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Lindsey Stone, Epic Facebook Fail [Updated]

Lindsey Stone, twit. 
From what I’ve gleaned out of all this, she took a pic of herself being an ass. As much a simulated ass as anything, since I don’t believe she was actually yelling, there were no witnesses (at least none that I’m aware of) to it other than her buddy who took the picture.

And then she posted it on Facebook, providing an textbook example of Stupid Social Media Tricks 101 and found out that having your fifteen minutes of fame isn't always a fun thing.

It’s not like the she did it during guardmount.  She'd probably have gotten buttstroked.

I know, it’s Arlington. I know some people buried there too.  And I have some immediate family buried in a national cemetery, so it's not like I don't have skin in this game.

And I suspect she’s really sorry she posted the pic, but aside from posting the pic on Facebook and discovering how that works, even if you have your stuff locked down pretty tightly, I bet she's not the first shallow twit to goof like that near one of those signs.

I think the point has been made already in regard to her behavior and judgement, and she’s learned something about social media, too.

But I just can’t get excited about trashing her employer, nor getting her fired.

I’m fine with shaming the daylights out of her.

Yellow card her (which has clearly been done) and if I were her boss I would tell her (and other employees) “Do that shite again, yer frickin’ toast.”

Clearly, however, mileage varies, and I’m a well-known squish.

Update:  Lindsey Stone  tries to salvage her reputation and keep her job, and so apologizes... via Carrie Costantini.


"We sincerely apologize for all the pain we have caused by posting the picture we took in Washington DC on Facebook. While posted on a public forum, the picture was intended only for our own amusement. We never meant any disrespect to any of the people nationwide who have served this country and defended our freedom so valiantly. It was meant merely as a visual pun, intending to depict the exact opposite of what the sign said, and had absolutely nothing to do with the location it was taken or the people represented there. We never meant to cause any harm or disrespect to anyone, particularly our men and women in uniform. We realize it was in incredibly poor taste, and are deeply sorry for the offense we have caused.

We also sincerely apologize to LIFE, Inc. It is an amazing organization that provides invaluable services to adults with learning and developmental disabilities. We are beyond remorseful that our actions have caused them such undue public scrutiny. The disrespect implied by our picture has nothing at all to do with LIFE’s mission statement or values. We regret having caused any suffering to the staff members, residents, families and friends.

Again, we very sincerely apologize to everyone who took offense to the photo. We realize that it was an ignorant and distasteful thing for us to do, but we truly meant no harm. We are deeply sorry."
As Paul Szoldra notes: "I don't always apologize for being a disrespectful douche, but when I do, I do it because the entire internet hates me."

I'm good with this.


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Anyone care to wager for whom this bozette voted in the recent electoral debacle... if indeed she took the time to vote at all?
 
Yeah... that's NOT an apology.  That's an "I'm sorry you were offended" excuse and a "sorry I got caught".  I'm going to fisk this and show what an actual apology should look like:

"We sincerely apologize for all the pain we have caused by posting posing for and taking the picture we took in Washington DC and posted on Facebook. While posted on a public forum, the picture was intended only for our own amusement. We never meant any apologize for the disrespect to any of the we showed to people nationwide who have served this country and defended our freedom so valiantly. It was meant merely as a visual pun, intending to depict the exact opposite of what the sign said, and had absolutely nothing to do with the location it was taken or the people represented there. We never meant to cause any harm or disrespect to anyone, particularly our men and women in uniform. We realize it was in incredibly poor taste, and are deeply sorry for the offense we have caused.

We also sincerely apologize to LIFE, Inc. It is an amazing organization that provides invaluable services to adults with learning and developmental disabilities. We are beyond remorseful that our actions have caused them such undue public scrutiny. The disrespect implied by that we showed with our picture has nothing at all to do with LIFE’s mission statement or values. We regret having caused any suffering to the staff members, residents, families and friends.

Again, we very sincerely apologize to everyone who took offense to the photo. We realize that it was an ignorant and distasteful thing for us to do, but we truly meant no harm. We are deeply sorry."


