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Compare and contrast... [Updated]

I've kept my mouth shut on the shootings yesterday because... well, I don't know anything, so to speak.  And, after skimming through the news...  heh.  I still don't really know much more than before.

But there is an interesting compare and contrast from the coverage.

The Mainstreamers get on we bloggers because we don't fact-check.  For a distressing number of bloggers, it is a fair criticism.  Of course, perhaps we learned it from the Mainstreamers...  who have cut, among other things from the newsroom... fact-checkers. 

And the Mainstreamers go with the rumors for the same reasons the bloggers do - writing about an event, as I am, right now, 24 hours after the fact, is essentially just pissing up a rope, especially if you're a traffic whore, unless you're an Op-Ed writer.  The trope has been set and your swimming upstream.

She Who Will Be Obeyed (SWWBO, the Mistress of Castle Argghhh!) notes this on her Facebook page:

Fox News and Shepard Smith owe all veterans a huge apology after repeatedly insisting that the killer in Arizona was either an Afghanistan Vet or an Army Officer or maybe training to be in the Army today. The Army rejected his attempt to enlist. Why didn't Fox News (and other news outlets) do some research before reporting that this guy was in the military?
 
I admit - Shepard and his crowd on Fox make me gag and hit the "anything but this (or any other "news" show, they *all* blow regardless of their alphabet names) button on the remote, but this is the kind of crap, allied with the "oh so frickin' concerned" mien (and dude, your makeup sux, you look like a healthy Boy George sometimes) and outraged tone they take, but I digress.  They went with the easy-to-believe story that they're all primed to assume is true - the deranged veteran.  The real story, of course, is more complex, and less comfortable - especially to the left side of the 'sphere, who would have loved to have a PTSD-addled Palinite tea partier to blame, because, well, you just *know* that's the kind of people who do this sort of thing, right?

Seemingly just about everybody in the Mainstream was running with the "possible soldier, officer,  veteran, PTSD" trope - almost to the point of you wonder if it was a grand info-op on the part of the anti-war crowd or people who make money treating PTSD wanting something to help push their agendas (by which comment I do not intend to trivialize PTSD, it's sufferers (who are legion) and those who are genuinely trying to help - I'm after the shirt-rending, crocodile tear dripping disaster whore poseurs grinding axes and agendas and clamoring for air time).  Easy enough to start checking on enlistment status, and if you know the bubba was 22, well, grab one of your tame retired generals and ask about the likelihood of someone that age being an officer (answer- not damn likely unless they came out of New Mexico Military Institute or Wentworth Military Academy, the only two-year commissioning programs I'm aware of).  Pretty much 22 is the starting age for officers, and it's often older than that, but I digress. 

I won't even delve into the "what kind of gun was used" reportage.  I don't need to add bruxism to my list of medical issues.

Anyway - compare and contrast that with the guy in the story who was the *real* veteran, via this bit from newsitem.com

"I heard the shots but I thought they were fireworks at first," Bill Badger, a retired army colonel, said in a telephone interview Saturday afternoon. "I wasn't sure they were shots until I actually saw the shooter, and I was sure he was really shooting bullets when I felt the sting on the back of my head."

Although authorities would not confirm Saturday if Badger was at the scene of the shooting, Badger said he was grazed by a bullet in the back of his head. A local hospital confirmed later Saturday that Badger was treated and released for an undisclosed injury.
 
Commendable caution on the part of writer Leslie Richardson of the TIMES-SHAMROCK - he (or she) did some checking before just blurting the story out - doesn't have a firm answer, but has done some checking and found some possibly corroborating circumstantial evidence before going with the story - and done so in a way that allows for a proper follow-up either way.

Yeah, sure, I admit, I like this trope better than the one the Mainstreamers were spewing yesterday.  The press would do well to remember a key maxim of military life, especially in combat or high-stress situations: The first report is almost always wrong in key bits and is always incomplete.

[Update] Meet Daniel Hernandez, who clearly has a lot of sheepdog in him.

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 The first report is almost always wrong in key bits and is always incomplete...

