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On being green...

 Shamelessly swiped from Aunty Brat's Facebook page:

Checking out at the grocery store recently, the young cashier suggested I should bring my own grocery bags because plastic bags weren't good for the environment. I apologized and explained, "We didn't have this green thing back in my earlier days." The clerk responded, "That's our problem today. Your generation did not care enough to save our environment for future generations." She was right about one thing -- our generation didn't have the green thing in “Our” day. So what did we have back then…? After some reflection and soul-searching on "Our" day here's what I remembered we did have.... Back then, we returned milk bottles, soda bottles and beer bottles to the store. The store sent them back to the plant to be washed and sterilized and refilled, so it could use the same bottles repeatedly. So they really were recycled. But we didn't have the green thing back in our day. We walked up stairs, because we didn't have an escalator in every store and office building. We walked to the grocery store and didn't climb into a 300-horsepower machine every time we had to go two blocks. But she was right. We didn't have the green thing in our day. Back then, we washed the baby's diapers because we didn't have the throw-away kind. We dried clothes on a line, not in an energy gobbling machine burning up 220 volts -- wind and solar power really did dry our clothes back in our early days. Kids got hand-me-down clothes from their brothers or sisters, not always brand-new clothing. But that young lady is right. We didn't have the green thing back in our day. Back then, we had one TV, or radio, in the house -- not a TV in every room. And the TV had a small screen the size of a handkerchief (remember them?), not a screen the size of the state of Montana. In the kitchen, we blended and stirred by hand because we didn't have electric machines to do everything for us. When we packaged a fragile item to send in the mail, we used wadded up old newspapers to cushion it, not Styrofoam or plastic bubble wrap. Back then, we didn't fire up an engine and burn gasoline just to cut the lawn. We used a push mower that ran on human power. We exercised by working so we didn't need to go to a health club to run on treadmills that operate on electricity. But she's right. We didn't have the green thing back then. We drank from a fountain when we were thirsty instead of using a cup or a plastic bottle every time we had a drink of water. We refilled writing pens with ink instead of buying a new pen, and we replaced the razor blades in a razor instead of throwing away the whole razor just because the blade got dull. But we didn't have the green thing back then. Back then, people took the streetcar or a bus, and kids rode their bikes to school or walked instead of turning their moms into a 24-hour taxi service. We had one electrical outlet in a room, not an entire bank of sockets to power a dozen appliances. And we didn't need a computerized gadget to receive a signal beamed from satellites 2,000 miles out in space in order to find the nearest pizza joint. But isn't it sad the current generation laments how wasteful we old folks were just because we didn't have the green thing back then? Please post this on your Facebook profile so another selfish old person who needs a lesson in conservation from a smarty-pants young person can add to this...


Of course, the answer is... we invented all that stuff because we wanted the convenience, because we knew what a PITA it really was to live like that, although now we view it through a rosy lens of nostalgia.

Me, I wonder if the younglings who grew up with all that convenience wouldn't just whinge their butts off if they actually had to live the way those of us of an age can remember.  Might take care of unemployment... if the little peckerheads with $90K in student debt for their "Bachelor's of General Studies in Medieval French Literature" would at least work for minimum wage while gathering some truly useful skills and not just sit in a park somewhere and whine about how it's unfair that no one wants to pay them $85K a year to study old French writing.  And that we taxpayers should just comp them that degree, and fund them via the NEA.  

But - at least the cashier has a job.  So I'll shut up and not pick on *her*...

Most of the people I know who try to live "green" either do so because they can't afford the alternative, or, at the opposite end, they are so comfortable they can take the time (and oft times added expense, depending on how you approach it) to do so... like the Volt and Prius drivers, and people who take their jute bags to shop for arugula at Whole Foods.

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 If you believe in Global Warming, do your part by remember to ask for paper bags at the grocery store.  They sequester carbon.
 
Do I have to believe in Anthropogenic Global Warming? Or can I just concern myself with net solar inputs? As for paper bags, no thanks. I take the plastic bags to Catholic Charities, where they pack them with food. May not sequester much carbon that way, but it does feed hungry folks. I want to sequester some carbon, I'll burn my trash and my fields.
 
What's this about degrees in French literature?

*ducking and running*

*hiding behind a berm*

*munching popcorn* 
 
I'd like to see a bunch of these smarmy spoiled brats live even an early 20th Century  rural lifestyle for a year. One thing that might be added, ask the twit where she thinks the lithium/nickle/cadmium for the batteries that operate all the little electro-gizmos her generation just can't live without comes from, and the ecological price that's paid to produce those toxic metals.
 
 Why are you running, Susan?  Does Bill have a degree in frenchlit?  If so, he's gathered some useful skillz and moved on...
 
I think the text is quite silly.  These 'older folk' are esentially complaining about corporate consumerism and showing what most greenies do today instead of that.

In other words the text is championing greenies while putting down consumerism which is essentially opposite to the portrayal.


 
Well, John... Oui, mais vous savez ... tous les hélicoptères parler Français, et ils aiment La Peu Prince pour être leur lire au hangar de temps. 
 
 According to FBL, Bill's degree is in English. I'm sure Fuzy wouldn't lie to me.

I met FBL at a Lex Meet at Shakespeare's in San Dog last July.
 
