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Your Sussing Skillz Are Substantiated

...as evidenced by the multiple correct answers to yesterday's poser.

A pic of the southward-facing cannon in the Veterans' Memorial sward in Woodbury, CT

Okay, JoA twigged the exact locale and the direction that particular cannon was pointed – and there *are* two of them, as QM and JimC noted. Mizz Susan – characteristically -- indulged in a bit of whimsy, linking to a pic of *Marine* One (Connecticut is a *maritime* state) flying south (yup) and included the aluminum cap on the Washington Monument to draw attention to the couple of interesting things about the obelisk to which I alluded.
First, the monument, showing both cannons --



-- it was one of the *first* post-bellum memorials commissioned. In fact, it was evidently finished before anyone had settled on an accepted term for the bellum itself.




Not that we’ve travelled much farther down that road a hundred and fifty years later…

Second item of interest, the casualties are only listed by rank (the majority Privates, with a handful of Corporals), name, and year KIA -- no units. The regiment or branch was immaterial -- that they had answered their country’s call, donned the uniform, and died in her service was recognition enough.

JimC found some additional info

The flat surface of the muzzle of the north gun is incised I B N 44, the south I B N 93.

But it’s not quite correct. The ID on the north gun (click for hi-rez) is “I B No 44” and on the south gun ('nother hi-rez) is “I B No 83” – someone either gave the muzzles a too-cursory glance or only examined them by moonlight.

And it appears they totally missed the foundry mark on each right trunnion (stella'nuther hi-rez) – W F.

Oh, yeah -- that round white object I mentioned? It's a weather-bleached, M80 firecracker. A dud. Evidently, someone wanted to inject a bit of historical pseudo re-enactment into the celebratory fire this past Fourth.

They didn't even attempt to load the north gun. Click here and look down the bore to find out why,,,

Like that old joke goes, "First, check for bees."

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  The local monument here in Bath, Maine,  lists 109 names of those lost, but no units.  It is also an obelisk, but with a eagle atop it.  There is an 8 inch Columbiad mounted in front of it, on a concrete mount. Interestingly, it's pointed directly at City Hall. 

  We were fortunate to discover, some years back, a ledger kept by a local doctor who noted every man from Bath and the surrounding areas who joined. He detailed each name with a physical description, date of nirth, what unit he joined and when, and what happened to him during the war.  It's safely in the City Clerk's vault, but available to anyone who needs info.

  Here's a link to the monument. Behind it, in the image, is the County Court House. The gun faces east.

http://www.maine.gov/doc/nrimc/mgs/explore/bedrock/sites/nov09.htm
 
I reckon the locals were right about it's being out of a battleship.  The bore diameter makes it a 32-pounder, obviously from a ship of the line. It's a shame the trunnion image is so dark you can't see a damn' thing.
 
The smooth-bore 32-pounder was standard armament on the City class river ironclads. Nice folks in Woodbury, but a fur piece from the water -- if it has guns and it's bigger than a sloop, they'll call it a battleship.

And I had to take the pic of the trunnion in shadow -- the sunlight completely washed out the "W.F." on the south-facing gun. But the "W.F." *is* visible (and legible) on the hi-rez pic of the north-facing gun -- look at the center of mass.

 
It's not a naval gun.  It's the M1829 32 pdr Seacoast Gun, made in the West Point Foundry, used in our coastal forts.  The appearance of the guns in the late 1800s dovetails with the replacement of the muzzleloaders with the new-fangled breechloaders.
 
Thus solving the mystery of the foundry mark.

What's the visible diff between the naval gun and the coastal fort variant?
 
I used to live in Williamsburg, Kansas and the park has an old artillery piece there, pointed SSE towards the city hall. The barrel is filled to within a couple of inches of the muzzle with cement. The story I heard as a kid was that back when the piece was first installed a couple of teenagers put a stick of dynamite in the barrel and put a brick or other improvised projectile on top, set it off and blew out a chunk of the city hall. Which is why the barrel is now filled. Whether it is true or not I don't know.
 
The gun in the pic in the on the Cairo page you linked to has a ring around the barrel just behind the muzzle - that's an indicator of the M1845 Seacoast gun having been re-purposed to a naval use on the MIssissippi.

Poking about a bit further - some of these guns were used on naval vessels as we yanked guns from forts to equip ships during the building frenzy of 1862.  Naval ordnance not being my specialty, it would appear that most of the 32pdrs on blue-water Navy ships were Dahlgrens and Parrots.
 
I know that one of the field-grade quarters across from the post HQ at Fort Sill has a little historical brick damage from the croquet ball jammed in the barrel of an old 3" Ordnance Rifle converted to a breech loading sunset gun... and the crew failed basic service of the piece: ensure the bore is clear before loading.
 
Whimsy? What whimsy? I've read the reports. I just figured you must have slipped into USMC dialect, talked your way into plausible cover, snagged the helo, dangled a hook, and borrowed the obelisk for your pic. That is what you did.... right?  
   
 SKK, it appears  that you are suggesting that BillT is doing some “Photo-Chopping” here. I could be mistaken. For me, it is fun to see history in it's on context.

Armorer, good to read your comments, but I've got a question–In reference to the M1845  Seacoast Gun, that was re-purposed for Naval use. Would this be considered “Cannibalization “ *or* “Common Sense”? I figure it had to be, “Cannibalization”, because “Common Sense”, just may be contagious.

Common sense and Government, *never work*!
 
 
Grumpy, does "photo-chopping"  mean you use a chopper to help stage a photo? If so... yes! That's what I thought he did! However, it appears that he snapped the pic in a natural state, and that his helo halo is intact.

Wait. That didn't come out right.

What I meant  was...

Nice photo!

 
 And at the time of its installation, the Aluminium peak/cap on the Washington Monument was the largest chunk of Aluminium in the world, at 5.50 (or so) pounds. Fortunately a new process for processing Aluminium had made it rather more affordable.
www.tms.org/pubs/journals/jom/9511/binczewski-9511.html

Cheers
 
Susan Katz Keating,  The application was called, "Photoshop", by Adobe.

Halo?? Now, that old troublemaker with a halo, *that would be, most definitely, a "Photoshop"!*

Good grief, I can't be the only trouble maker here!
 
 
Well, Heinrichs got into so much trouble over at my place, he's been on campfire duty for a couple weeks. Do you know how to make s'mores, by any chance? We need some to go underneath the truffle sauce...