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  <title>Comments for The last unambiguous war.</title>
  <subtitle>We&apos;re the Military and Airpower Guys of Jonah Goldberg of National Review Online + a stray we found wandering around looking lost.  All original material JHD, BHD, JR, WT,  and KA 2003-2010</subtitle>
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    <published>2011-12-07T13:55:00Z</published>
    <updated>2011-12-07T13:17:23Z</updated>
    <title>The last unambiguous war.</title>
    <summary>Air Raid Pearl Harbor. This is no drill. Casualties USA : 218 KIA, 364 WIA. USN: 2,008 KIA, 710 WIA. USMC: 109 KIA, 69 WIA. Civilians: 68 KIA, 35 WIA. TOTAL: 2,403 KIA, 1,178 WIA. ------------------------------------------------- Battleships USS Arizona (BB-39) - total loss when a bomb hit her magazine. USS Oklahoma (BB-37) - Total loss when she capsized and sunk in the harbor. USS California (BB-44) - Sunk at her berth. Later raised and repaired. USS West Virginia (BB-48) - Sunk at her berth. Later raised and repaired. USS Nevada - (BB-36) Beached to prevent sinking. Later repaired. USS Pennsylvania...</summary>
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      <name>The Armorer</name>
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      <![CDATA[Air Raid Pearl Harbor. This is no drill. <img border="0" alt="Hosting provided by FotoTime" src="http://www.fototime.com/F10509821549E26/orig.jpg" /> <img border="0" alt="Hosting provided by FotoTime" src="http://www.fototime.com/C058D9B12513A0E/orig.jpg" /> <img border="0" alt="Hosting provided by FotoTime" src="http://www.fototime.com/1BED5954881B89F/standard.jpg" /> <img border="0" alt="Hosting provided by FotoTime" src="http://www.fototime.com/88B9280E6EF6D16/standard.jpg" /> <img border="0" alt="Hosting provided by FotoTime" src="http://www.fototime.com/5162D03DC95B25E/standard.jpg" /> <img border="0" alt="Hosting provided by FotoTime" src="http://www.fototime.com/F67FF1F13EA66CC/standard.jpg" /> <img border="0" alt="Hosting provided by FotoTime" src="http://www.fototime.com/D0FAE5BC73B4D93/standard.jpg" /> <img border="0" alt="Hosting provided by FotoTime" src="http://www.fototime.com/FC722916E046869/standard.jpg" /> <img border="0" alt="Hosting provided by FotoTime" src="http://www.fototime.com/C28727A34485984/standard.jpg" /> <img border="0" alt="Hosting provided by FotoTime" src="http://www.fototime.com/19EAE0EB2065F90/standard.jpg" /> <img border="0" alt="Hosting provided by FotoTime" src="http://www.fototime.com/CE1551157F36C37/standard.jpg" /> <img border="0" alt="Hosting provided by FotoTime" src="http://www.fototime.com/532E7A48ED3C584/standard.jpg" /> <img border="0" alt="Hosting provided by FotoTime" src="http://www.fototime.com/A6CBFC14C37F50C/standard.jpg" /> <img border="0" alt="Hosting provided by FotoTime" src="http://www.fototime.com/3266C7C83ED321B/standard.jpg" /> <img border="0" alt="Hosting provided by FotoTime" src="http://www.fototime.com/476DC6B001F78B9/standard.jpg" /> <img border="0" alt="Hosting provided by FotoTime" src="http://www.fototime.com/4DF13F4790A6929/standard.jpg" /> <img border="0" alt="Hosting provided by FotoTime" src="http://www.fototime.com/9B7E8B0F4230A49/standard.jpg" /> <br /> <br /> Casualties <br /> USA : 218 KIA, 364 WIA. <br /> USN: 2,008 KIA, 710 WIA. <br /> USMC: 109 KIA, 69 WIA. <br /> Civilians: 68 KIA, 35 WIA. <br /> TOTAL: 2,403 KIA, 1,178 WIA. <br /> ------------------------------------------------- <br /> Battleships USS Arizona (BB-39) - total loss when a bomb hit her magazine. <br /> USS Oklahoma (BB-37) - Total loss when she capsized and sunk in the harbor. <br /> USS California (BB-44) - Sunk at her berth. Later raised and repaired. <br /> USS West Virginia (BB-48) - Sunk at her berth. Later raised and repaired. <br /> USS Nevada - (BB-36) Beached to prevent sinking. Later repaired. <br /> USS Pennsylvania (BB-38) - Light damage. USS Maryland (BB-46) - Light damage. <br /> USS Tennessee (BB-43) Light damage. <br /> USS Utah (AG-16) - (former battleship used as a target) - Sunk. <br /> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- <br /> Cruisers <br /> USS New Orleans(CA-32) - Light Damage.. <br /> USS San Francisco(CA38) - Light Damage. <br /> USS Detroit(CL-8) - Light Damage. <br /> USS Raleigh (CL-7) - Heavily damaged but repaired. <br /> USS Helena(CL-50) - Light Damage. <br /> USS Honolulu(CL-48) - Light Damage.. <br /> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- <br /> Destroyers <br /> USS Downes (DD-375) - Destroyed. Parts salvaged. <br /> USS Cassin - (DD-37 2) - Destroyed. Parts salvaged. <br /> USS Shaw (DD-373) - Very heavy damage. <br /> USS Helm (DD-388) - Light Damage. -<br /> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- <br /> Minelayer USS Ogala (CM-4) - Sunk but later raised and repaired. <br /> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- <br /> Seaplane Tender USS Curtiss (AV-4) - Severely damaged but later repaired. <br /> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- <br /> Repair Ship USS Vestal (AR-4) - Severely damaged but later repaired. <br /> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------<br /> Harbor Tug USS Sotoyomo (YT-9) - Sunk but later raised and repaired.