2008 5:53 AM
� Dismissed, Soldier!
March 19, 2008
*Tap-tap-tap* Is this thing on?
19 Feb: Departed Philly for Atlanta, hooked up at ATL with the newbies I was to Father Goose into Iraq. Amused myself with fruitless attempts to access the "free" wireless net service.
20 Feb: Arrived Amsterdam, had a boring layover (terminal renovation in progress). Eight hours and four Time Zones later, arrived in Kuwait, got 90-day visa and hooked up with the LSA reps at 1830. Sent us to the USAF side to sit on concrete T-barriers for four hours, then got the bus for Ali al-Salem, which we could have caught from the terminal on the civilian side after spending four hours sitting in padded armchairs. Turned in 90-day visa and passport for outprocessing at Ali and got a tent for the next two days. Dust storm all night and most of the next day, tent canvas thumped like a clipper ship's sails in a gale – lucky me drew a corner cot so I received the full benefit of thwup-thoomp from two sides *and* the rogue fuh-WHAP charging through the storm flap without slowing one iota.
And that was the last entry in my ‘lectronic diary. The battery in this particular HP laptop is only good for about an hour – which I didn’t find out until *after* I brought it to Pakistan last year, but KtLW insisted it was a good deal (hey, it was on sale, and the Luddite Wife would buy Ebola-laced mouthwash if it was marked down 50%) – and I’d already shipped my transformer and adapter collection via DHL.
Meantime, aside from the week-late editions of Stars ‘n’ Stripes we get up here (mebbe a tad more than a week late – the Sunday edition features Calvin and Hobbes), I’ve been keeping up with the civil side of progress over here via a PAO-type at DA, of all places. I don't normally shill for the HeadShed, but these are some Big Picture Things you won’t get from the MSM:
-- The U.S. Army has rehabilitated and constructed nearly 1,100 schools, providing classrooms for more than 324,000 students.
-- By early 2009, Army projects will have completed 137 new primary healthcare centers that will serve a population of 5 to 6.5 million Iraqis.
-- An estimated 4.1 million more Iraqis now have access to clean, drinkable water that they didn't have before. [Two of my stoon'ts said they were surprised to find out that water was *supposed* to be clear]
-- Cities like Fallujah have their first sewage treatment plant. Before 2003, raw sewage in most of Iraq was discharged into rivers and waterways. [I can vouch that the one up here is operational]
Got a neat vid, too.
Aaaaand, to bring everybody up to date on the mil side, go see John’s post from yesterday.
Go ahead – I’ll wait.
All done? Okay, to continue: first, the Good News.
We got a new blast wall for our bunker!

Now, it may not seem like much to you, but it’s the simple, quotidian things that make a hootch a home.
Now, the Bad News.
We needed it.

Heh. No, I didn’t just give the dirtbags a free BDA, it’s been a while since I took the pic. I mean, you wouldn’t expect me to stay someplace that’s actually *dangerous*, would you? Besides, my Iraqi neighbors are a nice, quiet bunch who don’t throw loud parties after dark – I wouldn’t want them all upset by an increase in the local noise factor.
ANYway, you guys don’t come visiting just to see if I’ve developed a sudden case of common sense, so I’d better get down to something serious or John will dock my pay.
Again.
Sooooo -- Whatziss?

That oughta keep John off my case for a couple of hours. In the meantime, while he’s burning up bandwidth googling "thingies that have threaded receptacles,” meet Hubert, 21st Century version. The Huey II.

Despite the cosmetics, such as the radar altimeter, ECCM suite, wirecutters (sorry – I meant to say Wire Strike Protective System, which are those, uh, wirecutters top and bottom of the cockpit), GPS, upgraded nav-comm avionics package, Cobra engine, drive train and tranny, exhaust diverter, additional cooler intakes in the tailboom and IqAF desert cammy paint job, it’s the same plain-vanilla UH-1H that served as the foundation for most of my TINS.
BTW, if anybody (or anybody’s – * sigh * – dad) flew 68-16473 in the Land of the Two-Way Gunnery Range, that’s what the ol’ girl looks like today. Hi-rez here, for us fling-wing grognards.
Ooooops – short-term memory lapse alibi. There’s something * else * different (ever so slightly) from the RVN config. I’ll wait while you try to figure it out.
Come to think of it, I’ll wait until tomorrow.
If our sat-link doesn’t crap out.
Heh – it’ll give John *another* reason to hope the bottle rocketeers take the night off…
Reporting As Ordered, Sir! �
Nice wire cutters. Where are the armaments?
by
Ledger on March 19, 2008 5:18 AM
Mounted on a pintle just forward of the crew well.
In non-Aviator terms, sticking in front of the crewchief's bench seat (the area with all the kewl gear piled on it).
Easiest way to find it is in the Hi-Rez pic -- go straight down from the rotor head, then hang a slight left when you hit the opening the cargo door *isn't* covering because it's open.
Durn thumbnails turned out 'way smaller than I'd planned...
by
BillT on March 19, 2008 6:14 AM
Hhhmmm......I was going to say they put the tail rotor on the wrong side....but that's a function of the AH-1 drive train. Other than a gun mount with something hanging on it, I can't figure out what Bill is talking about?
68-16473...UH'1H purchased 11/69....Arrived RVN December 1969 and assigned to A Co 123 Avn Bn, Americal Division.
History of the B Co and the 123 Avn Bn is here From Aug 68 until Dec 71 A/123 flew 69,713 hours total.
473 remained with A/123 until November 1971, flying 2033 hours in RVN with no major incidents recorded that I can find.
She returned Stateside in January 1972 and went through ARADMAC for repair/upgrades.
August 1972 assigned to 6th Army at Ft. Carson and remained there with various units through 1975. In Jan 1976 she had flown a total of 2659 hours........last known duty station I can find is the 4th Inf Div at Ft. Carson, but she likely ended up with a Guard unit somewhere.
Gotta love a well seasoned airframe.....she's already cracked everywhere she's gonna....
by R. Jewell on March 19, 2008 9:02 AM
Bill,
Isn't that one of those "I stuck my head in the sand so long the sand turned to concrete" Code Pink/George Soros anti-American holes to hide in?
by AFSister on March 19, 2008 11:23 AM
Iraqi toilet
by kat-missouri on March 19, 2008 11:58 AM
Today, my Google-fu is weak. I've got some working hypotheses, but thus far, with the limited googling I've been able to do - no one has pics that show the part of the gizmo I'm looking for!
Of course, it could be a left-handed frammitz mount for the jeeberfloogle.
by
John of Argghhh! on March 19, 2008 12:57 PM
...it could be a left-handed frammitz mount for the jeeberfloogle.
Nope. The jeeberfloogle on this model sits abaft the nomalie fitting.
by
BillT on March 20, 2008 1:13 AM
Iraqi toilet
Nope. I still have *some* standards. Not a whole lot, I'll grant you -- but *some*...
by
BillT on March 20, 2008 1:16 AM
� Dismissed, Soldier!
by
CW4BillT
on
Mar 19, 2008
February 22, 2008
Someone you should know... but probably don't.

Frank Piasecki
Aviation pioneer Frank Piasecki, inventor of the tandem-rotor helicopter used in troop-transport missions and land and sea rescue flights, died Monday (11 Feb). He was 88.
Igor Sikorski was the first American to build a helicopter - Frank Piasecki was the second. His were more interesting, in the end (sorry, Igor, but hey, you'll always have the Illya Muromets!).
Born in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania to an immigrant Polish tailor, Piąsecki worked for autogyro manufacturers while still in high school. With his college buddy Howard Venzie he founded a small aeronautical company, Piasecki Helicopter. He built a single-person, single-rotor helicopter designated the PV-2 and test-flew it on April 11, 1943. This helicopter impressed the US Navy sufficiently to win Piasecki a development contract.
We know him because Piąsecki invented the concept of the tandem bladed helos. After the war, Piąsecki received a contract to build several military prototypes and this design principle came to be used in a number of helicopters that were very successful in both military and civilian use. These include the Piasecki H-21 (better known as the Flying Banana), which entered service in the 1950s, the Boeing Vertol CH-46 Sea Knight, and the CH-47 Chinook.
Piasecki eventually left Piasecki Helicopter Co. In 1955, he formed Piasecki Aircraft Corp. to continue exploring new technology. Piasecki Helicopter became Vertol Aircraft Corp. and was acquired by Boeing in 1960. Boeing still makes the Chinook and Sea Knight helicopters.
Apparently not one to slow down, a 88 Frank was still chief executive of Piasecki Aircraft, and testing is under way on his latest innovation. Seeking a new idea to replace the tail rotor of single rotor designs like the Blackhawk, the Speed Hawk helicopter has a rear-facing ducted propeller designed to improve stability and forward speed.