Such as, the initial reports that the Congresswoman was dead at the scene. That's kind of a biggie, and falls under Fact-checking 101. Really. Basic. Stuff. And if you can't confirm, that's what you write... 
 
For Ms. Keating:

You state "...That's kind of a biggie, and falls under Fact-checking 101. Really. Basic. Stuff. And if you can't confirm, that's what you write... "

It's rather obvious that YOU will never succeed as a "journalist" for ABCNNBCBS or their dead-tree fellow travelers.  The REAL motto is "If you can't confirm, feed the party line."  After all, they're just following their original leadership with his assertion that "A lie told often enough becomes the truth."

 

I observed with interest the comments sections on the various news articles regarding this tragedy and didn't notice much of the 'deranged veteran' angle.

But what I did notice, with interest, was the almost immediate mass postings of nearly identical 'talking points' presumably from the  far-lefty types attacking the Tea Party, NRA and Sarah Palin with unusual vitriol.  The simularity and immediacy of the posts was, well, almost like they knew in advance and had their propaganda gin set up and ready to go.

Not suggesting anything, oh, no, no, no... just observing a mass coincidence in action.  The reds have a very good propaganda arm, or.....

As for the 'news' articles, shows etc.  Feh!  A pox on all their houses.  Pathetic.

 
you wonder if it was a grand info-op on the part of the anti-war crowd or people who make money treating PTSD

There was a lot of Propaganda already in the can ready to be unleashed upon the domestic target audience within minutes of any active shooter incident that could be used to smear Sarah Palin, the Tea Party, Conservatives, Republicans, veterans, gun owners, people with Gadsen Flag stickers on their trucks and opponents of illegal immigration. 

How much of this pre-planned product was disseminated over JournoList, v2, to sore losers trying to replicate Bill Clinton's success with the OKC Bombing?
 
 Mark... I covered national security and investigations for The Washington Times on a daily basis for *a whole lotta * years, and now do The 3 M's (murder, mayhem, military) for People magazine. Used to write a whole lot for Soldier of Fortune, too. All three of those publications are 110% behind the troops and vigilant about accuracy (People taking the prize for being flat-out fanatical). As for the bulk of the MSM, though... I don't know if they're driven more by ideology or by the pursuit of book deals and film options. But they sure know how to spin a story. I find plenty of fault with the general public, too, for being such passive consumers of whatever the MSM beams their way.
 
Yeah, I was thinking to myself, "Self, Mark may have stepped on a stick only to find out it was a cobra..."
 
I thought I was the only one who thinks Shepard Smith is a fingernails-on-a-blackboad-irritating train-wreck of an "anchor." I wonder if he's Roger Ailes' illegitimate son...then his hiring (to say nothing of tenure) would make more sense.

...never thought of the Boy George connection--good one, John!
 
Hey,SINCE WHEN do ABCNNBCBS or their dead-tree fellow travelers consider The Washington Times, People magazine, or Soldier of Fortune to be journalism, or their contributors to be journalists?  From what I have seen, they are held in even lower regard than Fox News, if such is even remotely possible...
 
Well really the news changed the story every 5 minutes.  I guess that's what breaking news does but it would be nice if they didn't run with every possibility, assumption and vague lead they had as if it were solid fact.

Fortunately the army quashed that little number before it grew up.  They do owe an apology too.  It's a very wide slur.  There was a bit of rather thin meat on the Sarah Palin one via a rather stupid political poster she had with crosshairs and the Congresswoman's name on it.  No doubt we'll hear more of the real nature of this guy and any associates as the machine whirrs into action.

News these days sell emotion.  It's really an addiction.  FOX are very good at it and that shows in the high readership.  Blogs may actually be better.


 
The spate of commentary on the initial reports I saw followed the "right wing has declaried war on democracy" party line.

The revelation that the shooter was a fan of Karl Marx hasn't resulted in a single retracted comment ...
 
The COL Badger twist on the story gets even more interesting as he was interviewed today by Fox News and related that after he was grazed in the head by a shot from the deranged assaliant, he helped tackle the shooter and along with another man, helped restrain him until the police arrived.

