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    <published>2010-06-16T11:24:02Z</published>
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    <title>Ah, my favorite kind of milspouse (Updated)</title>
    <summary><![CDATA[Not.My history with the Army stretches back almost as long as Bill's - back to the late '50s when I was decanted at the 10th General Field Hospital in Wurzburg.I grew up in an Army that had a really good club system, some really outstanding morale, welfare, and recreation facilities (and some real crap ones, too).&nbsp; In a time when the Army was still relatively insular, in ways that it no longer is.&nbsp; While that is probably a larger good, I do think we suffered a net cultural setback when we killed the club system because our sunken-chested marathon-running non-smoking...]]></summary>
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      <name>The Armorer</name>
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      <![CDATA[Not.<br /><br />My history with the Army stretches back almost as long as Bill's - back to the late '50s when I was decanted at the 10th General Field Hospital in Wurzburg.<br /><br />I grew up in an Army that had a really good club system, some really outstanding morale, welfare, and recreation facilities (and some real crap ones, too).&nbsp; In a time when the Army was still relatively insular, in ways that it no longer is.&nbsp; <br /><br />While that is probably a larger good, I do think we suffered a net cultural setback when we killed the club system because our sunken-chested marathon-running non-smoking and drinking General officer corps didn't know how to not over-react to real problems because among other things they were getting such positive strokes from the PC crowd.&nbsp; <br /><br />It was also an Army where it was not only legal, but expected, that an officer's spouse would factor into their efficiency reports.&nbsp; I've read the Auld Soldier's OERs.&nbsp; My mother is only mentioned briefly, and in positive ways.&nbsp; This is a practice that was prohibited before I received my commission - and I agree with that, given the changes in society, both military and civil.<br /><br />A tangent.<br /><br />On military installations you will see a great variety of reserved parking spaces, unless General Petraeus is around, he's got something of a fetish about the subject&nbsp; - to the point of bemusement to me - but that's not the point.<br /><br />You'll see reserved spaces for Medal of Honor holders, General&nbsp;Officers, Colonels, Command Sergeants Major, Village Mayors, Soldier of the&nbsp;Year, Audie Murphy Club members, Expectant Mothers, Disabled, etc.<br /><br />Our personal vehicles are marked with the status of the &quot;sponsor&quot; as we call the military member to whom the vehicle is tied.&nbsp; Green stickers for government civilian employees, black for contractors, red stickers for enlisted, blue for officers, and, heh, added Eagles and Stars for Colonels and Generals.&nbsp; The stars are not always used.&nbsp; Some of this dates back to when we had soldiers manning the gates, so salutes could be rendered as appropriate.&nbsp; Some of it is tied to access control - as in facilitating getting the muckety-mucks in quickly while everybody else sits in line waiting to have their vehicle strip-searched when the threat level gets raised.<br /><br />But the eagles and such have more to do with parking than anything else, I'm thinking.<br /><br />Now, the purpose of those reserved slots close to the entrance of things is putatively so that Very Important and Highly Paid people out running errands during the duty day don't have to waste valuable time tootling around the parking lot.&nbsp; Leave aside that few of those people actually run errands during the duty day - unless you are at a place so overrun with Colonels like Fort Leavenworth, Carlisle Barracks, Fort Myers, etc, that they're a dime-a-dozen, then you might find them running about in gaggles, especially at lunch.&nbsp; <br /><br />But ask any non-commissioned officer what those signs really mean, and they'll tell you, &quot;Oh,&nbsp;officer's spouse parking.&quot;<br /><br />Because that's who's usually parking in those slots.&nbsp; Colonel's spouses.&nbsp; Not really who the slot is intended for, but, hey, that's the way it is.&nbsp; Just like you'll find the occasional civilian with an assimilated general officer equivalency who will park in a GO's slot.&nbsp; Most often in my experience the ones who do that are former military types indulging their inner Walter Mitty.&nbsp; The career civilians generally don't even think of it, most likely.<br /><br />Back on point.<br /><br />So what *is* the point of this rambling set up?&nbsp; The point that some people are prone to assume that the rank on their significant other's shoulder has somehow managed to fly from that shoulder and land on theirs, too.<br /><br />Correct, in a fashion.&nbsp; In terms of leaving a white mess of bird doo-doo, perhaps.&nbsp; Especially in this case.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.fayobserver.com/articles/2010/06/11/1006135?sac=Home">Such a person would&nbsp;appear to&nbsp;be Dr. (Mrs) Leslie Drinkwine, spouse to Colonel Brian Drinkwine</a>, the commander of the 4th Brigade Combat Team of the 82nd (Airborne) Dvision..