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Hmmmm. The OER system is *not* popular...

...at least among the people who frequent the CAC website.

Every week the Combined Arms Center runs a web poll on their public website.

Last week they asked about the Officer Efficiency Report...  the results were, um, *not* encouraging.

Last weeks poll results

Are Army Officer Evaluation Reports helping produce better officers?

Yes: 7% | No: 93% | Total Responses: 2183
 

Mind you, it's an internet poll, with all the caveats that go with those, but if I were in the leadership I'd certainly be looking at asking the question again, under more controlled conditions.  No evaluation system is perfect, and people who are unhappy with it are more likely to respond to a poll like this, so it probably overstates the level of dissatisfaction.

That said - that is *still* a pretty lop-sided result that I'd want to follow-up on.

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Well, Armorer, you nailed it without trying to: "Controlled OERS", that repulsive quota system that was thrown on us back in the 70's. Only so many Nines could be awarded, whereas anyone doing their job could get a nine beforehand.

The "Controlled" system was touted by many as a way to break the de-facto standard of OER inflation, but all it did was re-institute the feudal system. You had to kiss a lot of patoot to get a nine then. Patootey-kissing company-grade officers generally DON'T make good field grade officers, and we all know what happens when we get patootey-kissing SENIOR officers...we get Wesley Clarks and Merrill McPeaks.
 
I was the only CW4 in my unit in '93. I was also the only OH-6 Standardization Instructor Pilot, the only AH-1 Instructor Pilot, the only Instrument Flight Evaluator, and the only -- OJT -- Safety Officer. My Immediate Rater top-blocked me.

My Senior Rater kicked it back, saying that, since I was the only one in that particular group, that *automatically* made me the center of mass.

And the beauty of that shafting was, I couldn't even begin to formulate a rebuttal...
 
 This is an interesting view, but it has been all been said here, before, “Details matter”and “Context matters”. John, you yourself have said, “Mileage may differ.” This is a true statement, all of these must be considered in looking at the results of this “poll.” Even the ideas that governed our  previous wars, just may  be a poor foundation to move this new type of warfare. Personally, I started to write comments for different threads, but my brain said, “Stop, Look at what you're saying.” I found myself deleting the whole comment, because it was the right thing to do. This was an important turning point in my personal understanding of this situation. We need to be willing to step back, this is a completely different type of warfare. Therefore, we need to approach it differently. Many people tend to run on their own experiences, rather than the reality of what is there. This is not about Army Doctrine, or any other branches doctrine. Rather than ask this type of question, it might have been better or more informative to use this questionnaire to a very highly selected audience. I am not trying to control the results, but asking for more informed opinion. Even now, I am extrapolating different life experiences, to come to this opinion.

Respectfully, Grumpy

Even after writing this, you may say, “Grumpy, does not get it.” You just may be right, only history will tell.
 
If 93% is indicative, there some real bile out there.

How do you pick a good military officer?  They always do what command likes?  Underling  popularity?  Must be worse in peacetime.
 
John did say that it was an internet poll with all the caveats.  Namely, the same person voting from different computers multiple times would skew the results, especially if you didn't know how many times he/she voted, or called others who were not military and told them what to say.

The margin of error is going to be double digits, but even for laughs and giggles, let's say that 100 votes were from either one person or friends of that person who voted negatively.  That is still  less than 5%.  That means the majority would still be over 1900 who are *not happy*.

It does deserve looking at.

But then again, I am just a bean counter who is almost finished with her training.  I have one more class after this Defense Against the Dark Arts class (where we are taught to hide the Horcruxes.  Income Tax accounting was how to *make* them)

 
No system will work unless it is (at least mostly) objective. Since we ain't objective creatures (mostly) all systems will eventually include a high level of suckage.

I'd like to get away from the numbers game and require individually written evaluations. Except that the number of raters who are unable to write will produce suckage for their subordinates. And the good writers will unfairly promote their proteges.

Wrasslin' is out (I'm too feeble to show well there).

Even brown nosin' doesn't work reliably. I've seen master brown nosers try it out on the wrong guy and find their nose stapled to their kneecap.

I think we're fated to continue a semi organized paper jostling five legged race. Backwards.
 
Look, how ELSE are they going to get their Perfumed Princes like Colin Powell and Col. Denise Lind?
 
It's like Lake Wobegon. All of the officers are above average.

I mind, back in ROTC, when I had to fill out a pretend OER, getting remonstrated at by Captain whatshisname because I wasn't effusive enough in my praise of the ratee. I mean, the guy I was "rating" was perfectly adequate, and in the middle of the range. I think this is known as "grade inflation" in the colleges and universities.
 
What I don't understand is why 'Top of Mass' and Center of Mass is important unless we are running numbers for salaries and promotions/retention.  Isn't that a Quality Control thing?
Not being on the Inside Loop, as it were, the only reason I can think of for this rating system is that the computer reads the mass and the rater reads the verbage, and then they powwow as to who gets the promotion, who is retained, and who is weeded out.
 
I like the concept of 360 rating, but have not had any real experience with it.  Anyone out there with experience speak up please.
Having seen truely incompetent officers get good ratings I know the current system is serious flawed.
 
Isn't that a Quality Control thing?

Yup. Somebody read Deming's book on quality management, decided that you could treat people like manufactured goods, and sweet-talked the clueless in the Puzzle Palace into going with it.

If US senior officers knew how to write as well as the Brits,

This officer has hit bottom and, when last observed, was beginning to dig...

there wouldn't be the ridiculous emphasis on trying to quantify quality.

The Sovietization of the US military continues apace...
 
Onkel Bill hast recht! I can't make any sense out of what Cricket wrote; makes my eyes glaze over.
 
@ JTG pffffttt..  Heh.  Basically, if you know what an actuary does (they lie awake at night and write calculations for loss prevention and loss and run numbers for same), the OER reads like an actuarial calculation.  In other words, an actuary is why your insurance company will tell you to hit the ($*&%)$ squirrel instead of swerving out of its way.  Same with OERs.  The Top of Mass and Center of Mass seems like it is part of a formula for quality control.