The music may be a little different for the non-veterans we honor here at the Castle, but now is the time at Castle Argghhh! when we dance: In Memoriam, for Frank Piasecki, whose aircraft (including the Flying Banana) I've flown in, and upon whose ideas America's warriors still rely - as illustrated in the pictures that accompany this post. I'm guessing over in the Rotary Wing section of Fiddler's Green, there's a seat for Frank.
H/t, Mike L.
Reporting As Ordered, Sir! �
A old helicopter pilot told me Helicopters don't fly they beat the air into submission
by Spanky on February 22, 2008 8:54 PM
Dang! Seems like _Everybody_ gets to stop at Fiddler's Green, these days.
Is it just undistinguished sinners like me who have to go straight to hell?
by
Justthisguy on February 24, 2008 12:35 AM
Oh, and Mr. Kaman built even weirder hellafloppers, and was that rarest of critters, an honest gummint contractor. (Which may have lost him the next contract) Did some musical innovations with the Ovation guitars, too.
by
Justthisguy on February 24, 2008 12:46 AM
� Dismissed, Soldier!
October 31, 2007
For What It's Worth...
...you've seen me give hat-tip credit for the atrocious puns and oddball jokes with which V29 and Doc E bombard me (thereby reinforcing my rep as a real stand-up, albeit strait-laced, individual) and you've "met" V29 via his semifrequent comments and the TINS Times Two we tag-teamed on a while back.
So, I figger it's time to introduce Doc E.

He's the guy on the left who forgot his sunblock. And, yes, he really *is* a doctor (even though he's never played one on TV), or, more precisely, he's now a *retired* doctor. But he prefers playing with his 'puter to playing with golf sticks -- he's a hi-tech hobbyist who's translated some of his pix from the Ol' Days into some YouTube vids, and I think you'll find his most recent effort a bit thought-provoking.
I'll link it after this caveat: although the pix and music are work-safe, there's a picture at the 6:35 mark you might want to view alone, or forego viewing altogether.
It's a shot of one of our cockpits after a typical day suddenly became a really bad one. The pilot was from my platoon.
It's a reminder that there's a price tag on freedom.
And so long as we would have freedom, there will be a price upon it, and so long as there is a price, there must be those willing to give what is asked, or we will no longer have freedom. Now transfer the image of that Huey cockpit to the interior of a Hummer or a sandbag checkpoint...
We're a fortunate people to have among us those who have given what was asked. We have the freedom for which they have paid -- and continue to pay.
It's only fair that we return them something in the way of repayment, isn't it?
Valour-IT: for what it's worth...
Reporting As Ordered, Sir! �
G'Day John,
I visit your blog probably not as often as I should, but reasonably often.
Sadly, there have been a couple of quite recent Aussie casualties in Afghanistan.
Yes, there is a price tag on freedom.
Lest We Forget.
by
Phil on October 31, 2007 5:02 AM
I didn't look away, Bill. It's the least I can do to honor the men who died.
Thanks to Doc E for putting that together. It's a perfect reminder of the importance of Project Valour-IT.
by
Barb on October 31, 2007 10:40 AM
The caveat was for the kids who wander in, Barb. Castlekin have tougher psyches.
by
BillT on October 31, 2007 5:01 PM
Thanks! You say the sweetest things :-)
by
Barb on October 31, 2007 7:05 PM
Well, the Doc is striking a noble Napoleonic pose there. What I wanna know, is the name of the guy in the silly conical hat, showing his tummy.
Bill?
P.s. I can't see Youtube vids on this ancient system. Are the images of which you write available as stills someplace?
by
Justthisguy on October 31, 2007 10:07 PM
...the name of the guy in the silly conical hat
JTG -- That'd be WO1 Leroy Dike, is my guess (the pic was taken after I left). The 55-gallon drum structure is our above-ground bunker (the water table was nine inches below the surface), which would withstand direct hits from 81mm mortars, but not from 122mm rockets. The background hootch looks like one of the wooden barracks they built after yours truly had departed for the Land of the Big PX.
by
BillT on November 1, 2007 7:30 AM
� Dismissed, Soldier!
by
CW4BillT
on
Oct 31, 2007
October 26, 2007
The howitzer at Rucker...
CAPT H suggested the gun was sitting in a Choctaw.

Nope. It was in a Mohawkve [grumble - geez, I did link to a pic of same meaning I really did *know* it, he sniveled.]. A beast of a bird with two piston engines in nacelles standing out from the fuselage.
I feel old. I've flown in one of these. Okay, I was 7 or 8. Still....
Reporting As Ordered, Sir! �
It's no source of shame to be corrected by an expert.
The H-37 is a splendid machine to look at. I have no idea how they were to fly or fly in, but as an 11-year old I cherished my toy one and stuffed it full of plastic soldiers. I was going to guess a Huey yesterday, although that would have been anachronistic for the 75.
My own first helicopter ride was in an H-21 in the summer of '67. Much more fun than walking in the dust of Indiantown Gap!
by Jeff Cornelius on October 26, 2007 11:46 AM
Expert??????
Cheers
by J.M. Heinrichs on October 26, 2007 12:07 PM
That is Definitely not a Mohawk! A Mohawk is a twin turboprop fixed wing 'spy' plane.
That is a Mojave:
http://tri.army.mil/LC/CS/csa/aahist.htm#CH37
Here is the illustrious OV-1 Mohawk of cold war fame and way too many TINSs
http://www.ov-1mohawk.org/
"Alone, Unarmed, and Scared spit-less"
by Nosmo on October 26, 2007 1:52 PM
[rolls eyes]
by
John of Argghhh! on October 26, 2007 2:45 PM
A Mohawk you say? I PITY THE FOOL!
by MR. T's Haircut on October 26, 2007 3:33 PM
I don't think so...OV1D Mohawk was a fixed wing twin-turboprop observation type...my recollection is a picture with FLIR pod installed. Love your site. Check it almost daily. LF
http://www.carolinasaviation.org/collections/aircraft/ov1d-62-5890.html
by Larry Fountain on October 26, 2007 5:02 PM
Larry and Jeff got it. The H-37 is the Mojave (a Sikorsky critter) and the OV-1D is the Mohawk (made by Grumman).
I can see how John got confused, though -- Grumman's Bethpage plant was right across LI Sound from Sikorsky's Stratford facility...
by
BillT on October 26, 2007 5:11 PM
Oh fiddle, I knew it was Mohave, I was in a rush this morning, dammit. I hadda pack so that I could sprint (okay, waddle) from the TOC to the car to the airport - and had slow access. I'da fixed it myself if I hadn't been busy TOC'ing!
Sigh.
I *hate* days like this.
by
John of Argghhh! on October 26, 2007 6:12 PM
History of the Grumman OV-1
“Martin Baker Mk 5 ejection seats – the 1st Army aircraft to use ejection seats”
Is this true?
by
Ledger on October 26, 2007 8:31 PM
...the 1st Army aircraft to use ejection seats”
Is this true?
Indeed it is. All previous Army fixed-wing aircraft were slow (and stable) enough to allow the pilots to exit through the cockpit door -- the OV-1D had a bubble canopy and was *fast* -- and putting ejection seats in a helicopter would be a wasted effort, for obvious reasons.
Besides, if they stuck ejection seats in fling-wings, then they'd have to give us parachutes -- and those things are *expensive*, ya know...
by
BillT on October 27, 2007 12:09 AM
� Dismissed, Soldier!
October 25, 2007
Continuing the "What's wrong with this pic?" meme...
Here's a another shot of the Boeing 347 down at Rucker, this time from the flank. There's your turbine nacelles, NinjaFluff - though, as I noted in the comments other post, they're empty.