Never try and explain what you were trying to do, that's an attempt to justify your crass behavior.  Never imply that the insult was in the eye of the beholder and not intended, that's another attempt to mitigate the offense.  As my Drill Sergeants kept pounding into my head, an excuse has an effective range of 0.0 meters.

I'm of two minds on the apology to their employer.  On one hand, they owe their employer an apology, first for what they actually apologized for, and second for the fact that they did this on company time.  On the other hand, that's a completely seperate apology, and making it here detracts from the apology to the families and comrades of the honored dead.  I'll allow it because they publically shamed their employer, so they should make public restitution to their employer.

And finally, I'm not ok with sweeping it under the rug as a youthful indescretion.  Yes, the young do stupid things, I know I did.  But if you forgive the behavior and "just move along", they don't learn from it.  I will admit, I don't want them fired for their job (really, I would fire them were I their employer, but as far as I'm concerned that's between them and their employer and none of my business) but I think public shaming is appropriate.  They're paying that now.
 
Here is a good take on it:  http://www.businessinsider.com/lindsey-stone-2012-11

I knew a retired Master Sgt (kept bouncing between Sgt. and MSgt) who, along with his close buddies from Korea went and pissed on the grave of the Cap'n that got most of his unit in Korea killed off.  He would have laughed like hell at that photo.  But, by some of the reactions I've seen about Ms. Stone, maybe his Silver Star should be revoked (I've read the commendation, if he hadn't played yo-yo in rank, likely it would have been a MoH, not a SS).

 
Oddly I find myself in both MikeD and John's camps simultaneously(I'm like a photon, both matter and wave at the same time). 

The problem, if you deem it one, is deeper than merely a jackalope being a jackalope at Arlington, but fixing that means a lot of people moving away from things they like doing(being offensive, irreverent, and callous)---at least in a public fora.  Unfortunately, we like crass substituting as wit, or Jon Stewart wouldn't have a career on TV nor would we have South Park(and SP republicans).  This kind of thing doesn't happen in a vacuum.  If it's a problem it's a larger one than these two chowderheads.   

On the other hand, perspective, please.  Fired?  Aren't there public forms of censure that come short of harrassing the employer?  Wouldn't having to stand at the entrance with a sign saying, 'I was an idiot for doing this,' more appropriate? 


 
Joe in Calif, there is no similarity between your master sergeant and what this  bimbo did.  I can actually see what he did and understand it.  He also, if that story is at all true, had skin in the game and earned the right to dislike some officer who got most of his unit killed, if indeed it occurred.

This woman thought she was being edgy and hip, and cool.  In point of fact her boorish and disrespectful behavior was just that, boorish and disrespectful.  That sign merely requests stuff that anyone going to a national cemetery should be willing to provide, given what the eternal occupants there have already given.  No excuses, period.  And that was a crappy self serving, "I got caught and am not liking the stress I am getting for my colossal stupidity" attempt to get out from under her idiocy.  I think the hate and discontent they are getting slung at them is sufficient.  They will think twice before doing something that ignorant again, but really, I doubt that they have learned anything.
 
USMC Steve - yeah, it happened.  And while he and his buddies "had skin in the game" weren't their actions also, and quite literally, desecration of hallowed ground?  Or do we set up special rules?  He would have been laughing his butt off at the tempest this stirred up.  I can almost hear him "S***! Give it a rest, that bimbo isn't worth it, and toss me a beer already!"
 
Freedom of speech includes freedom to publicly make an ass of yourself. Blame and shame I think would have been sufficient (allthough someone needs to explain to them what an apology is.) I'm trying to imagine being their boss. "Go away, come back Monday. I don't know if I'll have to fire your or not. I do know that you'll hand write apologies to every single person who writes or emails a complaint."
 
I need to make a correction - the gentleman to which I refered was awarded a DSC, not a Silver Star.  Checked with his greand-daughter.  
 
