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Heh. Look at all those intended and unintended consequences... - UPDATED

Because I know you want to know... for $20 million in cash and some signatures on a piece of paper, more formally known as the Treaty of Paris, today in 1898 the US gained possession of the Philippines, Puerto Rico, and Guam. Thus endeth the Spanish-American War and thus did we enter the international stage as a major... player - though it would take until 1945 for us and others to really accept that.

This would be distinct from the *other* Treaty of Paris, in 1783, which formally established the independence of these United States.  Heh.  Can you imagine what today's Dems would do if presented with a treaty that opened thusly:

The Definitive Treaty of Peace 1783

In the name of the most holy and undivided Trinity.
 
Snerk.  We'd still be colonies, or fighting.  
UPDATE:

I thought that you'd all like to see what those $20-M bought you.  I took this picture back in '86.  What can I say about it?  All those flying rats are dead (though their offsprings still polute Old San Juan).  The kid is all grown-up and most likely has kids of his own by now.  The 60ish looking lady is in an old home, and the 40ish man is now in his 60's.  But the timeless chapel at the end of Cristo Street still stands.

I BTW owe my own existence to President McKinley's splendid little war.  The father of the mother of my father, you see, came to my island as a PFC in the Army Signal Corps.  He liked the island so much that the first thing he did upon landing in Ponce, was to find himself a creole belle and make babies.  In 1910, Grandma was born one door down from that chapel.  And the rest as they say, it's history.



Boq

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Can we give Puerto Rico back to Spain and let them keep the $20 million?


 
Careful there, J(NTA) - Boquisucio might come after you...
 
Can you imagine what today's Dems would do if presented with a treaty that opened thusly:

Sure. They'd sanctimoniously pontificate that they would refuse to be bound by any document obviously penned by fundamentalist religious extremist fanatic homophobic wingnut enemies of the People's Democratic Republic of the United States...

 
 I want to go to Puerto Rico again - one day there was not enough.  I found it a beautiful island with mostly nice people.

Certainly nicer than people on the island of Manhattan!
 
I told you Boq might go after you...  

We've been there, Boq, back in our brief 2008 visit.  That exact place.  I took a rest on the chain across the road that is at about the place the picture snapper was standing.

As for Manhattan, dear - there are a lot of 'Rican's living there!
 
Counterpoint:

Art. 11. As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion,—as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquility, of Mussulmen,—and as the said States never entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mahometan nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.

Treaty of Tripoli, 1797. Ratified by John Adams.

Just sayin'.
 

Um, okay.  Help this ignorant untututored square state rube out, Orson - what *is* the counterpoint?

Me, I was just mocking the rigidity of doctrinaire politicians for an easy laugh.

I would have approached it differently were the Republicans the target.  Something along the lines of "This treaty was clearly negotiated by Pat Robert's great-great-great-great-great Grandfather" or such. 

Just sayin'...

 
Reading my response above - it might come across a little more hostile than I intended...
 
Hostility?  Here....at the Castle??
Shirley, you jest!!
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 Orsonroy is pointing out that the US Govt hostility towards groups such as the Muslim Brotherhood, Al Qaida, etc, is precluded by treaty and thus illegal. Any such hostility must be grounded upon hostility not engendered by petty details such as "Allah is mighty", Mohammed is greater than Jesus, and the infidel must convert or die.

Cheers
 
Heh.  Which has exactly *what* to do with the post, but I digress!
 
Actually, I'm mentioning that religion has no place in Realpolitik, at least in the "modern" era. The Treaty of Paris mentioning the Trinity means nothing at all, since that's primarily a "Catholic thing", and definitely isn't a traditional USA/WASP "thing", and so doesn't really reflect any part of American ideals, either then or now. It was probably thrown in by some Froggie stenographer who didn't know any better.

It's nice to see something as old as the Treaty of Tripoli stating it so baldly: We're the USA, not some two-bit member of the Protestant League (or whomever) and don't wander around with THAT specific baggage when dealing with foreigners. It might be nice to *snerk* at the Dems with similar wording on a modern bill and their predictable reaction, but they'd be right.

 
Okay - so you were just hijacking the thread, a time-honored practice.  But around here, on a Friday - making us think is just mean.
 
Come on, DL Sly!  Get it right!

Shirley, you can't be serious!

In memory of the late great Leslie Nielson...
 
I live about 8 miles from there. Other than Federal employees the people of PR pay no Federal income tax. The American taxpayer gives the Commonwealth of PR about 18 billion dollars a year, not including WIC or HUD housing or the 1.5 billion we are spending this year to rebuild the ports just down the hill from the chapel. There are a lot of great people and loyal Americans here but we also have the highest murder rate under the American flag (by far) and fully half the illegal drugs entering the US come through PR. As for government, think Louisiana in the '50s. The populace is split about evenly between folks that want to be a State and the ones that just like getting the 18 billion a year with very little oversight. The people of PR or the Congress need to make a decision.
 
Orsonroy, You write, “Actually, I'm mentioning that religion has no place in Realpolitik, at least in the  “modern” era.” This may be true, but it raises another question, “does 'Realpolitik' have a place in 'Real Life'?” It is amazing how much the “Realpolitik” has*really*screwed up our lives. If you don't think so, ask an air traveler. At least with religion, you have a choice, with these politicians, on both sides, you have no choice. I don't care if you're talking about all branches of government and the politicians, they have all become a royal pain in the........ (Dang Rulez!)
 
Funny about that "catholic Thing" teh treaty was between the US and Great Britain. France merely hosted the treaty talks.

As for the Treaty of Tripoli, John Adams didn't ratify it, the Senate does that. The statement on religion is also ahistorical in that principles on which the country was founded were found only in Protestant Christian countries. Adams was a Unitarian whose opinion changed over the years and he was in the throws of that change as president. A look at Adams statements prior to that treaty certainly deviate from that statement.

Like it or not, any :"realpolitik" that ignores religion will be doomed to fail. The religionists of pieces are rubbing that in the collective faces of the world at the moment.
 
You know, if we move Guam next to Puerto Rico and kinda lean them against each other, we could keep both of them from capsizing.  Might take some time, though, I'm not sure if Guam could fit through the canal.
 
I'm afeared that Guam would either have to round Horn through the Drake Passage, or around Australia and though the roaring 40s then around Africa.