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Living in bubbles, facilitated by Al "Release my Chakra" Bore

The innertubes being what they are, most of us choose to live in comfy bubbles of like-mindedness.  Since those of us who actually hang out here (vice mostly live and interact in meatspace, like normal people) we tend to be... combative and snarky.  Probably why we're not all that welcome in the real world...  As I've found while trying to build a place that can be the overlap zone in a venn diagram, that's damn hard to do on the internet.

But!  If you embrace it, you can live a life of happy-happy-joy-joy, by picking and choosing your infostreams, and just reinforce your preferred world-view all ya want!  Latest case in point.

As a Man of Large Shadow, this story was not happy-happy-joy-joy making, and did not fit my preferred world-view.

Study: Belly bulge can be deadly for older adults.

If your pants are feeling a bit tight around the waistline, take note: Belly bulge can be deadly for older adults, even those who aren't overweight or obese by other measures.

One of the largest studies to examine the dangers of abdominal fat suggests men and women with the biggest waistlines have twice the risk of dying over a decade compared to those with the smallest tummies.

Surprisingly, bigger waists carry a greater risk of death even for people whose weight is "normal" by the body mass index, or BMI, a standard measure based on weight and height.

"Even if you haven't had a noticeable weight gain, if you notice your waist size increasing that's an important sign," said lead author Eric Jacobs of the American Cancer Society, which funded the study. "It's time to eat better and start exercising more."

Other research has linked waist size to dementia, heart disease, asthma and breast cancer.

Just what I need.  Breast cancer wrecking these magnificent man-boobs I've spent a decade building.  To hell with that.  I want a second opinion.  After all, that's just a prudent thing to do before you toss your whole life over because some fat-loathing sunken-chested pencil-necked geek with no personal gravity well wants to be a hater, right?  So, I looked to alternate medical traditions to find my answer.  I found my bubble-reinforcer in China:

A venerable Chinese Doctor responds to my  forwarded belly fat article. 

Q: Doctor, I've heard that cardiovascular exercise can prolong life. Is this true?

A: Your heart only good for so many beats, and that it...don't waste on exercise. Everything wear out eventually. Speeding up heart not make you live longer; it like saying you extend life of car by driving faster. Want to live longer? Take nap.

Q: Should I cut down on meat and eat more fruits and vegetables?

A: You must grasp logistical efficiency. What does cow eat? Hay and corn. And what are these? Vegetables. So steak is nothing more than efficient mechanismof delivering vegetables to your system. Need grain? Eat chicken. Beef also good source of field grass (green leafy vegetable). And pork chop can give you 100% of recommended daily allowance of vegetable product.

Q: Should I reduce my alcohol intake?

A: No, not at all. Wine made from fruit. Brandy is distilled wine, that mean they take water out of fruity bit so you get even more of goodness that way. Beer also made of grain. Bottom up!

Q: How can I calculate my body/fat ratio?

A: Well, if you have body and you have fat, your ratio one to one. If you have two bodies, your ratio two to one, etc.

Q: What are some of the advantages of participating in a regular exercise program? A: Can't think of single one, sorry. My philosophy is: No pain...good!

Q: Aren't fried foods bad for you?

A: YOU NOT LISTENING! Food are fried these day in vegetable oil. In fact, they permeated by it. How could getting more vegetable be bad for you?!?

Q: Will sit-ups help prevent me from getting a little soft around the middle?

A: Definitely not! When you exercise muscle, it get bigger. You should only be doing sit-up if you want bigger stomach.

Q: Is chocolate bad for me?

A: Are you crazy?!? HEL-LO-O!! Cocoa bean! Another vegetable! It best feel-good food around!

Q: Is swimming good for your figure?

A: If swimming good for your figure, explain whale to me..

Q: Is getting in shape important for my lifestyle?

A: Hey! 'Round' a shape!

See?  It's the damned sit-ups that did it!

Well, I hope this has cleared up any misconceptions you may have had about food and diets and exercise.