<br /> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- <br /> Aircraft 188 Aircraft destroyed<br /> <br /> But in the end, it came down to this:<br /> <img alt="Japanese Foreign Minister Mamoru Shigemitsu signs the Instrument of Surrender on behalf of the Japanese Government, ending World War II." src="http://www.fototime.com/FA68438D126F8D6/orig.jpg" /><br /> <blockquote> <div>Japanese Foreign Minister Mamoru Shigemitsu signs the Instrument of Surrender on behalf of the Japanese Government, ending World War II.</div> </blockquote><em>USS Missouri</em>, moored astern of <em>USS Arizona </em>at Pearl Harbor.. The Instrument of Surrender of the Empire of Japan was signed on the deck of <em>Missouri</em>&nbsp;&nbsp; <em>Missouri's</em> hull is sometimes bathed in the blood of <em>Arizona</em> - that dark streak running from the <em>Arizona</em> memorial to the &quot;Mighty Mo&quot; is bunker oil, still leaking from <em>Arizona</em> after all these years.<br /> <br /> .<img border="0" alt="After.  The &lt;em&gt;USS Missouri&lt;/em&gt;, moored astern of the &lt;em&gt;USS Arizona&lt;/em&gt;.  The Instrument of Surrender of the Empire of Japan was signed on the deck of the &lt;em&gt;Missouri&lt;/em&gt;." src="http://www.fototime.com/AC6E63BDDC37AD3/orig.jpg" /><br /> <blockquote> <div>Text of the Instrument of Surrender:<br /> <br /> We, acting by command of and on behalf of the Emperor of Japan, the Japanese Government and the Japanese Imperial General Headquarters, hereby accept the provisions in the declaration issued by the heads of the Governments of the United States, China, and Great Britain 26 July 1945 at Potsdam, and subsequently to by the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, which four powers are hereafter referred to as the Allied Powers. <br /> We hereby proclaim the unconditional surrender to the Allied Powers of the Japanese Imperial General Headquarters and of all Japanese Armed Forces and all Armed Forces under Japanese control wherever situated.<br /> <br /> We hereby command all Japanese forces wherever situated and the Japanese people to cease hostilities forthwith, to preserve and save from damage all ships, aircraft, and military and civil property, and to comply with all requirements which may be imposed by the Supreme Commander for the Allied Powers or by agencies of the Japanese Government at his direction.<br /> <br /> We hereby command the Japanese Imperial General Headquarters to issue at once orders to the commanders of all Japanese forces and all forces under Japanese control wherever situated to surrender unconditionally themselves and all forces under their control.<br /> <br /> We hereby command all civil, military, and naval officials to obey and enforce all proclamations, orders, and directives deemed by the Supreme Commander for the Allied Powers to be proper to effectuate this surrender and issued by him or under his authority; and we direct all such officials to remain at their posts and to continue to perform their non-combatant duties unless specifically relieved by him or under his authority.<br /> <br /> We hereby undertake for the Emperor, the Japanese Government, and their successors to carry out the provisions of the Potsdam Declaration in good faith, and to issue whatever orders and take whatever action may be required by the Supreme Commander for the Allied Powers or by any other designated representative of the Allied Powers for the purpose of giving effect to that declaration.<br /> <br /> We hereby command the Japanese Imperial Government and the Japanese Imperial General Headquarters at once to liberate all Allied Prisoners of War and civilian internees now under Japanese control and to provide for their protection, care, maintenance, and immediate transportation to places as directed.<br /> <br /> The authority of the Emperor and the Japanese Government to rule the State shall be subject to the Supreme Commander for the Allied Powers, who will take such steps as he deems proper to effectuate these terms of surrender.<br /> <br /> Signed at TOKYO BAY, JAPAN at 09.04 on the SECOND day of SEPTEMBER, 1945<br /> <br /> Mamoru Shigemitsu<br /> By Command and in behalf of the Emperor of Japan and the Japanese Government<br /> <br /> Yoshijirō Umezu<br /> By Command and in behalf of the Japanese Imperial General Headquarters<br /> <br /> Accepted at TOKYO BAY, JAPAN at 0908 on the SECOND day of SEPTEMBER, 1945, for the United States, Republic of China, United Kingdom and the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, and in the interests of the other United Nations at war with Japan.<br /> <br /> Douglas MacArthur<br /> Supreme Commander for the Allied Powers<br /> <br /> C.W. Nimitz<br /> United States Representative<br /> <br /> Hsu Yung-Ch'ang<br /> Republic of China Representative<br /> <br /> Bruce Fraser<br /> United Kingdom Representative<br /> <br /> Kuzma Derevyanko<br /> Union of Soviet Socialist Republics Representative<br /> <br /> Thomas Blamey<br /> Commonwealth of Australia Representative<br /> <br /> L. Moore Cosgrave<br /> Dominion of Canada Representative<br /> <br /> Jacques Leclerc<br /> Provisional Government of the French Republic Representative<br /> <br /> C.E.L. Helfrich<br /> Kingdom of the Netherlands Representative<br /> <br /> Leonard M. Isitt<br /> Dominion of New Zealand Representative<br /> &nbsp;</div> </blockquote>And to a knuckle-dragger like me, it still is.&nbsp; If you're going to do some nation building, sometimes you have remove the old one.&nbsp; Talk about an extreme makover...&nbsp;&nbsp; There's a reason on makeover they usually bulldoze the old house and build a new one from&nbsp; scratch - it's quicker.&nbsp; And in some respects, cheaper, too.<br /> <br /> Except for the old house.&nbsp; A little allegory for&nbsp; your day.<br />&nbsp;]]>
      
