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Many targets are far away...

...or are hiding on the back sides of hills or in the urban canyons. For those, you grab the High Angle sticks.   If your maximum ordinate is high enough, you have to call Dusty and make sure it's okay with him.  Bill, not so much.
Somewhere, somewhen in the sandbox, some Redlegs engage in some High Angle fires... 
Somewhere, somewhen in the sandbox, some Redlegs engage in some High Angle fires...
 
Other targets are closer -  and you snag the Low Angle sticks from the fire direction kit.  Or, worse yet, you, as the Gunner, can *see* them (we prefer to leave that kind of simple gunnery to the DATs* and DAGs*) and you have to resort to the (shudder) gunner's elbow telescope (this being the M114) and go all direct fire on 'em.

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Maj. Gen. Tod Carmony, the commander of the 38th Infantry Division, and former commanders yank the lanyard together firing the last round for the M198 howitzer during a retirement ceremony for the M198 at Camp Atterbury Joint Maneuver Training Center, Ind., on September 18, 2010. The M198 howitzer is being replaced by the M777 howitzer, which is smaller and approximately 40 percent lighter.
 
Oh, who am I kidding - today they use the computers the Auld Soldier and I (and many many others) helped develop for them over the years.  Unless they can see the target.  And if they can, well, the DATs and DAGs have flunked their MTEP tasks! 

And that concludes today's Moment of Gunner Zen.

*DAT= Dumb-A$$ Tanker.
*DAG=Dumb-A$$ Grunt.

Terms of endearment, I assure you.

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What goes up must come down, unless you made it go up too much.  Computers are wonderful things.  I'm just barely old enough to know the awful things engineers had to do before they existed, but just young enough to have never had to do it myself.
 
...and go all direct fire on 'em.

Gunner's elbow telescope?

*pffft*

Orient in their cardinal direction and unload Beehive on 'em...

 
BTDT on field expedient data computation, Rich.  In the same place, too...

Bill - only the 105's had beehive.  Us Big Boys hadda use HE in Killer Junior.
 
Or stuff a laundry bag full of gravel in and go Charge 5.
 
Laundry bag full of gravel!?!  They never mentioned that at FAOAC!

But, I like it!
 
Yeah, tell ya what, Maj Mike - you can stand in Danger Area Bravo when that stuff hits the muzzle brake...
 
Greetings:

My favorite (DAG) Platoon Sergeant was fond of saying, "Privates see what's on this side of the hill; Sergeants have to see what's on the other side."

Back during my all-expense-paid tour of sunny Southeast Asia, one of the really interesting parts of the workday was when we were setting up for the night and called in our first Delta Tango (determined target) so that the jungle-averse EarenSchplittenLoudenBoomer boys could find us in the dark.  It did tend to remind one (DAG) of the importance of accurate map reading.
 
Hey John...just got back from that tour of the Bulge and it was pointed out on a few occasions that the big guns were IN the front and had to bore-sight on those pesky Germans. Could you imagine the dancing being done on a reload??
 
the M198........coming to the front lawn of a VFW near you!

ok, maybe not..unfortunately they don't seem to do that anymore...but it would be cool if they did......

the newest thing I've seen in front of a VFW/legion post has been an M76 otter
 
Well, IIRC, we oft-times did send one or two of our own with you (at least your Company Commander) to help with that task.  At least I know I spent a fair amount of time as a Lieutenant doing the detail navigation for my supported DAT and DAG commanders. 

Especially the map-reading part.  Y'all were really prone to whining when we put the round right where you asked us to, but were unclear as to where you were in relation to it...

The DATs were especially prone to being satisfied knowing roughly where they were to, oh, 4 digits. 
 
The M198s are going to be held in reserve for a while, and offered up for sale to other nations.

When they surplused out the M110A1 howitzers (the self-propelled 8inchers) in the 90's, if you were close enough to places like Fort Sill and Fort Riley you could score one of those, because we were phasing out the whole shebang.  There are several VFW/Legion halls in Oklahoma and Kansas who have M110A1s in front of them.

So, maybe someday...
 