And remember Bill Tuttle said, oh, back in the 14th Century, after he invented Chardonnay and stole chocolate from the Aztecs (contrary to popular belief, it wasn't the Spaniards, it was Bill, he just bogarted it all until the Spanish brought it back themselves):

Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in an attractive and well-preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways - Chardonnay in one hand - chocolate in the other - body thoroughly used up, totally worn out and screaming "WOO-HOO, what a ride!!"

Yanno, like Ted Kennedy did.

AND.....

For those of you who watch what you eat, here's the final word on nutrition and health. It's a relief to know the truth after all those conflicting nutritional studies.

1. The Japanese eat very little fat
and suffer fewer heart attacks than Americans.

2. The Mexicans eat a lot of fat
and suffer fewer heart attacks than Americans...

3. The Chinese drink very little red wine
and suffer fewer heart attacks than Americans.

4. The Italians drink a lot of red wine
and suffer fewer heart attacks than Americans.

5. The Germans drink a lot of beer and eat lots of sausages and fats and suffer fewer heart attacks than Americans.

CONCLUSION:

Eat and drink what you like.
Speaking English is apparently what kills you.

24 Comments

Heh you almost convined me to retreat from the rather painstaking diet and exercise regime I have subjected myself too.

Almost

The one thing I have regretted thus far is the lack of dark beer. For that I am ready to maim people 
 
Eat, drink and be merry!!
 
Two things:

1. American chardonnay is awful. It's wine for people who need an excuse to keep holding a half-full glass at a post-modern novelist's book-signing party.

2. According to the official Body Mass Index sites, I -- older-than-rock-chips, six-foot-even, 187 pounds, with a 34-inch waist and still capable of hoisting a 225-pound rock chest high and staggering off with it -- am "morbidly obese"...
 
Greetings:

As a firm believer that every meal should contain items from the five major food groups (salt, sugar, fat, alcohol, caffeine), I would really like to get the name and address of the honorable Chinese Doctor.

Also, as my dear departed father used to say, "A meal without meat is like a day without sunshine." 
 
Bill, was that last one the Body Mass Index or the Ego Mass Index? ;)  Just don't try to figure out Obama's, thanks.  Measuring infinites never works out well.
 
The "body index" thing was invented way before there was any real understanding of proper nutrition and during a time when near starvation was the norm.

It is maintained and popularized by that demographic that wishes all males to keep an appearance of prepubescent boys.

As to your comfy bubbles of like mindednessness, I haven't found one yet since I tend to disagree with most everyone on most everything.

Especially with all y'all weirdos that think women belong in the infantry.

 
Gay women transvestite infantrymen.  From Mars.

And yeah, you can be, er, um, well, obstreperous, Grimmy.
 
That has to be the funniest thing I have read in a long time.  Always has been my motto:  Life is no fun if you watch what you eat, drink, and do...do whatever you want, as long as your happy, and not harming anyone that doesn't deserve it...
 
I forget who said it...I think it was Ron White...said he was going to get a pack of smokes, a 6 pack of beer, a large triple meat pizza, put salt on it, hire a *ahem* courtesan lady of the evening and have them all in one night so he could blow every circuit in the box and go out on his own terms heh
 
(Looks at my waist, which is finally smaller, again, than when I graduated from high school, and the scale, which tells me I'm at the weight I played football when I was a sophomore in high school.) Hmph. Oh, and I'm 2.5 inches taller than when I graduated 45 years ago. Yup, got big belly, and it doesn't want to go away. The days when I was a running fool in gold and scarlet, 6'4.5" with a 32" waist, 32" inseam, 46" chest, and weighed less than 180# (bouncing around 4% body fat, according to my doctor, looking at photos) are far behind me. So are the 360# and the 58" waist jeans. Don't know how I did that, lost it, and then did it again. Just an idiot, I suppose, one last bit of Jarhead stupidity.

Life's for enjoying the doing of good. I do feel much better (at 284# and losing very slowly this time) than I did when I was much larger. Tuna and salmon are as good as steak. Vegetables are good for me, and some of them I even like (who knew?!). Desert should be savored while talking with friends, not gulped in giant portions.

