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Heh. Every year, I feel older.

Funny how that works.

The Beloit College Mindset List for the Class of 2014
Most students entering college for the first time this fall—the Class of 2014—were born in 1992.
For these students, Benny Hill, Sam Kinison, Sam Walton, Bert Parks and Tony Perkins have always been dead.

1. Few in the class know how to write in cursive.

2. Email is just too slow, and they seldom if ever use snail mail.

3. “Go West, Young College Grad” has always implied “and don’t stop until you get to Asia…and learn Chinese along the way.”

4. Al Gore has always been animated.

5. Los Angelinos have always been trying to get along.

6. Buffy has always been meeting her obligations to hunt down Lothos and the other blood-suckers at Hemery High.

7. “Caramel macchiato” and “venti half-caf vanilla latte” have always been street corner lingo.

8. With increasing numbers of ramps, Braille signs, and handicapped parking spaces, the world has always been trying harder to accommodate people with disabilities.

9. Had it remained operational, the villainous computer HAL could be their college classmate this fall, but they have a better chance of running into Miley Cyrus’s folks on Parents’ Weekend.

10. A quarter of the class has at least one immigrant parent, and the immigration debate is not a big priority…unless it involves “real” aliens from another planet.

11. John McEnroe has never played professional tennis.

12. Clint Eastwood is better known as a sensitive director than as Dirty Harry.

13. Parents and teachers feared that Beavis and Butt-head might be the voice of a lost generation.

14. Doctor Kevorkian has never been licensed to practice medicine.

15. Colorful lapel ribbons have always been worn to indicate support for a cause.

16. Korean cars have always been a staple on American highways.

17. Trading Chocolate the Moose for Patti the Platypus helped build their Beanie Baby collection.

18. Fergie is a pop singer, not a princess.

19. They never twisted the coiled handset wire aimlessly around their wrists while chatting on the phone.

20. DNA fingerprinting and maps of the human genome have always existed.

21. Woody Allen, whose heart has wanted what it wanted, has always been with Soon-Yi Previn.

22. Cross-burning has always been deemed protected speech.

23. Leasing has always allowed the folks to upgrade their tastes in cars.

24. “Cop Killer” by rapper Ice-T has never been available on a recording.

25. Leno and Letterman have always been trading insults on opposing networks.

26. Unless they found one in their grandparents’ closet, they have never seen a carousel of Kodachrome slides.

27. Computers have never lacked a CD-ROM disk drive.

28. They’ve never recognized that pointing to their wrists was a request for the time of day.

29. Reggie Jackson has always been enshrined in Cooperstown.

30. “Viewer Discretion” has always been an available warning on TV shows.

31. The first computer they probably touched was an Apple II; it is now in a museum.

32. Czechoslovakia has never existed.

33. Second-hand smoke has always been an official carcinogen.

34. “Assisted Living” has always been replacing nursing homes, while Hospice has always been an alternative to hospitals.

35. Once they got through security, going to the airport has always resembled going to the mall.

36. Adhesive strips have always been available in varying skin tones.

37. Whatever their parents may have thought about the year they were born, Queen Elizabeth declared it an “Annus Horribilis.”

38. Bud Selig has always been the Commissioner of Major League Baseball.

39. Pizza jockeys from Domino’s have never killed themselves to get your pizza there in under 30 minutes.

40. There have always been HIV positive athletes in the Olympics.

41. American companies have always done business in Vietnam.

42. Potato has always ended in an “e” in New Jersey per vice presidential edict.

43. Russians and Americans have always been living together in space.

44. The dominance of television news by the three networks passed while they were still in their cribs.

45. They have always had a chance to do community service with local and federal programs to earn money for college.

46. Nirvana is on the classic oldies station.

47. Children have always been trying to divorce their parents.

48. Someone has always gotten married in space.

49. While they were babbling in strollers, there was already a female Poet Laureate of the United States.

50. Toothpaste tubes have always stood up on their caps.

51. Food has always been irradiated.

52. There have always been women priests in the Anglican Church.

53. J.R. Ewing has always been dead and gone. Hasn’t he?

54. The historic bridge at Mostar in Bosnia has always been a copy.

55. Rock bands have always played at presidential inaugural parties.

56. They may have assumed that parents’ complaints about Black Monday had to do with punk rockers from L.A., not Wall Street.

