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Training like this is one reason why I joined...

...but things are certainly run differently than I remember.  This is a live fire exercise, but I see a lot of blank adaptors - so I assume we're doing run-throughs with blanks, and then there's a stand-down to swap to ball ammo?  Help me out, here, Grunts.  I only ever did these things as a mounted FO.




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Crawl, walk, run.

We used to do a no shooty walk through, then a blank run, then the real deal.

But, we also used to actually assault the pos with both fire and maneuver. So, when the SAW was ripping out bursts, I expected to see fire teams, or squads, or whatever the Army uses as lowest level maneuver, running up the flanks of the fire lane.

This also might have been a lower level workup for a larger exercise as well.

We had ranges specifically for squad level, then platoon level, then company, then full battalion.

Gotta build the foundation first, at the squad level. Then the frame at plat and co, bat is the full house built.
 
There's some more videos where this one came from.  I'll look.  I just remember being schooled on not mixing live and blank ammo.
 
I don't think it quals as mixing. At least as far as I remember how we did it in the Corps.

The walkthrough and blank runs were day one. The live fire day two, on each range.

Now that I think about it some more... I'm not real sure we did a blank run...

Thanks for making me confuse myself, JoA.

Getting old sucks. There should be a law...
 
If nothing else, we can blame the editing!
 
At the :59 mark you see "something" going down range on the right side of the screen.  And it looks like they are shooting something out of the mortars.
 
Oh, there's live fire in there, no doubt.  And blank adaptors.
 
Beats me we never mixed blanks and live ammo.

Notice how I didn't make any snarky Army remarks :)
 
Hey, it ain't been my Army for a long time. 
 

We (USMC - '86-'90) used to do either blanks or live fire.  Never mixed the two.  Given the average grunts propensity to break $h1t mixing would be bad.  Like Grimmy said we would do a walk through first then either blanks or live ammo to follow.  The fun part for me (Dragon gunner) was that the Wpns Co. was always issued the same amount of rifle ammo as the rifle companys and since mortars and machine guns had their own stuff to shoot we got all of the companies rifle ammo.

I remember when we were running through the new combat town on Lejeune.  The range was design for a company level.  An Isreali exchange office looked at our CO and said they would have run the full battalion through a range that size.  As an aside, the live fire ranges in Isreal were the best.  The direction we received from the Isreali range officer was a broad sweep of the arm covering roughly 180 degrees  while saying "fire that way its Jordan".

 
I come from the never mix blanks and live ammo group and don't ever remember doing a live, blank, live ammo walk through in the 70's, 80's, to the mid-90's. 
 
I've done what Grimmy is talking about- walkthrough, blanks, then live ammo all in the same day. But I'm not exactly Infantry, so maybe we were just doing things ass-backwards. :D
 
 I think that's how it's probably done these days.  

And there's no reason well trained, disciplined troops (don't let that go to your head) couldn't do this sort of thing.

I just vaguely remembered it being pretty much anathema to mix blanks and ball, back in my day.
 
Typical Marine:

   It's ISRAEL.

U.S. Army SigC (69-89). Thailand, Korea, Germany, Korea, Korea, Portugal overseas tours. 11.7months out of CONUS.

RHB
 
 Rich - we usually don't get too wrapped around typos around here unless they're funny.  Or misleading. Such as, unless I miss my guess - you meant to say "11.7 years" OCONUS, right?

 Otherwise, you're saying that in 20 years you only did 6 roughly two-month deployments?   I admit you're the first guy I've known who did Portugal, though.  But three tours in Korea, you had that coming.
 
My unit was, you might say, pretty far down the shaft of the spear; we went to Bragg and wanted to do our annual rifle qualification while we were there. Then we went to the field with blanks. Sure enough one or two live rounds turned up in ammo pouches or magazines and were turned into supply while we were down range; my sergeant was mad as a wet setting hen--she knew that was going to happen. Nobody got hurt; she used her supply sergeant's creativity to convert the live rounds into expended brass and all was right with the world again.
 
My National Guard Infantry units, by the '90s, were doing the 'empty' walkthrough, 'blank' walkthrough, 'blank' run, 'live' walkthrough and 'live' run; all on the same day, at platoon level. There was no mixing of ammunition, you simply arrange separate issues as appropriate.

Creative beating of the enlisted, (and threatening by, and to, the officers) managed to ensure that ammo sweeps were thorough and we never had live rounds show up where they shouldn't.

Having professional (even if part time) NCOs is always the key.