&nbsp; The&nbsp;deployed brigade commander&nbsp;who is perhaps even as we speak wishing General Order #1 would allow him to indulge his cognomen.<br /><br /><blockquote><div>The commander of Fort Bragg has barred the wife of an 82nd Airborne Division colonel from nearly all interaction with her husband's brigade and the unit's families after an investigation found her influence &quot;detrimental to the morale and well-being of both.&quot;<br /><br />Sworn statements from the investigation, ordered in January by Lt. Gen. Frank Helmick, accuse Col. Brian Drinkwine's wife, Leslie Drinkwine, of using her husband's position as leverage to repeatedly harass and threaten soldiers and their families.<br />&nbsp;</div></blockquote>Now that is some serious transference.&nbsp; Most milspouses I grew up with (and&nbsp;even more so now than it was back when I was a brat running around housing areas at Fort Sill, Fort Leavenworth, and Germany) didn't assume their soldier's rank attached to them, and were hard-working members of our little communities, especially during the Vietnam era, when I was paying far more attention than I was as a toddler.<br /><br />I'm thinking Mrs. Drinkwine thinks those Colonel parking spaces are for her.&nbsp; Especially now, since it's about all the status she has left, other than probably-well-intentioned power-hungry-buffoon has-been.&nbsp; And you, Colonel - you're Herr Doktor Frankenstein in this morality play.<br /><br /><blockquote><div>In sworn interviews or written statements submitted to Spillman, one former battalion commander, two currently serving battalion commanders and the brigade's rear commander said Dr. Drinkwine told them &quot;that either their careers, or the careers of others, could be adversely impacted by her.&quot;<br /><br />In other sworn statements, five Army officers said they have heard Col. Drinkwine say that when his wife speaks, she speaks for him.<br /><br />Col. Drinkwine, in his sworn statement, said he meant that only in regard to FRG issues. His wife was the head of that organization, and he said he wanted to make sure people understood that she had authority in the FRG.</div></blockquote><br />Yes, Colonel. You.&nbsp; <br /><br />I'm guessing we'll not be having General Drinkwine any time soon.&nbsp; Still you should read the whole thing, as Colonel Drinkwine has his supporters, too.<br /><br />A cautionary tale for those milspouses who have no official rank of their own, but who's status is tied to that of their sponsor.&nbsp;You can play a key role in the success of your spouses career and in taking care of the unit families when the unit is deployed.&nbsp; But&nbsp;yours is a different kind of leadership - cat herding.&nbsp; Which is always frustrating.<br /><br />My mother, herself a Colonel's Lady, would not approve of Dr. Drinkwine's approach to FRG leadership.<br /><br />Commander Salamander also has some thoughts - <a href="http://cdrsalamander.blogspot.com/2010/06/what-cow.html">including an idea for an interesting episode of Wife Swap.</a><br /><br />Being the spouse of a deployed warrior is hard enough, without some harridan harpy from hell getting into your face and hissing with forked tongue yet smelling of... female dog.<br /><br /><strong>Update</strong>: Greta, herself a milspouse, <a href="http://hooahwife.com/?p=4360">offers some bracing perspective to the story</a> - as in, don't measure all against a single data point.<br /><br />Cassandra gently chides my rather soldier-centric viewpoint - and properly laments the fact that &quot;good news is not news.&quot;&nbsp; Much the way gun-owners will lament that the news, after reporting on the latest homicide, never notes that &quot;tens of millions of guns and gunowners did not shoot anyone today.&quot;:<br /><blockquote><div>When you think of just how many officers' wives there are out there, I wonder why no one ever seems to notice that military wives &quot;wear&quot; their husband's rank in a lot of positive ways? Greta and Mrs G are prime examples of women who voluntarily assume a leadership and service role. The military could not function without women like this, and yet we see only the bad apples.</div></blockquote>Well, here's a little bit of that - along with the injunction that you should go read Greta's post.]]>
      
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    <title>Comment from Justthisguy on 2010-06-17</title>
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        <![CDATA[I was just over at Jerry Pournelle's site, where he put up a link to a Kipling poem; &quot;The Ladies.&quot; I will quote two lines from it.<br />
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&quot;For the Colonel's Lady an' Judy O'Grady<br />
Are sisters under the skin.&quot;&nbsp;]]>
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    <published>2010-06-17T22:28:02Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Carrie on 2010-06-17</title>
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        <name>Carrie</name>
        
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        wow.
