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"So where is BillT anyway?"

...asked The Thomas yesterday.

A fair enough question, and one that presents the opportunity for a Whatziss. Or, rather, a Whereziss.





Of course, in order to guess the Whatziss / Whereziss precisely, I'll have to give you some context. You guys know that I *always* give you context.

Unlike John, who gives you cat hairs for scale, but no context.

Behold -- context! (Click to enlighten, then click again to enlargify).

I make this stuff so easy, sometimes I hate myself...

...not.





21 Comments

Well, that's Olympia, so you've been to the Independence Seaport Museum in Philly...
 
...which means (after some prudent checking) you were at the Philadelphia Vietnam Veterans Memorial.
 
And, by a fortuitous happenstance, that's *exactly* where I was when TT made his comment. I only found it by process of elimination, with the help of a bit of sunglint off polished granite shining through the trees.

The Seaport Museum was closed, btw. Olympia, Benuna, and Moshulu are outdoor ehibits, and they were there long before the Port Authority built the Museum. .
 
Part of the Great White Fleet if I'm not mistaken. 

Definitely a time of Iron Ships and Iron Men....California Dept of Corrections has nothing on the Dept of Defense, when it comes to housing the inmates, er, enlisted. 
 
If I remember correctly Olympia was Commodore Dewey's flagship at Manila Bay in the Spanish American War.
 
I once visited The Olympia, back in '78, that is.  Poor thing, her hull is at a hair's breath of collapsing.  and the million dollar embezelment that the director of the "Save The Olympia Fund" absconded with doesn't help one bit.  So sad.
 
*sigh*
And here I was hoping that I might finally be getting my hands on those wings....
0>:~}
 
BillT, if you are asking that question of yourself, Sir, you're in serious trouble. This is especially true if he can find himself. If he can't find himself, it means he is in an altered state of consciousness, no fun.

About the Olympia, as bad as things may sound, she better off than her sister ship the USS Maine.
 
 
It will be a great tragedy if the USS Olympia is not saved.  She is a far more historic object than some of the newer ships.  Given the choice between preserving three Iowa class Battleships or just one of them and the Olympia, we need to keep Olympia.  While the USS New Jersey in Trenton, or the USS Wisconsin in Norfolk are neat, the only one of the class that is essential to preserve is USS Missouri in Pearl Harbor.

Do we really need to preserve USS Massachusetts in Fall RIver, MA, USS North Carolina in Wilmington, NC, and USS Alabama in Mobile, AL?  I would sacrifice any one (or even all three) to keep USS Olympia. 

The problem is that while all of these historic ships are "owned" by the Navy, the upkeep and museum and educational activities depends on a usually cash starved local group that has sold "their" particular ship for reasons that appeal to their donors and local volunteers.  Therefore it is not an easy "either - or" situation where you can just swap one ship for another.

Perhaps as the symbol of the struggle that liberated the Philippines from Spanish oppression, the Olympia's needs could be met by some pesos from a grateful Philippine government.  Yeah, fat chance of that happening.  Plan B- get friends in Congress to deduct the needed funds from planned foreign aid for the the Philippines next year and divert it to USS Olympia.  Plan C- prayerful reflection and wishing that some benefactor with deep pockets and a sense of history will write a check.  Failing that, she may well und up as scrap metal or an artificial reef.

If you want to see a pre-Dreadnaught iron/steel naval ship, this is one of the few left in the world.  Better visit while you can.

Every ship I served on has been scrapped, but a few deserve preservatin and Olympia is one of them.

There is a small cadre of volunteer history enthusiasts who have done enormous good keeping Olympia open and they should be praised and thanked!
 
Texas is in bad shape, too. 
 
I have been reading some on the web, about the state of Olympia. The consensus seems to be that the former director of the museum, Mr. Carter, is insufficiently punished by the 15-year prison sentence, and needs to be keelhauled under Olympia, with the nice sharp barnacles, and all. One suggested locking him in Olympia's brig and having him take his chances with the leaks and the pumps.
 
Not having time at the moment to dig into it - but one wonders (undestanding the cost issue) of what the chances would be of doing with Olympia (and, for that matter, Texas) what was done with Mikasa - literally beach them.  I could be wrong, but overall keeping them afloat is going to be more expensive, isn't it?  Just the curse of steel floating in brine, manganese ingots or no?
 
John (NTA), Looking for the USS New Jersey in Trenton, NJ, just might be a tough find. She's at the Camden, NJ Waterfront, you can see her from the Walt Whitman Bridge.
 
 
Just for clarity ---- it's the CITY of Olympia, and the STATE of Washington!!!  Sheesh........... where did you guys go to school?  "It's the water, the water, the water................."

:) ML
 
Um, I dunno Mike - where'd *you* go to school.

JTGs usage refers to... the physical condition, i.e., state, of Olympia...
 
Grumpy - J(NTA) can be given forebearance, I think.  Those of us who live out in in big square states (J(NTA) is a Utahn) which have counties bigger than most New England states, tend to get it all conflated.

C'mon, the I-435 ring road about Kansas City is only 30 miles shorter than the entire New Jersey Turnpike...
 
OK, so Mike L and I are headed to the wonderful environs of Ft. Dix next week.  While there, we will pay a visit to USS NJ, grab a lat/long on our handy dandy GPS equipped cell phone thingies, cross the river and do same at Olmypia so that this raging controversy can be settled once and for all.  BTW, we have searched the entire length of I-435 and cannot find a single battleship, just a few bass boats.
 
I'll try again - it was a play on words, simple punnery that ws obviously too vague.  "The water" reference was to an old Olympia Beer commercial, referencing the fact that it was bottled in Tumwater, WA, just south of Ft Lewis.  Therein lies the "state" of the confusion.  ML
 
Centurion - just take good pics of Olympia!  The Iowas will be around for a while longer, methinks.

 
HMS Victory has been stored dry for 70 years or more. Storing Olympia and Texas dry would stop the corrosion, and save some money, too. The drawings to which they were built still exist, I believe, so it would not be hard to build cradles which would preserve them and protect their hulls from distortion.
 
P.s. I believe there are some old subs which are stored in a dry state. (not meaning to insult Texas, here)