 I'm much more concerned about the degradation of American society evidenced by the rabid overreaction to a benignly waged stunt.  A brief glance at the disparaging comments appended to any reporting of this total non-event makes it abundantly plain that those who find fault in this guiltless act by a mere mortal are vengeful, irrational, untutored, and dangerous people.  YOU LINDSAY-HATERS ARE NOTHING MORE THAN A DIGITAL LYNCH MOB.  

Those who wear a uniform have no right to so much as spit-shine a boot if they do not UNDERSTAND and HONOR THEIR OATH TO THE CONSTITUTION of The United States of America, God bless her.  

It's abundantly clear that none of the hyper-pontificating, overzealous windbags here has clue #1 about what our nation was founded upon and what it's supposed to stand for.  They're just a pack of mad bullies acting like a gang of thugs.  What these fools are engaging in, allowing themselves to revel in, even - to the point where the livelihood of a well liked, hard working, contributing, tax paying American has to lose not only her livelihood but her reputation - is far more damaging to our way of life than some gag photo posted on a stupid social media web site.  Our Forefathers fought a bloody revolution against this very mentality, with its trembling, blind allegiance to the "might makes right" approach.  Reality check: I'll wager they would have been proud, perhaps delighted, to have a clever, free thinking, fun loving, thoughtfully irreverent and uninhibited individual like this lady in their ranks - not for the purpose of lifting up her skirt, either (they were higher minded than that).  And while we're coming clean, let's admit that the rage surrounding this wouldn't have been a fraction as vicious if the unfortunate photo had been posted by a male.

FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, PEOPLE, STOP THE BLOODLUST FOR LINDSAY STONE.


See it for what it is.  THIS PERSON NEVER INTENDED TO MAKE A POLITICAL STATEMENT, as anyone with a spare brain cell could deduce.  And she surely didn't expect voyeurs with agendas to be visiting her personal web page.  She's not anti-American in any way, shape or form.  She wasn't actually yelling, she wasn't really flipping anyone off.  It was a staged picture.  DUH.  So what if it's in poor taste?  I'm bombarded daily with revolting demonstrations of base behavior, and they're considered publicly acceptable.  I despise this, yet I manage to have a civil life of good quality, notwithstanding.  Can't you?  Lindsay Stone didn't create the middle finger gesture, someone else did (soldiers, actually, as history tells us), and then someone else showed it to her - should we hunt them down and crucify them, too?  She posted this photo, lawfully and innocuously, in a context that left no ambiguity that it was a joke.  She did not retort in the least when the initial backlash started, she was promptly and perfectly conciliatory and explained herself very clearly and logically - in a self-deprecating way, no less.  Only a dictatorial tyrant would refuse to be appeased.  

Are you so devoid of judgment and wholly without righteousness that the only way you can feign any morality is by following the herd with substanceless grandstanding?  Such weak-mindedness is the antithesis of the American way - not this good woman with a wry sense of humor.  Wusses with weapons and lame losers with no critical faculty, no sense of discernment, no ability to assess genuine risk, who let their lower emotional states control them, falling for a distraction while diverting focus from real threats ARE TOOLS OF THE ENEMY OF OUR REPUBLIC.   So stop wrapping yourselves in the flag and feeding the frenzy.

Now what... Is someone going to come waterboard me?  Throw rocks wrapped with threatening notes through my window?  Burn my barn?  Poison my dog?  Abduct my child?  Violate my wife while forcing me to watch?  Jack Bauer gonna "re-educate" me?  How many fingers, Winston?   This is not America.
 
Um, I'm assuming you didn't bother to *read* what *I*wrote.

Apologize to her?

Nope.

Sorry she ended up losing her job?  Nope.  Agree with what brought that about?  Nope.

But pay attention to your spittle-flecked rantings that are simply a mirror image of what you are railing about?

Um, again, nope.

Sorry.  Oh, that's not true. I'm not sorry, I'm just making polite noises.  You don't advance your argument with caps lock and spit.

 
Joe, I understand. If I ever find m'self in St. Louis, I'll make a special effort to piss on Bill Sherman's grave. But then, I'm from Georgia.