Larger version can be had here.
Now here's one that will turn a few heads around here - though I'm sure the Vulture Brothers are familiar with it.

Who knew the Army operated the RP-2E - a variant of the only purpose-built anti-submarine bomber the US fielded (The others were derived from transport aircraft...)? It is also the last piston-engined bomber to be delivered into US service, or so I understand.
These aircraft were flown by an Army electronic warfare unit in Vietnam - the 1st Radio Research Company , aka the- "Crazy Cats" - from 1967 to 1972. That was news to me... and you can see a larger version here.
Reporting As Ordered, Sir! �
Woo, Nacelles! Thanks, Armorer for that side shot. I've got a question about the RP-2E you've got shown here... I'm not able to find anything about this one, but I did manage to find something about an AP-2E. Is this the same aircraft, or just a different variant? This one is also at Ft. Rucker in Alabama. Here's the link I've found: http://aeroweb.brooklyn.cuny.edu/specs/lockheed/ap-2e.htm
by NinjaFluff on October 25, 2007 8:46 AM
I believe the S-2 and S-3 were purpose bult ASW. I think the C-1 and E-1 are actually a devivative of the S-2, not the other way around. The S-2 had an internal bomb bay, although I'm not sure about the S-3 so maybe the devil in the details is whether you would actually call them a bomber or not.
NinjaFluff, there's a nice little write up on the AP-2H here
There were so many one off mods done on older airframes for Viet Nam I'm not sure if anyone can
keep track of which ones went where...
by
Pogue on October 25, 2007 9:02 AM
Forward and Aft blades don't intermesh because of the increased height of the aft pylon.
That would have increased Bill's "comfort level"
Wings would have made great rocket pod mounts, ala Guns-A-Go-Go........
Throw in some Naphalm canisters on the wings, so you didn't have to roll drums of Phu-Gas with thermites wired to them off of the ramp.......
I'm an old "Hooker", but didn't know this aircraft existed either.
Perhaps the "wings" being present upset the Air Force?
by R Jewell on October 25, 2007 12:04 PM
Wait a minute! Martin built a dedicated ASW piston-(and jet)powered airplane, too. I think that Steeljaw did a feature about it on his blog, with purty pictures!
It was built when the unbelievably cranky Glenn Martin was still alive. (Y'all should look up the Glenn Martin chicken(duck?)-feed stories.)
by
Justthisguy on October 25, 2007 7:48 PM
NinjaF - based on the tail number, your link is to the same aircraft. The site you link to is wrong, I believe. The RP-2E (I believe that's the correct Army designation) was used for electronic warfare purposes, not air support.
by
John of Argghhh! on October 25, 2007 7:58 PM
Doesn't the R prefix usually mean some kind of recon mission for the aircraft? Like the RC-135 'Cobra Ball', etc.?
by ry on October 25, 2007 10:17 PM
This aircraft is yet another Army attempt to build something to fly that has a fixed wing fighter capability that they can get away with without offending he Air Force's sensibilities.
Yawn.
by
jim b on October 25, 2007 10:34 PM
Well, Ry, it does for the Air Force.
The record on the web is contradictory - with AP-2E having the pre-ponderance that I've found.
This site seems to have the most comprehensive listing with explanations, and supports the "RP" designation.
The National Security Agency, which was the real tasker of the aircraft, on their website also refers to them as RP-2E's - as laid out in the link in the post:
Finally, a truly special unit was formed and deployed to Vietnam using Army pilots, Army ASA mission operators on board a Navy P-2V Neptune four-engine aircraft. This Army project was a significant leap in both mission coverage and overall mission capability. As with most of the other platforms, these aircraft were redesignated specifically as RP-2E aircraft with an associated mission project name of CEFLIEN LION or CRAZY CAT.
by
John of Argghhh! on October 25, 2007 10:35 PM
Shipmates,
Well, having flown aboard the P-2V, I can tell you one thing. It always smelled of JP and avgas. There was usually oil somewhere, and getting from the aft to the flight station was always interesting, having to use a crawl space over the wing.
It was a tad noisy, but fun to be aboard.
The P-3 Orion (where most of my 5K hours came) was derived from the Lockheed Electra airliner. The P-3 is a GREAT airframe, very strong, highly maneuverable, with a long range and good weapons load out. However, it is a beast in turbulence, it's wings not flexing like other large planes do.
The S-3 Viking was designed purely as an ASW platform and was later expanded to multi-task as a bomber, recon, and tanker.
respects,
by AW1 Tim on October 26, 2007 11:14 AM
But for serious ASW flying, the Argus.
Cheers
by J.M. Heinrichs on October 26, 2007 12:11 PM
� Dismissed, Soldier!
October 24, 2007
So, what's wrong with this picture?
I don't think we can blame Bill, though I'm working on it.

