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Ouch and some Gun Pr0n...

Testing an anti-tank missile...  The caption with the video reads, "Fully armored Syrian tank being hit by an Israeli laser-guided, steel-penetrating, phosphorous-filled "hand held" rocket. "

 



Just a warning that clicking through on that link (just hitting the start button is okay) will bring up NSFW ads along the border of the video.

Continuing the ballistics theme that Boq started today, there's this that JMH sent along

We'll have to try that when the pond freezes over.

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I was surprised by the TOF - 9 seconds is a long time to hold a lase.  Also, isn't this pressing the limits of the Laws of Land Warfare?  Hard to defend that the phosphorous is being used against equipment.  Hell of a way to die.
 

That looked like a quicker death than the guys who were shot-up on the "Highway of Death" departing Kuwait City, Mike.  Blast-overpressure then pretty much immediate ammunition cook-off.

 
I'd be real interested in seeing what was left of that tank after that
 
You have a point, John.  Don't remember if you've seen my pictures from that day, but it was pretty gruesome, and most of the remains were pretty charred.  When my gunnery instructor at the Basic Course told us that we could not use WP, or .50 cal for that matter, against troops - just equipment, he quickly reminded us that everyone wears LBE.  That was Marine 1LT John B.  Mostly just wondering.  I've always been for weapons that work.
 
Dang it - meant to add that visually tracking the projectile makes my point about lasing.  A last second adjustment saves the shot.  That was a very interesting veer to the left.

ML
 
There's a second video (on YouTube) in the comment thread for the spinning bullet which shows the same result .

It's amazing how many self-appointed experts in video production & physics showed up in that thread, explaining how they could deduce the event was fake from a 35-second-long video clip. :)

 
The caption with the video reads, "Fully armored Syrian tank being hit by an Israeli laser-guided, steel-penetrating, phosphorous-filled "hand held" rocket. "

And the caption is a lie.

That's a cut from a promo for the Bofors BILL II top-attack missile. The Swedish Army graciously provided the gunners and RC target for the -- *koff* -- shoot.
 
I wasn't all that convinced of the caption, which is why I included it.  I also wasn't all that convinced it was in Israel, either.

But oft-times in the morning I'm lazy and leave it up to you guys to pick this stuff apart!
 
We'll have to try that when the pond freezes over.

And you'll see the same thing, as long as it's not a *clear* ice freezeover -- the vid shows rime, so there's a lot of tiny air bubbles trapped in it. The heat from the bullet is both melting the ice surrounding the little air pockets and heating the released air, and the combination creates instant tiny asymmetrical steam jets -- the mini-reactions are *bouncing* the bullet, not spinning it.
 
You guys are fast. I was away just a couple of minutes to find this Discovery channel video.

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ARjuTKdiIk
 
Hell of a way to die.

There ain't many *good* ways to go inside a tank.

The BILL II shoots a penetrator through the roof and the friction sets off a pyrophoric reaction inside the tank.

Which is a PC way of saying it sets the *air* on fire.

 
This clip has been making the email rounds for a while.
BillT has the right of it, as I can remember seeing the same clip
in a Discovery Channel production series on modern weapons
over a decade ago. I think the Series was called Blast Force.
A quick youtube search turned up the the same clip:
www.youtube.com/watch
A carefull look at the treeline in the background will confirm
that it is the same video. Another look at "Bill II" is here:
www.youtube.com/watch
As can be seen, while it is man portable, it is scarcely
"hand held", or 'shoulder fired'.
 
 Why is the projectile base so clean and shiny?
 
British tankers in WWII referred to the quick burn and blow when the ammo and/or fuel caught fire as "brewing up."  Of course they also referred to taking a break for tea in a radio message to the unit commander in the same way, "Permission to brew up, sir?"
 
Hard to defend that the phosphorous is being used against equipment. Hell of a way to die.
I don't care how the enemy dies, as long as he dies before he can try to kill me.
That should be the first and only rule of warfare, at all levels (from the simple infantry soldier to the decisions of nationstates).
It's kill or be killed, and if you get soft and start saying "we should kill only in nice ways" you've already lost.
 
When my gunnery instructor at the Basic Course told us that we could not use WP, or .50 cal for that matter, against troops - just equipment, he quickly reminded us that everyone wears LBE.

That "You can't use .50 cal against troops" is a Lefty invention dating back to Vietnam. John ("I got three Purple Hearts!") Kerry said, "...I used illegal weapons, including .50 caliber machineguns..." as an example of his having committed war crimes.

There is *no* prohibition, in any of the Geneva or Hague Conventions, against using Ma Deuce (or any other large-caliber weapon) against enemy personnel.