Well done, Colonel Badger!  (74 years young and still serving)
 
Ooops.  That bit about tackling the shooter was *supposed* to be in the post, Centurion.  That's why I was using it.  I blame the lack of coffee at that point in the day...
 
 I think Mark is right. Ms Susan could account for something if she minds her Ps & Qs, and pays attention to her betters. Then some day, she may be able to find employment with a proper media outlet, one that informs its readers with the truth; one day, perhaps.

Cheers
 
 From what I have seen, they are held in even lower regard than Fox News

Yep. Kind of irritates the MSM when they get scooped by non-fellow travelers...
 
}:-]
 
 Bill, Those of us who lived through the 'Nam era know better than to expect a retraction when it comes to their fellow travelers. It was sad to realize that I could get much the same version of the news about Vietnam from Radio Peking as I could from our own press. The European edition of Stars and Stripes was OK, but that was about it.
 
Q'master: There is probably no better example of this than the way the U.S. media reported the Tet Offensive of 1968. Tet '68 was a serious blow to Hanoi. The press reported it as a defeat for our side. Peter Braestrup wrote about this in his book Big Story: "Rarely has contemporary crisis-journalism turned out, in retrospect, to have veered so widely from reality."
 
Since I was not there, actually, I'm just thinking out loud. It has always been my experience, people tend to fear that which they do not understand. The word “Clueless”, should come to mind. There is no easy way through this, but as is often said here, “Details Matter!” I would hope the people who are trying to “inform us” would get the facts right first before publishing them. In situations like this, much of the population tend to do what I have just done. This means, “Painting with of very large brush”, it would be much rather to be able to give fine detail and not just emotions  or panic. They will never understand the damage done in this type of event.

@Ms. Susan Katz Keating, it is a shame that all of the reporting on the Tet  Offensive of 1968 was all done in retrospect. I know that is the description of your job to try to report the history of this event and not looking forward at the same event.   
 
"i have to admit, I'm a little surprised that Americans have begun shooting elected officials, instead of bankers." - Vox Day/

Well, yeah. This guy is a lunatic. A rational assassin would start with the banksters.
 
I spent some time on a BBC blog the last 24 hours (not non-stop) full of Americans and Brits.  Of course, besides the left blaming Palin, Beck and the other usual knuckle dragging suspects, the Brits had to get on their favorite high horse they jump on every time these things occur in this country: gun control, or as they see it the lack thereof.  Of course, I sometimes remind the Brits that Northern Ireland is a part of the UK and how well gun congtrol has worked there over the years...
 
Somebody commented at Vox Day's site, that the shooter was a socially autistic atheist. I beg to differ. Autistic folks, generally, are careful not to hurt other people, and righteous to extremes.  Most of  the autistic people with  whom I  hang on the Net  are  Christians.
 
Grumpy, that's why the Tet reporting was so outrageous. The journalists who covered it at the time had no clue what they were writing about. The only big-time journo who got it right was Braestrup. But he understood combat - he had been wounded fighting in Korea. The good news is, the contemporary reports have faded, whereas Braestrup's book is now acknowledged as true.
 
"The good news is, the contemporary reports have faded, whereas Braestrup's book is now acknowledged as true."

Unfortunately, this doesn't alter the fact that the Left was able to use their bogus narrative at the time to sap American will for the Vietnam War effort, which ensured a defeat for us and victory for the Communists.

The Left will continue to use the power they still have to spread lies, innuendos, and half truths because they know the power of being able to make the FIRST IMPRESSION.  People's attitudes and opinions - and thus policy - are shaped and molded by these first impressions and the emotions generated by first reports.  Corrections to stories printed on Page F-32 or aired at 2:30 AM,  four or five days after the fact, don't have the same impact.

IMHO, the benefit of today's new media is that people have become more and more aware of the Left's lies and their bias.  I think this past year's experience with the Tea Party is that the MSM is still lost in the fog of their own bias, and they still don't understand that their attempts to malign the Tea Party and conservatives has backfired and will continue to do so.

I personally hope they continue to scoff at the fundamental importance of the Constitution as it's written and I hope they continue to try to paint Tea Partiers as crazy, violent, right-wing wackos.