Nope, it's not a Chinook parked in front of an engineless C-17.
And there's something else funny about it.
Slightly larger pic available here.
Bill can't play, except to provide appropriate misdirection and snark. You snipe-hunters will have to do it on your own.
Ready, set, Google!
Reporting As Ordered, Sir! �
Rear rotor's got an extra blade.
by
Heartless Libertarian on October 24, 2007 5:24 AM
All I can say after seeing this and the last one is ..less is more.
by
Trias on October 24, 2007 5:27 AM
It's a 347. All helicopters are funny so, that isn't much of a clue.
by Fred on October 24, 2007 7:09 AM
Yeah, Fred - but most people don't know about the 347.
And HL only got it half right - both rotors are 4 bladed, though the angle on the pic makes it hard to see that.
I didn't know about the 347 until I saw it on Sunday. If you're used to Chinooks, it's an eyecatcher when you first see it, especially nose-on.
by
John of Argghhh! on October 24, 2007 7:44 AM
I don't think we can blame Bill...
Oh, go ahead. Maybe I'll get a job offer from DARPA.
by
BillT on October 24, 2007 8:06 AM
So am I supposed to believe that rotors on the 347 don't leave shadows?
by homebru on October 24, 2007 8:15 AM
I dunno... all the pics I can find of the 347 seem to have some small jet engine lookin' things on the rear pylon... since this is a nose-on pic, they may be obstructed. Kind of hard to tell.
by NinjaFluff on October 24, 2007 8:19 AM
it looks funny, ergo it must be French.
by MajMike on October 24, 2007 8:26 AM
...all the pics I can find of the 347 seem to have some small jet engine lookin' things on the rear pylon...
They're *turbine* engines, Ninj (tsk -- jet engines on a helicopter -- what a ridiculous idea). Between the pitch of the wings and the stretched fuselage, the engine nacelles are masked. The wings even hide 'em when you're looking from the front quarter.
by
BillT on October 24, 2007 9:14 AM
It looks funny, ergo it must be Barnum and Bailey.
by AFSister on October 24, 2007 10:06 AM
I gotta go with homebru on this one. Not only that but the splotch on the front rotor looks exactly like the splotch on the pictures of the 347 at Fort Rucker at http://www.chinook-helicopter.com/history/aircraft/A_Models/65-07992/65-07992.html
This helicopter looks to be in much better repair and a darker color than the Fort Rucker helicopter while the rotors are the same color.
by NevadaDailySteve on October 24, 2007 11:27 AM
Funny lookin' bugger, ain't she? I remember asking MacGyver what the he!! that was when we first got to Rucker. I love that museum...they have the coolest stuff in there!
by
HomefrontSix on October 24, 2007 1:36 PM
All the proper shadows are there, they're just hard to see.
It *is* the Rucker machine. When they built the new museum and rearranged the external displays, they painted many of the aircraft.
by
John of Argghhh! on October 24, 2007 2:11 PM
Okay, duh, one of a kind. Sometimes it takes awhile. Are the tie down straps as invisible as the shadows? I don't think I'd want to be close to that thing in a windstorm.
by NevadaDailySteve on October 24, 2007 3:08 PM
Tie-down straps? We don't need no steenkeng tie-down straps!
by
John of Argghhh! on October 24, 2007 3:32 PM
It's a hauler, so no weapons were ever mounted to be missing... No evidence of fire, so that means Bill hasn't flown it... Can't see the innards, so we don't know if it's stripped out in the inside...
Wait, is this a trick? Is the "something funny" even about the equipment, or is it more in line of the story behind this beast?
by NinjaFluff on October 24, 2007 4:23 PM
NinjaFluff - to those of us who have been around Chinooks, the 4 bladed rotors are enough - but when you add the wing to it... and reference your first comment - yes, it does have twin jets on the rear pylon, like all Chinooks - though on this particular bird, the engine pods are empty. She's not completely stripped, but she's certainly not anytime-soon airworthy.
by
John of Argghhh! on October 24, 2007 4:27 PM
Ahh, I see now... the standard Chinooks only have three blades, where this one has 4. Now I understand what you meant when you told HL he was half right!
by NinjaFluff on October 24, 2007 4:31 PM
Ahh, I see now... the standard Chinooks only have three blades, where this one has 4. Now I understand what you meant when you told HL he was half right!
by NinjaFluff on October 24, 2007 4:34 PM
Looks like that Chithook tried to grow up and grow wings like a respectable aircraft
by
jim b on October 24, 2007 9:01 PM
Jim B ~ Nah...it was just slumming.
by
HomefrontSix on October 25, 2007 2:06 AM
...So it's the wings, right? :)
by
Casey Tompkins on October 25, 2007 2:53 AM
Are the front rotors supposed to scrape against the top of the wing - or is that just the angle of the picture?
by
Ledger on October 25, 2007 4:04 AM
Ledger, most all hellaflopper rotors are floppy and flappy, and loosely jointed, and this is one of the many things which scare normal people who have to ride in one of those gizmos.
by
Justthisguy on October 25, 2007 9:53 PM
P.s.
I am not a normal person. I would have perfect confidence in Chief Bill's transporting me in a helicopter. I'd like to have a somewhat younger co-pilot along, just in case the Chief dropped dead or something, but, yeah, the fun would be worth the risk.
by
Justthisguy on October 25, 2007 10:01 PM
“Ledger, most all hellaflopper rotors are floppy and flappy…” –Justthisguy
Yep, I can see from the other pictures that the rotor blades do not scrape the wing – it is just the angle of the picture.
I got a few hours behind the cyclic.
by
Ledger on October 26, 2007 7:43 PM
� Dismissed, Soldier!
October 23, 2007
On how the Cheyenne came to be...
So, given what we know about Sugarbuttons Bill, ya gotta think it went down something like this...
Bill and V29 (or someone very much like V29) are sitting at a table in a bar in Enterprise, Alabama, telling war storys. The TINS are flying so fast and hard the air has taken on an ochre tint... kinda like a dust storm, only... messier. Anyway, sitting at a table slightly behind them is a white-shirted, dark-pitted, greasy-haired, taped-glasses pocket-protector wearer with pimples, slipstick clipped to his belt. Yeah, an engineer.
Taking copious notes on his napkin, because he desperately wants to get the lingo down so he can sound like an insider on the flightline. Nope, couldn't be me - I was too young at this point. Besides, I'm not an engineer, however much the rest of the description may, or may not, fit.
Bill cocks his head towards the engineer and in a voce all sotto tells V29 (or someone much like V29) "Watch this!" Raising his voice, and maneuvering his hands to match his narrative, Bill sez, "Yeah, I got this from guys flying for the 11th ACR - they're out flying the border, when this new Rooshian bird comes up to 'em - a big brute of a beast, with wings, cannon, stacked drivers, and get this - it was a pusher! Yep - they hadda look twice, they said - thought the commie bassids were bringing in some kinda turbo-prop or something... but nope - it's a helo awright. Said it took off like a bat outta hell and scared 'em sober for 15 minutes!"
Bill checks out of the corner of his eye and Engineer-boy is scribbling furiously, reaching for his slipstick.
One year later...

It's all Bill's fault, I tell ya.
Oh, sure, this is the *official* story. But which one sounds more real?
Larger image available by clicking here.
Reporting As Ordered, Sir! �
No that is a good looking bird!
by MR T's Haircut on October 23, 2007 6:35 AM
Well it sure wasn't me. Nothing short of an atom bomb could scare me sober! Well one thing could... flying copilot with Sugarbuttons and hear him say, "Watch This". Anytime a pilot with the controls says watch this, cinch up your parachute and if you're in a helimachopper, bend over and kiss it goodbye. Chances are you're in for the ride of your life, literally.
by V29 on October 23, 2007 8:13 AM
15 straight minutes of sobriety for a Blackhorse aviator?? what kind of sap do you take me for!
by MajMike on October 23, 2007 8:13 AM
I *said* it was scary! Geez, MajMike...
by
John of Argghhh! on October 23, 2007 8:24 AM
Your version sounds much more realistic, John. At least, I can totally picture it ;-)
by
Barb on October 23, 2007 10:11 AM
Saw the 8mm gee-whiz-shazam film Lockheed released in '70, and immediately decided a rotating gunner's station was both needlessly complicated and the fastest way to induce vertigo in a mildly-maneuvering aircraft. Plus that reduced the internal support for the pilot's station. When the test ship looped, that confirmed my decision to never get inside one.
I don't *do* inverted well.
BTW, didja get a pic of the dinged tail rotor blade? Got half a dozen decent grognard-type shots when I was down that way before the Pak jaunt. No, I didn't ding it. I was drinking in the club at the time...
by
BillT on October 23, 2007 12:51 PM
I was in high school near Thousand Oaks, CA from '64-'68, about a half hour south of Pt. Mugu Naval base. Out of which occasionally issued one odd/old/interesting flying machine.
The father of two brothers who were classmates of mine was based at Pt. Mugu for a while working on the Man in Sea project.
He got us passes to the Armed Forces day airshow one year, where we got to see two passes by an SR-71, a demo of the Fulton system picking up of a fellow from the ground, and the only time I've seen a pair of sidewinders fired off at a flare shot off from the beach. (Best. Airshow. Ever.)
Some months later, an AH-56 overflew the school, with something or other flying chase with it, can't recall what.
I do remember that the Cheyenne was hands down the strangest sounding, and loudest rotorcraft I have ever in my life heard. The closest thing I can recall to the sound was hearing an A-10 fire its gatling gun, but lower pitched.
by steveH on October 23, 2007 6:51 PM
Ignoring the question of optical corrective measures, it could have been this, or possibly this.
Or this.
Cheers
by J.M. Heinrichs on October 23, 2007 8:47 PM
All true, but was it not the fastest hellaflopper ever built? (Still catchable by lotsa airplanes owned by private citizens, of course.)
by
Justthisguy on October 23, 2007 9:59 PM
This just in, the exact quote from the voice recorder was:
"Hold my beer and watch this!!!!"
Followed by crash noises.
by
jim b on October 23, 2007 10:42 PM
All true, but was it not the fastest hellaflopper ever built?
Nope. The Ka-22 and a couple of DARPA one-offs were faster. Of course, all of them (the Cheyenne included) were composite aircraft, using props to boost their speed past the 200-knot mark. A true helicopter has *huge* aerodynamic problems with the rotor system when its airspeed approaches 200 knots, but Westland designed a set of transonic blades and fitted them to a Lynx in 1986 and the beast actually got up to 217 knots in level flight.
by
BillT on October 24, 2007 8:54 AM
Cheyenne? They shoulda called it the Platypus.
by
Tim on October 24, 2007 9:18 PM
� Dismissed, Soldier!
October 2, 2007
TINS! You Picked It (Again)
Well, the voting was close, in keeping with the spirit of the TINS!, in which *all* the calls are close. And at least nobody said, "Hey, all that stuff happened while you were still in Flight School!"
Nooooo, they *didn't*, and I have the best witnesses a quart of muscatel can buy.
Unfortunately, Real World reared it's misbegotten multiple heads so often I didn't get the chance to write anything for the past two days. *But* -- because I like ya, and you've waited so patiently to see me get my ass shot off yet again something tangible, here's a preview of what Numbah 10 was all about:

Yup, all those pretty colored kindergarten shapes actually *mean* something. I won't tell you exactly what, of course, until I figure out how to keep from getting my ass shot off actually type up the story. I'll give you a couple of hints, though.
The Plan.
Me.
Them.
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Off to Bollimer. With any luck, I'll be there before any of you can wake up, read this, and ask me to retrieve a certain stuffed marmoset...
Reporting As Ordered, Sir! �
Be warned, some of us read on the midwatch.
Now about that stuffed critter...
by bc on October 2, 2007 12:05 AM
Hmmmm, a .51, theres gonna be pucker factor in this story....
by Old Fat Sailor on October 2, 2007 12:42 AM
OFS ~ there's an understatement for ya. Yikes.
by
HomefrontSix on October 2, 2007 1:21 AM
There is not enough room nor enough stale cheetos for the Marmoset(stuffed or not) here in Castle Argghhh!'s Purgatory. Sorry. If Cassie were willing to subsidize upkeep of said Marmoset with comic books and choco-pudding(not slated for the choco-gun, which isn't looking so good since it hasn't been used in a while and Sgt. B hasn't been by to service it), well, then something could be arranged.
by ry on October 2, 2007 4:54 AM
Eeeeewwww - Just the thought of Sgt. B servicing a stale Marmoset, is enough to ruin anyone's day.
by Boquisucio on October 2, 2007 7:51 AM
Boq - that's baa-a-ad. And I'm peeved that you got to post it before I did! Hehehe.
It's the return of Twitchy Bill! Yeeha!
by
Barb on October 2, 2007 8:51 AM
I'm wondering why rusmilitary.com is a banned site at work...
No. Actually, I should have known anything with "military" in the name would be a banned site for a company headquarted in Portland, OR.
frggin libs.
i'm testy today... and thinking about B servicing a stale marmoset put a big smile on my face! Thanks Boq!
by AFSister on October 2, 2007 9:47 AM
AFSis - try this link.
by
John of Argghhh! on October 2, 2007 3:13 PM
� Dismissed, Soldier!
by
CW4BillT
on
Oct 02, 2007
September 28, 2007
Friday Two-Fers
Yesterday, ry walked all over it with golf spikes was kind enough to remind me that I walked all over it with football cleats hadn't yet announced the winner of the new tagline contest from a couple of weeks ago.
Ahem.
According to the rules of the contest, which you *all* read, agreed to, and then consigned to memory -- with the evident exception of ry -- nobody won. There were some really, really, *really* good one-liners that *nobody voted for*. So, it looks like I'm stuck with answering the once-a-month e-mail with "It's an OH-58D" in the subject line. For the time being. And it's all your fault, slackers.
Eeeep! I'm channeling John...
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
However, with me, you always get a shot at redemption. First, for those of you who have been stuck in a two-year time warp remember this one from a little while ago, congratulations on your admirable ability to restrain your curiosity for this length of time. Second, for those of you who are new to the site (and we *all* know who you are, but like you a lot anyway), here's the synopsis:
Every once in a while, regardless of what your particular job happens to be in the military, you hear a comment or a call over the radio that makes you realize how badly it sucks being you at that particular instance and in that particular point in space. One morning, I shook a bunch of them out of the *Ohhh-Boy!* compartment and listed them -- there's a TINS! that accompanies each -- and I asked you to vote for the particular one you figured would bore you the least deemed most interesting.
1. "Ooops!" [#1] -- from a gunship, two seconds after his rocket hit the (flooded) paddy I was just about to land in. Right underneath me. Instant concussive waterfall.
2. "Holy sh*t! They said Charlie didn't have any flak down here! One-Five, are any of you guys still alive in there?"
3. "Ooops!" [#2] -- from a different gunship, one nanosecond before my crewchief screamed that a rocket had just passed between our right skid and the belly of the aircraft.
4. "Hey, One-Five, you look like Niagara Falls. I thought those fuel cells were supposed to be self-sealing."
5. "Aaaaah! One-Five's dead!" -- from my copilot, right after I took a direct hit in the chicken plate that slammed me flailing off the controls while we were at flat pitch in an LZ. I thought I was dead and his squeak didn't do anything to lessen my depression.
6. "Sir? The world's biggest tracer just came offa Nui Coto an' -- geez, it's following us!" -- my introduction to the game of helicopter vs. heat-seeking missile. I won. Barely.
7. "Chalk Four, you've still got a tailboom. Couldn't say for how much longer, though."
8. "The SEALs are ready for pickup, sir. Along with about a platoon of VC on the other side of the treeline they're in."
9. "Sector TOC wants you to check out a possible 37mm site west of Nui Hon Soc. The others they sent there never called in."
10. "Hey, One-Five -- uhh, ya do know yer on fire, don't ya?"
Number 6 won. 'Fess up. You guys wanted to see if I really *did* get out of these things alive, didn't you...
However, there are still nine more to go, each one a bigger yawner than the last leading to a small vignette of a TINS! Pick a number and pop it into the comments -- the biggest vote-getter gets posted. And remember, one legit addy,
*glowering at a certain Denizenne blogtwin with multiple persona disorder*
one legit vote.
And then we'll do it again. And again, and again, and again until I figure you're ready to take on the sidebar -- again.
Two-Niner's allowed to pass, although he'll probably pop in to snark, because he either made some of the calls or knows the story already.
He *thinks* so, anyway.
Heh -- you don't think I only have *nine* stories left, do ya?
Reporting As Ordered, Sir! �
Yeah, I walked all over it. And got a rapping of my knuckles by Cassie for my efforts too. I'd swear that woman was a Catholic School Nun if I didn't already know better. (Maybe I shouldn't say that in this crowd. Who knows what mind in the gutter comment will be made next.)
And I wouldn't mind hearing Oooops#1.
by ry on September 28, 2007 7:33 AM
*sigh*
I have FAILED MY TWIN! Not ONE VOTE? For ANY OF THEM?
I demand a recount! And I vote for HF6's "the ground repels them" comment. Lurv that one.
As for a new TINS story, I promise to play by the rules for ONCE in my life and will only vote one time. For #8. After all, who wouldn't love a story that involves SEALs?
by AFSister on September 28, 2007 8:05 AM
Who knows what mind in the gutter comment will be made next
With this crowd? Not a one.
After all, who wouldn't love a story that involves SEALs?
Me. For about five hours -- uhhh -- *minutes*, anyway.
Does anyone know where the love of God goes
When sustained automatic weapons fire turns the minutes to hours?
Sorry 'bout that, Gord-O.
by
BillT on September 28, 2007 9:26 AM
The love of God is concentrated in the efforts of your Guardian Angels... the reason you are here to *relate* the TINS.
Geez, Bill, that was an easy one.
by
John of Argghhh! on September 28, 2007 9:28 AM
I, for one, vote for #10. Fire ALWAYS makes for a good story, and it's even better if someone else has to inform you about it!
by NinjaFluff on September 28, 2007 9:34 AM
I vote for #6. I wanna see if you survive. And I *know* you have more than nine stories left -- yer just waiting for the statute of limitations to expire on the rest.
by
bad cat robot on September 28, 2007 9:38 AM
Speaking of Numbah 6 - I call Beauchamp on you. I don't believe your Crew Chief used the word, "Geez" you fabulist!
by
John of Argghhh! on September 28, 2007 9:45 AM
One of the limitations on the R-44 heliothwopter is max altitude of 9000 AGL. The book states this because in case of fire you have a five minute firewall, and above 9000 it will take you longer than that to autorotate to a landing. That's got to be a long 5 minutes...
I want to hear #10!
by
Pogue on September 28, 2007 9:49 AM
Fire ALWAYS makes for a good story
[Memo to self: TINS!-bait pulls NinjaFluff out from the draperies -- evidently schools with the other Denizennes when in stealth mode]
Aaaand BCR chimes in with a vote for Number Six. Won't she be surprised...
I don't believe your Crew Chief used the word, "Geez" you fabulist!
He most certainly did. Granted, it was the polysyllabic version, but it really-truly *started* with "Geez"...
...in case of fire you have a five minute firewall...
Betcha you could get a Robinson on the ground *real* fast if the fire started on the wrong side of the wall, though...
by
BillT on September 28, 2007 10:29 AM
*giggles as BCR*
lolololol
by AFSister on September 28, 2007 10:34 AM
I still want to hear them all. But I will echo NinjaFluff's vote for #10, which was one of my choices wayyyyy back when.
*grin*
by
Barb on September 28, 2007 10:43 AM
37mm HE vs Bell spam-can! #9's gotta be good!
by Neffi on September 28, 2007 11:50 AM
#6.
... to see if the story has been 'adjusted' in the past several years.
Cheers
by J.M. Heinrichs on September 28, 2007 12:03 PM
*giggles as BCR*
Not because you've fixed the death ray, I hope? You'll still chortle as WK, right?
... to see if the story has been 'adjusted' in the past several years.
Nope. Still there, warts and all. And I still lived. And the crewchief still said the G-Rated versio(u)n of what he really said.
by
BillT on September 28, 2007 1:02 PM
[Memo to self: TINS!-bait pulls NinjaFluff out from the draperies -- evidently schools with the other Denizennes when in stealth mode]
Nah... I just don't comment when I have nothing to add to the conversation. "Better they think you're a fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt!"
That being said... I think I heard about a whole bunch more votes for #10 somewhere around here... *grin*
by Ninjafluff on September 28, 2007 1:21 PM
Fiends.
by
BillT on September 28, 2007 1:46 PM
Or you could always give your side of this story ...
by
bad cat robot on September 28, 2007 1:58 PM
I *did*:
A foul canard.
I get up at 0530, *not* 0700. And the spider had a satchel charge...
See? Vindication.
by
BillT on September 28, 2007 2:54 PM
And these days, I get up at 0415. Gaby got hold of a sour vole last week and her GI tract has been in revolt ever since.
If I had it to do over again, I would've gone for the rancher with the drainage hole in the kitchen floor...
by
BillT on September 28, 2007 3:00 PM
First read and damn near laughed my ass off... Having done a few of those myself, I've got to vote for #9.
by
Old NFO on September 28, 2007 9:21 PM
Poor little pup - she just needs to spend quality time with Bigfoot all by her little self ;-)
by
Barb on September 28, 2007 11:29 PM
...she just needs to spend quality time with Bigfoot all by her little self.
If you mean getting ear-chin skritches whenever she takes a break from trying to tackle Scout, jumping over Jake (while he's standing up) and boxing with Muffy the Maleficent, that -- plus leaping onto my lap whenever I sit down -- is the normal drill. She's turning into WereKitty...
by
BillT on September 29, 2007 12:06 PM
Number 9, please.
Although number 10 sounds fascinating, don't the Vietnamese consider that number unlucky? Maybe he should call that one "10a" "10+1"... ;)
by
Casey Tompkins on September 30, 2007 1:01 PM
Not unlucky, just the pits, as in "Choi oi, Numbah Ten."
Or, if it's really, *really* super-bad, "Choi-duc oi, sinh loi, Numbah Ten Thousand!"
by
BillT on September 30, 2007 2:18 PM
� Dismissed, Soldier!
by
CW4BillT
on
Sep 28, 2007
September 3, 2007
Tagline Contest Redux
Okayyyy, the tagline contest generated more responses than I figured, but it won’t be a genuine contest until The Winnah is picked.
Unlike those "contests" at -- ahem -- some *other* sites.
So, I figure our weekenders (technically, it's still the weekend) deserve a shot at it, too. Here’s the deal.
A. Go back to the link in the first sentence (you know, the one you ignored in your hurry to see what this is all about) and get the gist of what I’m hoping to achieve.
B. Snarken up your #2 posting finger and get ready to play.
You can either vote for one of the previous entries (by number) or submit one of your own. Or, you can score major points by picking one of my brilliant gems modest suggestions.
Ready? Go!
From Denizenne BlogTwin and perennial favorite (and not just in caption contests) AFSister comes this:
1. Aw, come on, Bill! I LIKE IT!
BlogNeighbor (and part-time blonde) Cassandra came up with:
2. [tapping foot]...
Mmmmmm – I predict I'll have to put Damage Control on Immediate Response status when / if she gets here.
We have two entries from the Castle’s Mistress of the Snark, Bad Cat Robot:
3. Ignoring the law of gravity since 1857!
4. If you throw yourself at the ground and miss really fast, you might be in a helicopter.
Chiming in from the Land of Backwards Seasons is trias with:
5. Bill's new copter with its Advanced Bill Correction Device (ABCD). This fantastic marvel of engineering automatically adjusts helium levels to make the CG move around wildly thereby providing Bill with normal operating conditions. AI could, unfortunately, not be included in the extensive feature list due to it's propensity to eject before takeoff.
Journalist NevadaDailySteve proves that the MinisculeStreamMedia does, indeed, have a sense of humor (a small one – but a sense of humor, nonetheless)
6. If you build it, some idiot will fly it.
Pat has been weeding in his DVD collection:
7. That's not a TINS, this is a TINS!