57. A purple dinosaur has always supplanted Barney Google and Barney Fife.

58. Beethoven has always been a dog.

59. By the time their folks might have noticed Coca Cola’s new Tab Clear, it was gone.

60. Walmart has never sold handguns over the counter in the lower 48.

61. Presidential appointees have always been required to be more precise about paying their nannies’ withholding tax, or else.

62. Having hundreds of cable channels but nothing to watch has always been routine.

63. Their parents’ favorite TV sitcoms have always been showing up as movies.

64. The U.S, Canada, and Mexico have always agreed to trade freely.

65. They first met Michelangelo when he was just a computer virus.

66. Galileo is forgiven and welcome back into the Roman Catholic Church.

67. Ruth Bader Ginsburg has always sat on the Supreme Court.

68. They have never worried about a Russian missile strike on the U.S.

69. The Post Office has always been going broke.

70. The artist formerly known as Snoop Doggy Dogg has always been rapping.

71. The nation has never approved of the job Congress is doing.

72. One way or another, “It’s the economy, stupid” and always has been.

73. Silicone-gel breast implants have always been regulated.

74. They’ve always been able to blast off with the Sci-Fi Channel.

75. Honda has always been a major competitor on Memorial Day at Indianapolis.
 

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1. Few in the class know how to write in cursive.

...and even fewer know how to write a coherent sentence in English.

 
32. Czechoslovakia has never existed.

Forget Czechoslovvkia...the bleedin' USSR has never existed.  And Boris Yeltsin went from being a Russian national hero to being a pathetic, drunken spectacle before they figured out how to use the toilet.

The Wall fell near the start of my sophomore year in HS, with the USSR following in the first semester senior year.

Other ones they forgot: 76.  Saddam Hussein was never on America's 'side.' (Enemy of our enemy, and all that.)

77.  Ollie North has always been a correspondent for Fox News.

78.  The last time a Canadian hockey team won the Stanley Cup (Montreal Canadiens 1992-93 season) they were still in diapers.
 
27. Computers have never lacked a CD-ROM disk drive.

... or had a 5.25" floppy drive.  Or a monochrome monitor.  Or screen resolutions less than 800x600. 

 
79. They think you always had to press "1" for English.

80. The Catholic Church never spoke Latin.

81. Hand signals were never used while driving unless you want to pop someone the bird.

82. The Pope was never Italian.

 
79. U.S. troops have always been in, or over, Iraq.
 
I had a conversation with a younger co-worker who, while born in the late 80s, does not remember the Soviet Union except from history class.  In it, I stated that he never lived in fear of the end of the world.  He told me that of course he did... pollution, global warming... these were his "existential threats".  I tried to convey to him that it was FAR from the same thing as worrying that you could wake up tomorrow with nukes saturating every major US city.  He tried saying that it was kind of similar.  I had to let it drop.

These kids were more afraid of tornadoes than WWIII.  After all, schools have tornado drills.  It's not like anyone has ever had nuclear bomb drills or anyth... uh... nevermind.  Oh sure, they TALK about being afraid of nuclear armeggedon, but they never viscerally experienced it.  And hell... even I'm a piker in that arena.  I was born in the Nixon administration.  The Cuban Missile Crisis was history for me.  And I honestly doubt we've ever been closer to nuclear annihilation that that week.
 
83. Germany was always one country.

84. Water always came in bottles.

85. Paris Hilton is not a hotel in France.
 
 John, It's much better than the alternative. Considering the fact, there was a John D. Donovan in the local obituaries in the local newspaper. He was also a Vet, a member of the American Legion and the DAV. I'm still glad you're a troublemaking *older* old  [REDACTED]!
 
Heh.  I have some decent memories of the Cuban Missile Crisis, and Dad suddenly going away for a while, road-marching to Florida.

Or of the Nike missile battery at Fort Leavenworth erecting the missiles as we were playing nearby.  That was routine - but think about that, nuke-tipped air defense missile batteries in the heartland.

I've done the "duck and cover" under the school desk.

I've used 8 inch floppys, too.  Not, not pr0n-related.

And I remember the electricity at Patch Barracks when the Six Day War kicked off.  Didn't see Dad for over a week.

And I picked up the PNL (Primary Nuclear Load) twice during the Reagan/Brezhnev years of forced blinks, while stationed in Germany.

I've walked into a nuke weapons storage bunker in January, opened a casket for a serial number inventory, and felt the warm air puff from the storage container.