I haven't gotten yet to the "there are only three bites of ice cream" stage, where I can push it away then ... but one scoop is enough.

I think it's all the use of chairs, myself. Humankind was not to spend so much time sitting on stumps (and have you noticed how few natural stumps are sit-able?) Humans should be able to sit on their haunches.



 
According to this article, at a 32" waist I was "extremely thin", at my heaviest I was "highly obese" and now I'm down to "obese". One of my goals is a 38" waist, which would be "healthy-normal".

(The old "your waist should be less than half your height", here, gets "healthy-normal". and the old "pounds don't matter" is confirmed.)

BillT -- by this standard, you're "healthy-normal weight".

(Waist/Height)*100

WOMEN
• Ratio less than 35: Abnormally Slim to Underweight
• Ratio 35 to 42: Extremely Slim
• Ratio 42 to 46: Healthy
• Ratio 46 to 49: Healthy
• Ratio 49 to 54: Overweight
• Ratio 54 to 58: Seriously Overweight
• Ratio over 58: Highly Obese

MEN
• Ratio less than 35: Abnormally Slim to Underweight
• Ratio 35 to 43: Extremely slim
• Ratio 43 to 46: Healthy
• Ratio 46 to 53: Healthy, Normal Weight
• Ratio 53 to 58: Overweight
• Ratio 58 to 63: Extremely Overweight/Obese
• Ratio over 63: Highly Obese

Read more: http://www.livestrong.com/article/93638-whtr-the-new-determinant-health-risk/#ixzz0wHTf56Yj


 
Hmm. I got 43.5.  But then, I'm one of those pure ectomorph types, all skin and bones and nerves.  There is a bit of the Budweiser effect in the last few years. Maybe now I can float in fresh water.
 
By whatever measure I'm fat. I'll let others worry about ratios and whatever. As Steve Graham says, eat what you want and die like a man!
 
There was a time I was in the VA Hospital, I was being discharged by the docs. Doc says, "You do know  why you're being discharged? If I were you, I would put my house 'in order.' We figure, at most, you've got about 6 months to live." My ride home was from an old family friend and his brother, plus their driver. The younger of the two brothers was 103 years old and the older brother was his chaperone. Well, Doc explained everything to the brothers. The younger of the two said, "Doc, you don't get it, the good die young and he's not going. His Father would not buy a mule because he was afraid the boy (Grumpy) would teach the mule new ways to be stubborn, that's bad." We came home and later that night, we went to the local Dunkin Donuts and get a medium cup of coffee and just enjoy it. Well, this one night we're in there, here comes the County Coroner comes in after a busy evening, in scrubs. I'm sitting all the way at the other end of the counter. I reach up and check my pulse on my neck. I say, "I've got a pulse, she's not here for me." She walks down and talks with me, but was fighting to keep a straight face. She say-, "Smart A$$, I can still pronounce you." I totally broke out laughing. About that talk with Doc and the 6 month expiration date, that hospital stay was December 1999. From everybody that was in that original group, I'm the only fugitive from the coroner.
 
Grumpy, there might be a falsifiable scientific hypothesis that being mean and grumpy makes one live longer. Ya think we could get a government grant to study that?
 
Oh, Major, Sir, to get back on topic: The thing I love the most about this site is that it invites the overlap, the intersection in the Venn diagram, and it ain't your fault that not enough people show up and appreciate the site.

I remember, back when, when you made a distinction between professional soldiers and "normals."  There were a bunch of folks who weighed in, among  them myself, who protested that we were neither Professional Soldiers, nor "normal", whatever that means.

There was also a professional soldier who insisted that he was perfectly normal.

I think it was about that time that you quit using the word "normal" to describe people.

That's a bad word to describe people, IMHO.  One would do better to use words like "bad' or "good",  or virtuous or evil, or, smart, or dumb, or sociable, or misanthropic.

Ya catch my drift here? 