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    <published>2010-06-17T16:17:22Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from seadog on 2010-06-16</title>
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        <![CDATA[The other services should do like the USAF and get rid of the stickers.&nbsp; It's a waste of man-power to issue them.&nbsp; Especially since there isn't a military installation NOT performing 100% ID checks.&nbsp; Oh, they're needed for proof of insurance/registration?&nbsp; I have that readily available and even highlighted the pertinent info to make it easier for the guard to find, if needed.&nbsp; The only reason I keep them on my vehicles, as faded as they are?&nbsp; My son is in the Army.&nbsp; And, sometimes, I have to go to Naval Station JAX.&nbsp; Beats waiting in the LONG lines to get a temp registration.<br />
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And, yes, the spouse wearing the member's rank happens in the USAF.&nbsp; I got accosted in the local commissary by a Colonel's wife when I walked into the first bay of an aisle to grab one item.&nbsp; She informed me I was &quot;going the wrong way&quot;.&nbsp; When I replied, &quot;Yes, ma'am, i'm grabbing one item and not walking the precious entire length of the aisle backwards.&nbsp; Wouldn't want to disrupt the smooth flow of the octogenarians&quot;.&nbsp; She sputtered, &quot; I don't like your attitude, do you know who I am?&quot;&nbsp; I did, but I replied, &quot;Yes Ma'am, you're a spouse, which would make you a civilian.&nbsp; Have a nice day&quot;.<br />
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Nuclear melt-down...&nbsp; &quot;Clean-up on aisle 7&quot;.<br />
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Then there was the time I tried to join the &quot;Officer Spouse's Club&quot; at Clark AB. I was eligible, but I was also Enlisted....<br />
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    <title>Comment from Marine6 on 2010-06-16</title>
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        <![CDATA[According to the report Colonel Drinkwine heard of the problems with his wife from at least two of his superiors, and ALL of his battalion commanders, and did nothing to resolve the situation.<br />
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There are only three words that are required:<br />
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You are relieved!]]>
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    <published>2010-06-16T20:44:42Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Larry Fountain on 2010-06-16</title>
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        <![CDATA[Had I EVER attempted to use my dad's rank or position in such a manner, I would have had a boot planted in my rear in such a way as to totally redefine the concept of &quot;boot licking&quot;.]]>
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    <published>2010-06-16T17:53:20Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from BloodSpite on 2010-06-16</title>
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        <![CDATA[Obviously one commisioned family was indebbing too much in to their name sake, methinks.<br />]]>
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    <published>2010-06-16T16:41:12Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Greta on 2010-06-16</title>
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        <name>Greta</name>
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        <![CDATA[Thanks:) <br />]]>
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    <published>2010-06-16T15:09:45Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Mike L on 2010-06-16</title>
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        <name>Mike L</name>
        <uri>http://obboi</uri>