John, as usual, hit the wrong comment box – the one he obviously wanted concerned somebody’s guess about the Whatziss:
8. BWA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA!
Castle newbie NinjaFluff has a twofer, too, fer ya...too...fer...*whap!* Owwww!:
You guys are great... This is why I love this site so much!
Okay, so that *wasn’t* one of her suggestions, but I'll take any compliment that staggers into the area. Geez, can’t I throw myself a bone, here?
9. Chief Sugarbuttons... flying the helicopters American's won't!
10. Bill, the Rotorhead - STILL flying faster than his Guardian Angel!
*sigh* Now I know who's been hounding me to join the Carborundum Fan Club...
Fellow GuardBud Pogue whaps my aged snoot with:
11. Four decades of combat operations.
Ymarsaker managed to avoid the firewall between Cassie’s place and the Castle:
12. Bill needs a helicopter to escape Cass's wrath.
Okay, he’s not *that* funny, but he thinks *I’m* funny and since he’s probably smart enough to take me two falls out of three in brain wrestling, I’m hedging my bets.
And perennial favorite in her own right (and another BlogNeighbor and demi-Denizenne), HomefrontSix tosses out:
13. Helicopters Don't Fly: They're So Ugly the Ground Repels Them.
Which I choose to take as a compliment, because I fall down a lot and have yet to miss the ground.
And -- a new record. I only got bumped offline by *two* power failures during the composition of this po
Reporting As Ordered, Sir! �
If you want something a touch risque, well, a few years back I was reading a discussion thread on the relative merits of the fixed-wing and rotary-wing methods of temporarily defying gravity. In said thread, a fixed-wing devotee commented:
"Getting airborne by screwing yourself into the sky is an unnatural act."
Myself, I would suggest:
"You can't do THAT in a helicopter .... can you?!?"
Or an old standby for anyone lucky enough to have a job he/she enjoys:
"Can you believe they pay me to do this?"
by wolfwalker on September 3, 2007 8:20 AM
WW - We prefer to think of it as beating the air into submission. And you'd be surprised what you can do in a helicopter.
Probably wouldn't be surprised at the things you can't or shouldn't though...
by
BillT on September 3, 2007 9:02 AM
Oh, geez -- you were talking about *flying* in them. I thought--
Never mind...
by
BillT on September 3, 2007 9:05 AM
Perhaps I'll have a suggestion after you show me some of the things you aren't supposed to do in a helicopter.
by
Maggie on September 3, 2007 10:34 AM
"Always spinning; sometimes controlled."
"I never spin; I gyrate, I whirl, I pirouette."
"Beating the air into submission, in more ways than one."
"Auto rotation: it's not just another spin."
"Formation flying, the individual way."
Cheers
by J.M. Heinrichs on September 3, 2007 11:39 AM
The extra bit on top is for the pilot's ego to be stored. Otherwise his head would be too big for the cockpit!
by V29 on September 3, 2007 1:02 PM
V29 shoots, he scores!
by
John of Argghhh! on September 3, 2007 4:59 PM
The unfortunate result of a tank that was designed by a government commitee and built by a lowest bidder whose staff couldn't read English or follow the plans.
by Murray on September 3, 2007 5:24 PM
Swing-wing aviation: we swash plates for a living!
by Neffi on September 3, 2007 5:44 PM
or...
Life is Cyclic; Ups and Downs But With Forward Progress Always
by Neffi on September 3, 2007 5:51 PM
OK, here’s a slightly obscure one, and I don’t know if the last bit applies.
SugarButtons, beating the air into submission since Christ was a corporal. TINS, fiddly bits, and so, so much more. And somewhere, a nun’s ears are burning...
by Blackhawk on September 3, 2007 5:58 PM
SNAKES! They're Not Just For Breakfast Anymore!
(with an appropriate change of pic, natch)
by Neffi on September 3, 2007 6:08 PM
*grin*
You *KNOW* I like it.. perhaps another "name it" contest should be "What does Sis like?"
hehe
btw... I'm pretty partial to the cartoon Boq 'shopped for ya!
by AFSister on September 3, 2007 10:07 PM
Wow...I've moved up to demi-Denizenne. I'm FLATTERED!!!
I would say that anything that screws its way into the sky flies according to unnatural principals. Just another take on beating the air into submission.
by
HomefrontSix on September 4, 2007 10:06 PM
Don't get too excited, HF6. Demi-Denizennes have to dust ry's comic book collection and chaperone Maggie during pub-crawls. The pay is lousy, but you get to read the comic books...
by
BillT on September 4, 2007 10:54 PM
Well, I've already chaperoned Maggie during a pub crawl (a la the infamous flashing!) so I'm 1/2 way there! Woohoo!
by
HomefrontSix on September 5, 2007 3:09 AM
� Dismissed, Soldier!
by
CW4BillT
on
Sep 03, 2007
August 28, 2007
A New Contest
Relax, Cassie -- it's *not* a caption contest (mmmm, technically, it might be -- but it's not the one she's gonna damage me for).
Whatzis helicopter and why does it have a balloon on top?
Every month or so, I get an e-gram with the correct answer. OH-58D. Kiowa *gag!* Warrior.
Unfortunately, it's not supposed to be a serious question. Y'see, a couple of years back, when John first dragged me squalling and scratching into this mess suggested I start doing actual posts, rather than sending his spam filters into overload mode merely e-mailing him vignettes, he asked me what I wanted above my sidebar pic.
And he attached a jaypeg of a KW. If I hadn't thought he was kidding (I've never even been off the ground in one), I never would have replied with the phrase
Whatzis helicopter and why does it have a balloon on top?
because it's sort of an "in" joke in the fling-wing community, to wit -- "The aircraft's got such a high c.g. [translation -- it's so topheavy] it needs helium in the MMS to keep it from rolling over on the helipad."
If I'd known he was so freakin' Machiavellian serious, I would have come up with a cooler meme. Something like,
Proof that there *are* old, bold aviators! Ummm -- *old* ones, anyway...
Soooooo, that's the contest -- "Give Bill a new sidebar blurb." Winner gets brag rights and a free Urdu pronunciation lesson *or* a hi-res pic of a Cobra you can PhotoShop your face into and impress your friends, especially if they think you've never been in the Pakistani Army.
Changing the pic out will be the object of a future contest.
*waving hiya to Cassie*
Meantime, go for it!
Reporting As Ordered, Sir! �
Aw, come on, Bill! I LIKE IT!
by AFSister on August 28, 2007 6:12 AM
*That* is why we need you for the comment parties.
Meantime, get back on subject...
by
BillT on August 28, 2007 6:18 AM
And hang around if Cassie shows up with a heating pad on her throwing arm, Twin. I might *need* the Red Cross...
Absorbing sexual harassment so you don't have to!
by
BillT on August 28, 2007 6:28 AM
[tapping foot]...
by
Cassandra on August 28, 2007 6:38 AM
[quickly tosses the trivet to divert Cassie's attention (she's easy that way)]
BTW, newbies (or even not-so-newbies, it's been a while since the trivet was tossed around here)...
Don't let all this insidery-blog-joke stuff deter you.
Jump in. Participate. *That's* how you become a Denizen/ne! We won't scorn you for not knowing all the inside jokes - like the trivet that used to hang over the lintel at Cassie's joint - speaking of Cassie's joint - don't ask about *why* that marmoset is so scared. Just, well, let's just say Cassie has a *history* with marmosets that hasn't been good. For marmosets.
Really.
Get with it, people! The man needs taglines!!
by
John of Argghhh! on August 28, 2007 7:09 AM
Okay, I'll play ...
"Ignoring the law of gravity since 1857!"
"If you throw yourself at the ground and miss really fast, you might be in a helicopter."
by
bad cat robot on August 28, 2007 8:07 AM
One day i'll get half these injokes, then my conversion to true insanity will be complete.
taglines? for that pic? hmm?
Bills new copter with its Advanced Bill Correction Device (ABCD). This fantastic marvel of engineering automatically adjusts helium levels to make the CG move around wildly thereby providing Bill with normal operating conditions. AI could, unfortunately, not be included in the extensive feature list due to it's propensity to eject before takeoff.
Is suggesting a new pic a faux pas?
by Trias on August 28, 2007 8:14 AM
Certainly not, Trias - Bill alluded to a new pic in the future - so, suggest away!
by
John of Argghhh! on August 28, 2007 8:18 AM
that's the way, uh huh uh huh, I LIKE IT, uh huh uh huh....
OK all you Photoshop Jockies out there... I have a mission for you.
Take Twitchy Bill's picture, coat the bird with candy dots, add some feeee-male passengers and a title bar "Chief SugarButtons and the SugarButtons Brigade".
by AFSister on August 28, 2007 8:36 AM
Kiowa airlines motto: "If you build it, some idiot will fly it."
I hesitate to list my only other motto, it might run afoul of "Da Rulez" but it could be paraphrased as "I have big spheres, you have big spheres, we all have big spheres, but I have the biggest spheres of all."
by
NevadaDailySteve on August 28, 2007 9:00 AM
i'm kinda partial towards that part about "fiddly bits flying in formation".
kinda sez it all...
by MajMike on August 28, 2007 9:22 AM
(Channeling Mick Dundee) "That's not a TINS, this is a TINS"
by Pat on August 28, 2007 10:13 AM
And he attached a jaypeg of a KW. If I hadn't thought he was kidding (I've never even been off the ground in one)
PHEW!
I hadda read that twice just to make sure it said 'KW' and not 'WK'. As far as I know, you've never been off the ground in WK either. I'm pretty sure I would have remembered that.
by WereKitten on August 28, 2007 10:34 AM
Well WK - How 'bout THIS fiddy bit.
by Boquisucio on August 28, 2007 11:04 AM
BWA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA!
by
John of Argghhh! on August 28, 2007 11:32 AM
Don't let all this insidery-blog-joke stuff deter you.
All the inter-blog-joke stuff as well.
I might *need* the Red Cross...
Either that or you'll be on the Cross.
by Ymarsakar on August 28, 2007 12:11 PM
Don't let all this insidery-blog-joke stuff deter you.
All the inter-blog-joke stuff as well.
I might *need* the Red Cross...
Either that or you'll be on the Cross.
by ymarsakar on August 28, 2007 12:14 PM
ohhhhh my... ymarsaker, you have *no* idea how much that made me laugh!
You see... I'm in the Red Cross. SO. If SugarButtons is ON the cross... I have a lot of 'splainin to do!
Boq... that's AWESOME.... Now, if we can only make that blonde a brunette! With red highlights of course.
by AFSister on August 28, 2007 12:41 PM
You guys are great... This is why I love this site so much!
Playing off of AFSister's suggestion, how about "Chief Sugarbuttons... flying the helicopters American's won't!"
Or how about "Bill, the Rotorhead - STILL flying faster than his Guardian Angel!"
by NinjaFluff on August 28, 2007 4:24 PM
The balloon is on the top cause putting it on the bottom created a rocky situation at best.
I prefer to think of it as a Flying Bullet Magnet.
by
jim b on August 28, 2007 4:43 PM
...flying the helicopters Americans won't!
Considering the Army sent the last flyable Cobras up to jim b's bailiwick in 2001, you're closer than you realize, NinjaFluff.
Dodging hostile fire semisuccessfully since 1969!
by
BillT on August 28, 2007 5:15 PM
How about "Four decades of combat operations."
by
Pogue on August 28, 2007 7:24 PM
How about Bill needs a helicopter to escape Cass's wrath.
by
Ymarsakar on August 28, 2007 7:56 PM
Bill - do you have *any* idea where Jim B lives?
Methinks... not. You've got him confoozled with someone else, I'm guessing.
by
John of Argghhh! on August 28, 2007 8:49 PM
Bill - do you have *any* idea where Jim B lives?
He *used* to hang around Wheeler-Sack AAF, but it's been a while. Short-term memory loss and all that.
And I've just *begun* to rummage through the Dufflebag of Useful Excuses...
by
BillT on August 28, 2007 9:05 PM
Look up, Wyandotte County.
Or, Dennis Moore.
;^)
by
John of Argghhh! on August 28, 2007 10:13 PM
You see... I'm in the Red Cross. SO. If SugarButtons is ON the cross... I have a lot of 'splainin to do!
That's one way to look at it ; )
by
Ymarsakar on August 28, 2007 10:28 PM
According to Grim, there are two hundred and thirty two ways of looking at it...
by
BillT on August 28, 2007 10:53 PM
Look up, Wyandotte County.
Or, Dennis Moore.
Jim B is John Cleese?
Uses for Lupins
* Sit on them
* Sleep in them
* Feed the cat them
* Burn them
* Wear them
* Eat them
Ways to Cook Lupins
* Lupin Soup
* Roast Lupin
* Steamed Lupin
* Braised Lupin in Lupin Sauce
* Lupin in the Basket with Sauteed Lupins
* Lupin Meringue Pie
* Lupin Sorbet
by
BillT on August 28, 2007 11:01 PM
You could always go with the old faithful statement, So Ugly the ground repels them.
And I'm not sure which is funnier-looking...the KW or the 'Hook...it's a toss up.
by
HomefrontSix on August 29, 2007 3:37 PM
KW. Of course, I'm prejudiced. The Flyboys let my branch spend all the money to develop the thing, then stole it from us.
by
John of Argghhh! on August 29, 2007 5:21 PM
Hey, *you* were the ones whining about not being able to use the Copperhead because you couldn't get a parabolic arc out of a laser...
by
BillT on August 29, 2007 10:00 PM
So Ugly the ground repels them.
Are you saying the reason I fall down a lot is because I'm *cute*?
by
BillT on August 29, 2007 10:03 PM
� Dismissed, Soldier!
by
CW4BillT
on
Aug 28, 2007
June 27, 2006
WHATZISS "DNOUEMENT" STUFF?
Okay, SangerM gets the brag. He undoubtedly remembers looking down at it on more than one occasion...
It's the skid toe shoe for Hubert.