My BIL is a nut-and-bolt turner for the big guns.  He told me about the phase out a while ago.  To say he was *unhappy* is an understatement.  Of course, he's a bit old school (MH's younger brother) and isn't as impressed with the new 77's.  Methinks, though, that that is because things break a whole lot easier on the new guns than the niner-eights.
*snicker*
TINS!
A few years ago there was a British arty detachment at Pendleton conducting joint training on their big, shiny new gun.  "Unbreakable!" claimed the Brits, as they detailed the numerous attempts - both deliberate and accidental -- to crack, break or otherwise make unusable assorted parts and pieces fo their big shiny.  And their claims *were* true....until BIL got his hands on it.  Within minutes, and completely unintentionally, said gun was returned to mainside for repairs.
We've told him several times that he should seek a job in Quality Control after retirement from the Corps.  If it lasts a day with him using it, it'll never need repairs.
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Speaking as a former DAG (actually a DAM - 91B10 Field Medic, to be precise), I should point out to you the charge given to His Majesty's By God Royal Horse Arillery during the latest Big Unplesantness;

The role of the Royal Artilleryman is, as it has ever been, to fight his gun, forgetful of self, to the last round in support of other arms.

Ahem.

On a related note, once upon a time, when I was stationed up at Fort Crumble with the Puking Buzzards, a bunch of folks from that very same pony art'y (a battery? buttery? nunnery?) came over to swill cheap beer and Show The Yanks How It Is Done. Although they were all well-outfitted in that weird Brit DP camo, and had properly subdued paint jobs on trucks and carriages, for some reason, all of their tubes (105's, I believe) were shiny bare metal. What was that all about? I think I have a picture somewhere about of them at the base car wash, shining up their guns.

The newest thing I've seen in front of a VFW/legion post has been an M76 otter


One of the VFW's in our area has a UH-1H on a stick out front, while another has an M-50 Ontos, next to the umbiqitis M-48.

 
John the BadPest - I understand well the mission, and would sooner sell your sister than willingly surrender a gun.

And would *never* diss a combat medic.  There is no such thing as a DAM.

As for the shiny parts of the tubes - those are bearing surfaces relating to the recoil system and gun mount.
 
The VFW or the Legion - one of those old guy drinking clubs (duck) - up in Sanford has a Priest 105mm parked on the front lawn, visible from US 1.

The two Legion Posts in Spring Lake don't have anything fun.

So, John - what would the fuze setting on an HE round be to go *boom* at the closest allowable distance?  And what would that distance be?
 
There are many variables to your question, HL.  Most of which I can't answer off the top of my head - but can when I get home and can crack open a TFT.
   
Arrg, I just went looking, and most of my pics from back then are in A Special Place, somewheres. No, it wasn't any of the bearing surfaces, the actual tube, where the fast moving thingys come out the end, was all nice and shiny. Really stuck out in the midst of so much dark green and camo. Will keep looking for the pic.

I dunno about the DAM thing, I sure was called one on a number of occasions, mostly on that "special" sick call Wednesday mornings, when it was all hands in to the dispensary. 1.2 mil units of Penicillin in each hip must hurt a bit, I've been told.
 
DAT; I'm offended. I retired a DC-DAT (digitaly computerized- dumb A$$ tanker)
 
So, Eric, you were dumb at the speed of light?
 
"...you were dumb at the speed of light?"

*puts down 40' pole, goes to get a beer*
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 (Sigh)
"Ubique": All over the place ...

Cheers
 
You may wish to exercise a bit of discretion on the DAT and DAg terminology. Since they've moved in togetehr down at Benning they could conspire against you and decide to nip the bud, so to speak, by staging an informal FTX at Sill.
 
I am in favor of never letting them get close enough to see the whites of their eyes. Dang neurotypicals,  alway wanting you to look them in the eye when killing them.
 
I hear that dead tankers are easy to bury, at least. After the thing cools down, you look for four or five solidified puddles of silver, from their fillings and the coins in their pockets. I have no idea what the melting point of dog tag metal is.
 
Dang! Did I just kill another thread? Sorry about that, Chief!
 
I finally looked at the high and low-angle sticks. Those are just nomograms with hairline to help you read them. I love nomograms. I am an analog person, at heart. Now, if you had me in charge of a mortar, I wouldn't even need that. I am also a "That looks about right" person. It's much more important to pack up the mortar and GTFO before the inevitable counter-battery fire arrives. All God's chillun got radar, these days. 
 
When we flew BUFFs in 'Nam, we would get warnings over Guard, mostly in IV Corps area, of Max Ord, around coordinates of targets were were going to obliterate with our airborne artillery. I figured that these warnings also gave the slopes enough time to dive into their holes, but hopefully, the distribution of 250 or so 750# GP bombs, all going off within a 400X1500 foot box, would have created sufficient overpressure to make those spider holes into final Resting Places.
 
A box that size combined with the kind of ordnance would be worse than danger close. I expect you're right about the overpressure in such a situation.