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This just in -

I have a german birth certificate. And a US Department of State-issued Certificate of Naturalization.

I will not be renouncing my foreign citizenship.

Mainly because the Germans don't recognize birthright citizenship, except as that right descends through the maternal line. So they don't consider me a citizen.

It just seemed germane to get this out in the open today.

Because, based on the news, I knew you all cared deeply about things like this.

That is all.


I always suspected you of being a closet sauerkraut eater........

As per the news, most of the Canadian left considers Calgary and Alberta to be part of the US anyways, so they aren't sure why he would renounce it. At least his bio is far simpler than the one and he didn’t claim to be a foreign student to get discount rates….


I believe that the U.S. document that you have is a Consular Report of Birth Abroad of a U.S. Citizen (CBRA), Form FS-240. You are not a naturalized citizen, but a citizen at birth and therefore a natural born citizen. I will not, however, be voting for you as President of the U.S. as Beth's service on the school board is much more useful to society, and we don't need both of you in politics.

Centurion - I have *both* of those documents.

Trust me, I know my paperwork in that regard.
 Reminds me of when to much of my uncle's surprise, he discovered that he was *still* a Potuguese Citizen; and that his U.S. Citizenship was null and void.  Nevermind that he held a U.S. Passport, and voted many times before.

He discovered this SNAFU  just by accident back in the 80's, and took him mad scramblings with lawyers, affidavits, and paperwork to straighten the mess up.
The cert of naturalization is interesting. I knew of few people that had been born in Germany, but were not "naturalized" as both parents were US Citizens. I don't disbelieve you, I'm just curious why someone would have found it necessary to issue a cert of Naturalization.
Aha! Somehow I suspected you had a Portagee connection, Boq. I have been reading a lot lately on Sarah Hoyt's blog (her maiden name is D'Almeida) and she writes a lot about the strange weirdness which is Portugal, a special case among nation-states. She herself admits to being a special case even among Portagees.  She's a Voluntary American; could barely wait to move here and get naturalized.  She hates commies with incandescent passion, having seen what they did to her native land. When she's not being a libertarian, she's a fellow reactionary; she voted the straight Monarchist ticket in the only Portuguese election she voted in.
Well you know JTG, my mother's side are The Saldañas.  And while it´s true that they do have Portuguese roots, these were severed during the 1600´s, when politics forced them to the Spanish side of  the border.

My uncle´s connection to Portugal, you can blame to a small accident in history called The Blitzkrieg.  My Rican Grandfather, brought himself a Belgian Bride, home as a war souvenir.  He was studying in Brussels prior to the war, and when the Teutonic Hordes swept through Flanders, he and my grandma´s family joined the mass of refugees pouring south.

The stories they used to have about that period!

To make a long story short, when the French capitulated , they found themselves in Vichy territory.  Grandma´s family returned back to Brussels, and Gramps and Grandma kept on moving to south and on to Portugal.  There, while waiting for Grandma´s entry visa into the U.S., Uncle Yves was born.  They made it into New York Harbor. by the skin of their teeth, braving a lone cargo ship through U-Boat infested waters on November ´41.  And from there a steamship to San Juan.  Gramps Gra´mma and Baby Yves.

Coda: On the return leg, that cargo ship was torpedoed and sunk.
 But you may be right afterall, JTG.  I am a Lussophile, and fluent in Portuguese.  Whether it´s Fado from Lisboa or Samba from Rio, I love both lands.

John:  I would tend to agree with lvncernturian above when it comes to what documents you have (FS-240 vs. naturalization certificate) but then I expect you don't have any trouble reading the big print at the top of the document.

You might, however, double-check who issued it.  Certificates of Naturalization are issued by USCIS nowadays (and INS before) rather than DOS.  It's confusing to me why you would have been naturalized rather than given a Certificate of Citizenship (by DOS).

BTW, I've got one of those German birth certificates myself.  Nowadays it's a lot easier to parlay one of those into German citizenship; but prior to their changing the law (1993? ) it was much harder.

One of the things that Americans have trouble wrapping their brains around is that the 14th Amendment isn't international law; i.e., a birth certificate doesn't automatically certify birthright citizenship in the country of issuance.

Consular Report of Birth Abroad (daughter, one ea., born in Nederlands)...I second the motion.
Boq, Sarah's family are Decayed Nobility from the Oporto region and look down on those common folks from the Lisbon area. Yeah, in Portugal the Confederate-type folks are from the North. Yup, it is unlike all other countries.

Oh, she admits to being a mutt, like all Portagees.  She thinks she has some Roman, some Viking, some Basque, some Alpine, some African, some English, some Jew (she comes from a long line of Conversos and is both a Christian and a Jewess according to what side of the bed she got up on that day)  in her. Not to mention prolly a bit more Neanderthal than the usual 3-5% most of us have. We should have paid her to move here and become a citizen.