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        <![CDATA[Those of you who know me understand that there is more than one reason I retired as a major; here's an example.&nbsp; As a pain in the ass, already commanded, been a battalion FDO and never going to be a Bde FSO, I didn't really see the need to be at the Artillery Officers' Advanced Course - since those positions is what yoiu were being prepared to fill.&nbsp; But, there I was.&nbsp; One particularly busy day I had to get to the club to cash a check and back to my 4-hour, 200 slide, gunnery class (thanks, Ron).&nbsp; I ended up parking a quarter mile from the club and running in to cash my check.&nbsp; As I got to the club entrance, a vehicle pulled u and parked in the Deputy Commandant Spot, right next to the door.&nbsp; Yep - Mrs. Dep Cmdt got out.&nbsp; I couldn't resist.&nbsp; I said, &quot;excuse me ma'am, but that spot is reserved for BG (famous revolutionary war sailor) XXX.&quot;&nbsp; She, replied, &quot;I am...&quot;&nbsp; I interrupted, &quot;I know who you are, but that spot is reserved for the Deputy Commandant.&quot;&nbsp; Of course my name was clearly visible on my uniform, and I ensured she could read it.&nbsp; I went back to class and waited for the summons - it never came.&nbsp; Jump forward three months to graduation.&nbsp; I am walking across the platform to receive my certificate from BG XXX.&nbsp; Everyone knew my attitude and the aforementioned story.&nbsp; The BG shook my hand and asked, &quot;that wasn't so bad was it Captain L?&quot;&nbsp; I said, &quot;No, sir, &quot; and proceeded to leave the platform.&nbsp; He yelled after me, &quot;CPT L, my wife told me abot you.&quot;&nbsp; We exchanged grins, and that was that.&nbsp; I never changed my &quot;out-spokenness&quot; and a COL and his wife eventually caught up to me.&nbsp; One thing my wife never did was wear my rank, humble as it may have been.&nbsp; She was schooled early and regularly.&nbsp; Were it so across the board.<br />]]>
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    <title>Comment from lvn centurion on 2010-06-16</title>
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        <![CDATA[Hey, Hey don't go making fun of the eagle on my car, although my experience has been that it offers zero advantage - someone's idea of an ego stroke I think.<br />
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Drinkwine's wife is a nut case, not the first, and certainly not the last to come down the pike.&nbsp; The good Colonel clearly knew this and did nothing about it to the detriment of the welfare and discipline of his brigade.&nbsp; For this he should be put in charge of the PX and commissary parking lots, ensuring that none but authorized patrons park in those VIP slots.&nbsp; I'm guessing that he might do well at that sort of thing.<br />]]>
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    <published>2010-06-16T13:30:19Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from BillT on 2010-06-16</title>
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        <name>BillT</name>
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        <![CDATA[The OWC used to meet in the banquet room at the Ft. Dix &quot;O&quot; Club -- said banquet room was conveniently accessible to the bar through a sliding partition -- back in the days that Ft. Dix had an OWC and an &quot;O&quot; Club. During a brass rail lunch one day during one cycle break, I overheard a motivational-type speaker from the Red Cross address the assembled ladies:<br />
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&quot;Now, before we get started on our Effective Listening talk, I want everyone to sit in order of rank.&quot;<br />
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Knowing what was about to occur (because I was dating the speaker at the time), I leaned back and watched through the half-open partition. Mrs. Second Brigade Commander debating Mrs. Third Brigade Commander about dates of rank, various Mrs. Company Commanders sorting themselves alphabetically by husbands' unit, and Mrs. CG and Mrs. DCG politely deciding which of the two Comfy Chairs to occupy.<br />
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At the rear sat a Nurse Corps 2LT who was married to the Committee Group Supply Officer.<br />
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As soon as I saw all the chairs were filled, I braced for impact.<br />
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&quot;Now, the first rule of Effective Listening, ladies, is to pay attention to the speaker. I instructed you to be seated in order of rank, and you sat yourselves in order of your *husbands'* rank. The lady to the rear, the lovely 2LT&nbsp;nurse, is the *only* one in this room who has any *rank*. Now, let's *do* try it again, shall we?&quot;<br />
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I always *knew* I shoulda married that girl...<br />]]>
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