Heh. I remember, when visiting relatives in Arkansas when I was but a wee lad, seeing the "Whites Only" and "Coloreds Only" signs. Didn't have a clue what they meant.

Of course, Bill remembers the fall of the wall as if it was yesterday. At Jericho.

 
 8" floppies???
Punch Cards!!! and Royal Post Canada.

Cheers
 
86.  There has always been a Nintendo.

87. Everyone has always had a cellphone or pager

88. Until Obama there has always been a Bush/Republican as President

89. Galileo was never edicted

90. The Falu Copper mine has never been in operation
 
At Jericho.

My ears are *still* ringing from those damn horns.

 
Just trying to save a buck.

I came back from 'Nam in '69. Watched the Moon Landing on TV AND went to Woodstock.

I keep running into youngins that have no/zero/nil idea what any of those references mean.
 
@ponsdorf, You write, " I came back from 'Nam in 69. Watched the Moon Landing on TV *AND* went to to Woodstock."

"I keep running into youngins that have no/zero/nil idea of what those references mean."

Why do you think this happens? Is this about the youngins, parents or even grandparents? When you begin to understand, it changes your whole view. This is *not* blame, it's about responsibility up the line *and* down the line. My Dad had one basic rule, "Don't embarrass the Family!" It keeps you grounded, not as a punishment, but stable. I had already seen more than most people see in their worst nightmare, multiplied by infinity. I had no interest in Woodstock. I had offers, but no interest.

One last question, would you please define the term, "youngins?"
 
Armorer,  "Mindset", doesn't that reside in the mind? This is a classic case of "The assumption of things not in evidence. Just wait until these youngins, become Auld Pharts, like some of us.
 
Armorer,  "Mindset", doesn't that reside in the mind? This is a classic case of "The assumption of things not in evidence." Just wait until these youngins, become Auld Pharts, like some of us.
 
Heh. I wasn't ten when we went to visit my uncle Woody in Florida. We stopped at a filling station in the South (Georgia?) and I went to get a drink at the fountain. Much yelling. It was pointed out to me that there was a sign above the fountain I'd tried to use that said "Colored", and I was to use the one next to it, that said "White". I said that was silly, both fountains were stainless steel, not white, not colored, and anyway. got their water from the same pipe. The elderly Negro gentleman, talking with my father, owner or attendant who had filled the car (and checked the oil  and washed the windshield) looked at my father and said "He's going to be trouble" and my father said "No 'going to be' about it. " They both laughed. Stupid sign. No. Stupid idea.
 
OKay, I give up. I simply dunno how to reply here in detail. Ya'lll have fun.

 
Ponsdorf - don't let Grumpy get to you.  He's... grumpy.
 
I have always maintained for everyone there is a "BC" (before creation) mentality. For me the Korean war and WWII were always history book material for me. Things my parents talked about but were distant to me. Sock hop, rumble seat, "spark'n"--just words. If one doesn't live it, then it is a cardboard image at best. But I don't fault (the rest) of you auld pharts out there (cricket aside). It is our nature. But as the Armorer sort of notes there are rough distinctive lines which demarks certain eras (?epoches?). But I think the personal BC line is the most distinctive. Think of the moonlanding. For those of us who lived the B&W contrasty images was dramatic. But given our abrupt end of project it sure seems a long time ago even to me. But it was and is still real and not just a still on a history channel episode as it is for the kiddies.
 
I was born in '54, within 10 years of the end of WWII. It and Korea have always seemed as distant as the Revolution to me. Strange to think that the first World War and the second BOER war is closer to my birth than my present age.
 
@Ponsdorf, don't give up, especially because of old fart like me. To be honest, I was born a *GRUMPY* old fart, this is what I was told by an old family friend, died 100+ years old Christmas Eve, 2001.

You talked about 'Nam 69, Landing on the Moon and Woodstock. I wanted to go to Woodstock, but my body said, in no uncertain terms, "NO!" My body grabbed me by the 'brass jewels' and said, "Now do I have your attention? Is this a debate" I replied, "You have a firm grasp of the issues, no debate from me!"

Thank you, for your Service in 'Nam 69, they were tough years, but I 'm also glad you went to Woodstock. About the "youngins' definition, " You know the person is no longer a youngin when they know better and apply it."
 
Sir, are you QUITE sure you didn't interpolate some smartass additions into that list?
 
