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Hmmmm...

If you can't afford this...



There's always this...




Flex and adapt. Murray would approve. 

H/t Joe for the Syria link.

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Never got to do direct fire when I was on the 109A3.  Did get to do it on the 198 - loads of fun.  The Killer Junior shots were neat, too.  Of course, we were of the opinion that things were getting too exciting if you actually _needed_ to direct fire.  :-)
 
I figured you would like the stuff from Syria. "Improvise, adapt, and overcome."  Nothing silly about it if it works (see the PIAT).

I like the looking down the tube for sighting - one hell of a diopter sight!
 
Actually, Joe -the fact they're using the primer hole as a peep sight is a travesty.

It means that unlike on all previous versions of the M109-series turrets, they chose to omit the direct fire telescope - meaning they also lost the chance for accounting for drop over range, which was built into the M109 Elbow telescopes.

There's no doubt the Paladin turret requirements made the direct fire scope a challenge - but good golly, that's what engineers are for.

But, as Pogue said - for artillerymen, with separate loading ammo down to and including primers, serving the guns in a direct fire role means something *really* got screwed up.

But it *is* fun.
 
Where's Uncle Bill? Izzhe OK?
 
I have a real problem with calling these things SP Guns.  They're tracked, turreted vehicles.  In My First Big Book of Vehicles that makes them tanks.  Sure, they're MEANT to fire indirectly, and they have a much better vertical traverse than an Abrams, but in MY day, turret = tank was the rule of the day.
 
* manned turret = tank
 
They're not as mobile as tanks, they not as armored as tanks, they don't have the sights of tanks, they can't shoot on the move like tanks, and if you use them as tanks you'll be sorely disappointed, just like if you try to use your tanks as artillery you'll be sorely disappointed.

But if a couple of guys bouncing about in a turret is your definition of a tank... okay.

But I'm not giving you any tanks *or* artillery.
 
Heckfire, John!   A good gunner should know how to apply a little Kentucky windage and hold over to put his shot on target without all that fancy, break-downable stuff. If you can see it, you can kill it.
 
4-27 FA was our arty support back when I was an LT in 2nd Brigade, 1st Armored.  Looks like the unit designation made the move to Ft Bliss.

Golly, it must be fun to be a track toad with all that maneuver space to play in.
 
John you're making them sound like an APC.
 
 Joe - there's no front post or barleycorn.  There is only the peep.

And you Parrot and Napoleon shooters fire more rounds in direct fire than modern artillery crews do.  They never develop the senses needed to determine the holdover.  Over that range, given what they're firing and firing at... the windage isn't such an issue.  left a foot, right a foot... not such a big deal.  An over or under, however...

Argent - you I'm ignoring...
 
 Oh, and Dave?  Yeah, yeah it is.  There and Fort Irwin.
 
 Did Argent touch a nerve there John? 

Since you've given me the hairy eye before, it holds no terror for me.
 
John, I'm not talking about looking down "the line of metal" (over the top of the tube).  Give the human eye a circle to look though and it wants to center the object being looked at in that circle.  The 700 yards mentioned in the video should pretty much be point blank at that range, put the center of the target in the center of the circle.  As you said, a foot or two shouldn't be a big deal.  At worst your first is a ranging shot, then your second should be on target. 

And I babysit a smooth, sleak, beautiful 3" Ordnace rifle, not a clunky, squared off Parrott or an obsolete smooth bore that uses twice the powder for half the range and accuracy.  

(preens smugly and waits for return fire)
 
To be fair, though, there are some things that the Napoleon smooth bore can do that the rifled guns can't, or can't do very well.

Here is a modern example of one of those things, canister:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cgn1nhUEgo8
 
But I'm not giving you any tanks *or* artillery.

Which is fine by me.  I was not just a damned dirty leg, but I was Chairborne MI.  And Enlisted to boot.