MajMike was savvy enough to guess that Sanger knew what he was talking about, but he muffed the location. Nope, not vegetation-dings, either, John. The chipped areas are from gravel 'n' stuff kicked up by the rotorwash in "unimproved" LZs (never did see an "improved" LZ, except the hot ones that got worked over by suppressive fires) and the abrasions (red circle) are from contact with the towbar during ground-handling. The towbar attaching ring is on the inside of the skid, just aft of the skid shoe and the bar angles up when it's hooked to a tug; hence, the abraded area is always on the side facing toward the fuselage. In this case, the fuselage was to the right, so the toe shoe was on the left. Elementary, my dear Mikey.
A little tip-toe on the skid-toe, eh, AFSis? Makes getting in-and-out of a Huey a whole bunch easier than a Cobra...
Reporting As Ordered, Sir! �
*snerk*
Yes... but I look pretty good sitting in that cockpit, eh? I was amazed at how small it was. Are you *sure* you have a 27" zipper?
by AFSister on June 27, 2006 12:45 PM
Dang!, but that's a big grin, AFS! You tryin' to imitate that Norma Jean Baker person, or what? (Actually, I think you do it better than she did; hers always looked kind of exaggerated, aware of the camera, etc.) You look more like a normal regular good-lookin' woman.
by
Justthisguy on June 27, 2006 5:28 PM
nyah, nyah, nyah... I an't always smart, but somtimes, I'm downright brilant...
And I've seen 'er in person, and that pic don't do justice...
nyah, nyah, nyah
by
SangerM on June 27, 2006 8:30 PM
Why, Sanger, that is *so* unbecoming!
8^D
by
John of Argghhh! on June 27, 2006 8:34 PM
oh jeez.. you guys are MAKING ME BLUSH!
Thank you for the compliments.
by AFSister on June 27, 2006 10:37 PM
I was amazed at how small it was.
That's because the fuselage is only 36" wide. Stick control linkages, weapons controllers, wire bundles, avionics and an air-conditioned, armored seat and the available space on the *inside* gets reduced. And if you think your anatomy was crowded with the canopy door *open*...
Are you *sure* you have a 27" zipper?
*snicker* Ask FbL. Or Brab, or BCR, or ALa, or AB. The zipper (and the protected contents) are of a vertical orientation. Pah-lenty of room.
by
cw4(ret)billt on June 28, 2006 10:00 AM
� Dismissed, Soldier!
by
CW4BillT
on
Jun 27, 2006
Whatziss, indeed...
Whatziss? sez John. And, after a torrent of guesses (Its the nano-black hole that ry installed in the garderobe to to keep from having a Kevin moment. Its an aerial view of Tehran on the Day After. Et cetera), the dnouement.
Nope, its the ventilation hole in the spike of an uhlan's pikelhaub from the Franco-Prussian War. Snerk.
*sigh.* But do *I* post a picture like this