@MikeD, on the Cuban Missile Crisis : I recall chasing a model airplane while that was going on, and suddenly coming across a Hawk battery. (Yes, I recognized it at age eleven, do you doubt my nerd creds?)

This was in Southern Florida.
 
65. They first met Michelangelo when he was just a computer virus.
Actually,  they might be more likely to remember first meeting him as the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtle with the orange mask and the nunchaku.  Did no one else in the thread have kids of this vintage, or were they just not paying attention to their children's lives? (OK, I cheated.  I had to turn to Wikipedia to find out which one he was.)

 
I recall chasing a model airplane while that was going on, and suddenly coming across a Hawk battery.

Missiles? Piffle. We used to see these around NYC.
 
G. Gordon Liddy was assigned to an AA battery in NYC after he graduated college. He wanted to go to Korea, iirc, but got sent to exotic NYC instaed.
 

Navig8r - remember, the initial list is *not* ours.  We're adding to it.  The initial list is by two Profs (at least one in his 60's) at Beloit College. This list is as much about how old they feel (hence my lead-in) as it is anything else.  I'm assuming you didn't click the link.  Prodigal Son, along with another juvenile delinquent of his acquaintance, flooded his upstairs bedroom making a swamp for the Turtles.  SWWBO was SWIVMNA* that day, I can tell you.  

*She Who Is Very Much NOT Amused.

 
 Actually, PS was making a 'sewer' for the TMNTs.  I was cooking dinner, and kept hearing something dripping in the family room.  I remember thinking, "there should not be a source of water over the TV".  Ran upstairs, and PS and bratty friend were pouring pitchers full of water onto the shag carpeting.

Called bratty friend's parents immediately to come and fetch him or I might kill him along with PS.
 
One should note that PS was allowed to live.

Someone has to take care of us in our dotage.
 
91. G Gordon Liddy? G. Gordon Liddy?...He's that nice man that sells gold on TV.
 
I was not runnng off in a snit. Got a hurry up from The Wife as I was typing and then got sidetracked.

So...

Grumpy asked me for my definition of  'youngins'? Nominally; those younger  than 30 and educated in public schools.

Why do I think 'this' happens? There are some explicit and some implicit causes, but. as the list above suggests, is likely no more than a normal shift in the national zeitgeist.

Still, it does make for some mildly awkward moments.
 
On G. Gordon's AAA career: In his autobiography he said that once emplaced, the pieces should fire a few shots, so as to settle them into place in the ground and stabilize them. He was not allowed to do this, even with proper precautions about where the shells would end up, because that might Scare the Normal People. 
 
Okay, we've established continuity of a sort -- Ponsdorf came back just as I was leaving for the Land of the Two-Way Rifle Range.
 
That is the Young Man's Natal Year.  He read this list and was stunned into silence.  Yes, how the world has changed.  I showed him a Triumph at the Pebble Beach Concours, and said 'We owned one that your uncle put back together.  Yes, I got to drive it.'  He thinks my era was 'the good old days.'  Funny, but that is what I think about my parents' time.



 
Ponsdorf, You have made an important point about 'youngins', less than 30 years old and educated in public schools. I had a friend who did not finish high school, but had Ph.D's for assistants. When I was in school, we had Palmer Penmanship, I know that gives some of you a framework in time. At the end of the school year, the teacher brought in actual quills and the little dip bottles of ink. There were no hints, you wrote from scratch. This is what she graded you on both grammar and penmanship. The things that were important in high school, were learning about the trades, science, english and most importantly, math.

I enlisted in the Air Force, primarily for technologies. I had my "Dream Sheet" for orders, only to have life rip them out of my hands, at its own timing.

The events which had the greatest impact on This Nation's 'youngins' are the advent of the home computer and 9/11/2001.  Even though out of the Military, I found my place.
 
Kinda off topic, but it seems somewhat related...

Got a young SSGT (on line) friend who is heading back to A'stan from his mid-tour leave just now.  He is full tilt into the whole SCA world.

Seems he's not alone either. He does sword fighting practice in A'stan when he can.

The picture of this young fellow surrounded by 21st century weapons and tech, further surrounded by a country  barely out of the 7th century  trying to find someone to cross swords with kinda cracks me up.
 
#54 a copy of older smaller bridge right next to it....just so we set the record straight.
Greetings from Mostar.
 
Ponsdorf, the way things seem to be going,  we ought to think about muscle-powered weapons.  That sucks for old small guys like me, who depend on our equalizers.