 Greetings:

Having been raised in the Bronx of the '50s and '60s, the clerks initial suggestion would have provoked the requisite, "How the "F" would you know, asshole?" response.  Which is occasionly followed by the almost as requisite (time permitting) "Why don't you run and get your supervisor and tell him that there's someone up front waiting to talk to him."
 
I would definitely get a degree in medieval literature if I had the time/money...
 
What was it you read, Silver?  I saw a piece of sarcasm directed at a smug, know it all green who likely has several TVs, a computer, cell phone, various i-somethings, drinks several Starbucks a day, drinks water from throw away pint bottles, and will think nothing of driving 250 miles to protest agarinst almost anything.
 
I majored in Medieval Studies. We read lotsa cool stuff! 
 
Il le hangar-temps! Je veux que mon histoire!
 
Yeah, I think that I just took medieval history and literature classes in college so that I would  have a legitimate excuse to read King Arthur stories. :D
 
I picked the major so's to find out what started World War II. The layers just kept peeling back, onion like, to the fall of the Roman Empire. I rather enjoyed the writings of Henri Pirenne and Marc Bloch. The King Arthur stories are mighty entertaining, too.  Saker, I echo that : D 
 
I think that Gawain and the Green Knight might be my all-time favorite...

Wait, what was this post about originally?
 
I can't afford the alternative. I would love to eat a Paleo low-carb diet, but I just can't afford it. I figure I'm doing well to manage a can of sardines per day, to mix with the cereals.
 
Yeah, well, Saker, wouldn't we all, if we could manage it!  (or Philoshophy, or English Lit, or whatever)  The idea of a liberal arts degree is that one is liber, or free, and doesn't have to work for a living as do his peasants, and is thus free to cultivate his mind.

These days, everybody who  goes to college seems to want to imitate the aristocrats of ages past, and study what seems cool to them, without reference to actually making a living.

I need to go over to the local Vo-Tech and check out their welding course. 
 
I think most French lit classes were full of hopefuls that presumed it would give them access to obscure and rather filthy French smut.

JTG: yay for canned sardines and tuna the only fish most of us can afford.
 
I tend to BYO bag. Why? Because I'm carrying a lot of my groceries on my back and a rucksack is easier to lug than a handful of plastic bags, plus the plastic bags have gotten thinner recently. That said, If I'm driving I'll take a plastic bag or two to use as garbage bags.

The largest problem I have with a "green" lifestyle is the politics that seem to go with it. If you are living lightly in order to save money or to be a good steward, then great and my hat's off to you because we're singing off the same sheet music. If you are yearning to make other people go back to the days of no electricity, only local seasonal food without preservatives and greatly reduced access to modern medicine because you think you and your experts know how to "save the planet" with the power of the state, then you are a watermelon, not a conservationist. (Watermelon - green skin but Red to the core.)
 
Saker, the Knight was green! So he belongs right with this thread. I don't know if they ate watermelon at Camelot, though... 
 
There have been many, mostly good nature ribbings directed towards myself and my fellow medieval reenactors, but more interesting was the response when I pointed out that my family and I are quite comfortable living out of a tent in the back woods with our 15th Century technology. This turned to interest when I also mentioned that we researched and had a passing understanding of forging, herblore, and textile arts(hat tip to the Mrs.) It really got interesting when I mentioned that we had an existing infrastructure comprised of mosly conservative, freedom-minded fellows, and one of the world's largest private armies (if you gathered all of the armed fighters together), most of whom had an understanding of military history and science the likes of which our finest military schools attempt to achieve. Garnish with a spinkling of Veterans and the end of modern civilization doesn't look quite as dire...
 
SGT B! Are you one of those people with the Society for Creative Anachronism? I've always wanted to try that... But I move too much.
 
End of Civilization Party at my place!
 
All I can add is: Walk your talk. I have just formed a business (non-profit company), organized as a 527, to take on the increasing "greening" of outdoor recreation in one of the States best known for it, Oregon. My company, WillBoat, specializes in defeating the ongoing plans to encourage human-powered boating by discouraging engine-driven boating. Outboards vs. paddlers, if you will.

Portland has a City government that has gone green-mad, and proposes to take over the Willamette River (a major river, Federally navigable by all) and project "green-ness" into the river's operation as to recreation.

I'm spending my own hard-earned cash to operate the business for now, I employ two people part-time, and I am preparing exhibits for boating/sporting trade shows.

We speak a foreign language, also: our motto is "Ut Redderet, nos regulam": "we pay, we rule". Motor boaters pay for everything in Oregon via their taxes and registration fees, the paddlers pay nothing, yet want to own the rivers.

Motor boating is going anti-Green and high-profile in Oregon, WillBoat is going to see to that.

What have YOU done to help defeat the Greens?
 
Interesting that King Arthur has been brought into this thread!  One of the trends I am noticing a LOT lately, is the determination of the DoD to be 'green.'  I am seeing many articles lauding the praise of different departments who are rushing hell mell to prove how conservation minded they all are.  I am deliberately choosing to ignore those self-congratulatory pronouncements, and try not to post them anywhere I write.

Of course, this all the while they are cutting our Troops to the bones, and ignoring the real needs of our Veterans and Wounded Warriors.

(This English Lit - and Criminology - grad, and Monty Python fan,  is going back to my corner..)
 
 What have I done to defeat the Greens?
Switched to PURPLE for all my emotive colour needs.

Cheers