and say, Whatziss?
Nope. Not I. You guys get to see the *entirety* of the whatziss.

Yup, thats the whole thing.
And it even comes with clues--you may not have consciously absorbed the information, but if you saw The Green Berets, or Hamburger Hill, or We Were Soldiers Once or even Cartoon --uhhhhh--Platoon, you should be able to dredge the image up through the neuron net.
Ummmm--and it's been cleaned up. A *lot*...
Heh.
[Apropos of Bill's comment - it could be here. Or here. Or several other places. If you are new to the Castle, you should *definitely* click the first link. Actually, you should click through and read *both*. -The Armorer]
Reporting As Ordered, Sir! �
On the one hand i think urinal and on the other i think bottle opener.
by
Trias on June 27, 2006 2:13 AM
Skid tip?
by
SangerM on June 27, 2006 5:08 AM
Trias - On the one hand i think urinal and on the other i think bottle opener.
But would you consider those to be mutually exclusive uses? And why would a bottle opener need to be cleaned up (I'm downright *careful* about cap-popping)?
Sanger! I figured something OD would get you out from behind the tapestries!
by
cw4(ret)billt on June 27, 2006 5:45 AM
"And it even comes with clues--you may not have consciously absorbed the information, but if you saw The Green Berets, or Hamburger Hill, or We Were Soldiers Once or even Cartoon --uhhhhh--Platoon, you should be able to dredge the image up through the neuron net."
No one, NO ONE has seen the movie "The Green Berets" more than I have. I saw the sentence above and thought "Finally! Here's one that the *non* weapon girl might have a shot at!"
But...........no. LOL
by
Maggie on June 27, 2006 5:57 AM
Maggie - But isn't the *non* weapon girl taking a shot somewhat of an oxymoron? Hmmmmm--considering your prowess with the shillelagh...
by
cw4(ret)billt on June 27, 2006 6:17 AM
Hey! I posted a complete pic of the item in question... it was the *clues* that were incomplete.
And taking an obscure part from something and showing the whole thing is *exactly* something I would do, so get off yer high horse there boyo.
Though I haven't a clue yet meself what that is.
by
John of Argghhh! on June 27, 2006 6:45 AM
Codpiece!
For a small but muscular helicopter- er - person!
Cheers
by J.M. Heinrichs on June 27, 2006 6:51 AM
Wellllll, John, I wouldn't call showing a prong-and-a-half of a trench maul posting the whole thing. But then, that's just me.
JMH - For a small but muscular helicopter- er - person! Small? It's a foot long and--oh, right. That 27" zipper thang.
Howsomever, since it's metal, badly chipped and a tad clunky, folks might think "Armor" rather than "Aviation"--but then, *John* might say it was an over-large codpiece for a tanker-person. *I* won't, though.
Cheers!
by
cw4(ret)billt on June 27, 2006 7:17 AM
Much overlarge for a tanker.