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    <id>tag:www.thedonovan.com,2011://1.13949-comment:208244</id>
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    <title>Comment from Grimmy on 2011-12-08</title>
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        <![CDATA[I guess&nbsp;I would whine too if it happened to me.<br />]]>
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    <published>2011-12-08T15:55:58Z</published>
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    <id>tag:www.thedonovan.com,2011://1.13949-comment:208227</id>
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    <title>Comment from John of Argghhh! on 2011-12-08</title>
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        <name>John of Argghhh!</name>
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        <![CDATA[You *shushed&quot; me on my own page!&nbsp;&nbsp; Sput!&nbsp; Sputter!<br />
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It's *my* party and I'll whine if I want to!&nbsp; Whine if I want to I say!]]>
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    <published>2011-12-08T13:08:31Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Grimmy on 2011-12-07</title>
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        <![CDATA[JoA:<br />
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Oh hush now. Don't go jumping into the Pitty Pit. <br />
<br />
We knew what you were saying. Those of us being obnoxious are, in my case at least, just being frustrated at how long it's taking reasonable people to... well... you know.<br />
<br />
And, it's not just the initiated and such that read here. Sometimes we'uns of the commentariate churn out wordage for them what don't... well... you know.<br />
<br />
Dec 7 just aint a happy day.<br />
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PS. I know you wrecked the spell checker just so I'd look like the goober I am when it comes to putting the correct letters in the correct sequences to make proper words and such.<br />]]>
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    <published>2011-12-08T00:10:59Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from John of Argghhh! on 2011-12-07</title>
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        <![CDATA[[Note to self, don't bother trying to keep the lede simple.&nbsp; Make every post a book, and cover each and every base...]<br />
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    <published>2011-12-07T21:33:28Z</published>
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    <id>tag:www.thedonovan.com,2011://1.13949-comment:208138</id>
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    <title>Comment from Grimmy on 2011-12-07</title>
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        <![CDATA[It wasn't an &quot;unambigious&quot; war until herr Hitler attacked Uncle Joe Stalin. <br />
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Prior to the kickoff ob Barbarossa, the same intellectually inbred, snot gobbling, mouth breeding, sniveling bowls of weak sauce domestic enemy was pulling the same hate and discontent against that war as they've done with every war since.<br />
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    <published>2011-12-07T21:18:44Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from 11B40 on 2011-12-07</title>
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        <![CDATA[Greetings:<br />
<br />
Sorry, it's not unambiguous in our media anymore. You're just overlooking all those Japanese-American internment atrocities which apparently should be the most important memory of WW II. And those Hiroshima and Nagasaki terrorist attacks, tsk, tsk.&nbsp;]]>
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    <published>2011-12-07T17:52:26Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Oldloadr on 2011-12-07</title>
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        <![CDATA[There's an interesting article at NRO with a short synopsis of the attack and aftermath (with, of course, a comparison to modern times. <a href="http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/285095/pearl-harbor-day-infamy-jim-lacey" rel="nofollow"><a href="http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/285095/pearl-harbor-day-infamy-jim-lacey" rel="nofollow">http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/285095/pearl-harbor-day-infamy-jim-lacey</a></a>]]>
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    <published>2011-12-07T16:00:52Z</published>
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