Every time they do this, the majority of normal, peaceful, law-abiding American folk will recognize their shrill Leftist hysteria for what it is.

At least, I hope so.
 
Unfortunately, this doesn't alter the fact that the Left was able to use their bogus narrative at the time to sap American will for the Vietnam War effort, which ensured a defeat for us and victory for the Communists.

They had help.  Those ops-hampering ROEs and MacNamara [spits] were right in there with them...
 
Indeed, there were a lot of factors in Vietnam.  But I often doubt that we'd have won WW2 if the media had been as liberal and anti-war effort  back then.  Even with the quality of leadership we had in WW2, I think American will would have been sapped as much if news reels had been shown in theaters of mass American casualties at Tarawa, Normandy, the Bugle, Okinawa, etc., or massive civilian casualties caused by the Allied bombings of Dresden, Tokyo, Schweinfurt, etc., all while proclaiming American barbarism, cruelty, aggression, and engagement in a "lost cause" against the "legitimate", popularly-elected governments in Germany,  Italy and Japan.
 
 Well... I'm still irked over the Patton incident. I definitely blame the media for that bit of idiocy...
 

Let us not forget the actions of 'Americas most trusted man' Uncle Walter Cronkite and his part in the Tet propaganda.  His later years have revealed his political leanings, but at the time, nobody knew where his true affiliations lay.  His pronoucement that we had 'lost' the Tet offensive to the communists started the ball rolling and is perhaps one of the first times that an American newsman became a commentator devoid of any 'objectivity.'

Give the man a 'Duranty' award, appropriately colored blood red.
 
Still can't forgive Cronkite for that one!!  He's in my file under "Hell is To Good" along with Hanio Jane and Kerry.
The anti-gun folks are really going to get some mileage out of this one.  "Did you know that in Arizona that anyone can "conceal carry" without a background check"!!!  And the "extended mag." is getting a lot of coverage.
 
 He's in my file under "Hell is To Good" along with Hanoi Jane and Kerry

There is no statute of limitations on a felony. Treason is a serious crime... and should be prosecuted.
 
Yeah, as if THAT is gonna happen!
 

Well... I'm still irked over the Patton incident. I definitely blame the media for that bit of idiocy...

Susan, I'm wondering; how do you mean that? Are you upset that Patton slapped the crap out of two enlisted men, or that the press reported what happened?


 
Casey, I'm irked that the incident became so huge, and that it diverted our best commander from doing his job.

Much has been said about Patton slapping a stressed-out soldier. We forget, though... that incident included *two* soldiers who were fresh from combat.
 
 This thread has covered a great deal of history, including some events around GEN  George Patton. Included was the events about the slapping of the two soldiers. Let's not forget, history has a way of getting even, this is even true with a man like George Patton. During the event's leading up to D-Day Normandy. It was always Eisenhower's plan that Patton would never be ready. Rommel figured, if there was an attack, Patton was going to lead it. To understand this, we need to step back and look at the big picture. Normandy was not the only act in town. During the preparations for Normandy, Eisenhower spent an extended amount of time in England. During this time, there were many issues that needed to be resolved before D-Day could even start to prepare. There were more than enough personality conflicts to resolve. But there was a point in time, when things could actually be done in preparation for Normandy. Eisenhower wanted to keep the Nazis gassing from what direction he was going to come, there were many. There was a point in time when Patton started to get an inflated ego. He decided to confront Eisenhower about when he was going to get his troops and supplies. This was the wrong move with the wrong person at the wrong time. Eisenhower had the ability for appropriate behavior, sometimes it was nice and sometimes it was not so nice, even very abrasive. Eisenhower had all legendary temper and George Patton was going to get Eisenhower's undivided  attention, by the way, you never wanted to be the target. Eisenhower and Patton had a "private discussion", when it was over, Patton was leaving and he had a pink blush on his face. You could say he had a “radical attitude adjustment”, he got with the program. I knew some of the people who witnessed parts of this event. This was not an event that Eisenhower wanted, but was required, in light of the  mission to do with General  Patton.