I will generalize, and take my oath on it before the Throne of God:

Mean People Suck.


 
P.s. Honesty compels me to say that there weren't a bunch, of folks, just a coupla folks. Hey, that's more than one, right?
 
Looks like the goal should be 45% of 76.5 ~= 34,5 inches. Yikes. That's got to be down there in the 12-15% body fat range.  Which is where I should be, I suppose.
 
 Wow, that height/waist chart made my day.  Thanks htom!  

I have big shoulders and bones, and thick muscles.  It's common to my family, whether you exercise or not; just genetic.  When I had to apply the BMI standard to myself, I did finally manage to get three pounds under the maximum weight by eating SlimFast for two meals a day and running five miles a day.  Never got further down than that, though.

But your standard says I'm "healthy and normal."

That said, I sympathize with John's point about preferred worldviews.  I would prefer one in which doctors would raise their standard for acceptable amounts of beer.  The current standard of 'not more than one to two beers a day' is depressingly low.
 
JTG, I like the callsign "Grumpy" and decided to keep it. But, I never wanted it as a behavioral objective, but sometimes, in life you don't get the right to make choices. In my life, Military or Civilian lives, it was always about, "teamwork". Though it may mean I would not survive, the team would survive. You focus on the word "normal", yet have no definition for it. But, the strange thing about "normal" is you know when it's missing, it's like a stone in your boot on a long hike. You'll do whatever it takes to fix it. You don't just write it off, say, your computer w/data is *GONE, with no trace*, do you just write it off? Any action you take will show something about your (singular) normal. I figure you'll take some actions like any normal person. Just a thought!

When I was in the VA Hospital, they put me in a semi-private room, with a guy who was mad at the whole World. He was going to take it out on all of the nurses. I'm just figuring, it won't be long before The Head Nurse is going to open 'The Kennels of the Hounds of the Baskervilles'. I turn over and say to him, "Look, I'm not happy being here either, but did you ever think of this one question? How many ways are there for a nurse to get even, do you want to find out?" I rolled over and went to sleep and he was a model patient.  After my time in the hospital and Doc said I could go home, he sent to the Office of the Head Nurse on that floor. I walk over to her office, there's a med tech, who calls the Head Nurse, the Tech was instructed to take me back to her Personal Office. I go in and sit down, there's a plaque on the wall, "OLD IRON PANTS", I lose it and break out laughing. She then told me, "I was about 1 or 2 steps from your doorway and heard you two talking. It was good enough for me." I then tell her about the Baskerville comment. She replied, "Oh, I have my kennels, they're locked." It was just a good time.

"Mean People Suck." If it were not for mean people, you, JTG, would be *SOL* or Sh*t Outta Luck.
 
Depends on what you mean by "mean."  I don't consider virtuous badasses to be mean people. I do consider people who get a charge out of stomping on kittens, women and children to be mean.
 
P.s. Yes, we do need more virtuous badasses.  I doubt if I could have become one, even when young, and it's laughably impossible for me at my age. The badass part, I mean. I think I might still have a shot at "virtuous."
 
Heh. You thought you was being slick by using words I don't know.

And yeah, you can be, er, um, well, obstreperous, Grimmy.

I am not  obstetrics any more. I done modified my ways, thank you very much. I haven't gotten loudmouthed at anyone around here in so long I think I've forgotten how... and that women in the infantry issue doesn't count.

Anyone with at least the sense the good lord gave a rock would know that it's just not right, nor functional, nor doable, nor desirable. Some issues a body's meant to get hot over.

Oh, and them of us what are "fat"? Well, it's because we can afford to eat, sillies. That's what separates us from the skinny soccer playing EUnix.

No offense meant to skinny soccer playing EUnix. But come on, you call yourselves healthy when the elbow joint or wrist joint are the largest part of an arm? Knees are larger than thighs?

 
I've never particularly wanted to be an 11B- but I was really disappointed to learn that I'll never be in an infantry battalion S2 shop because of my gender. My job is the most fun at the tactical level.