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  <title>Comments for Ear, tin, 1ea.  American Idol</title>
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    <published>2010-03-17T11:58:02Z</published>
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    <title>Ear, tin, 1ea.  American Idol</title>
    <summary><![CDATA[Performer Andy Garcia stylin' with his ribbons - or, &quot;metals&quot; as many of the commenters on the now-defunct-and-removed comment thread called them.They have deprived us of this classic crie de coeur:So what if Andrew wears the metals, big flippin' deal.Isn't it interesting how the military brainwashes people. Don't EVEN get me started about the politics of war. We'll be here till eternity.That&nbsp;flash of insight&nbsp;was from Flash_Underwear whose current mood &quot;is pissin' all over herself, anxiously waiting for AI9&quot;&nbsp;&nbsp; I'm sure her parents are proud of that piece of information, though I'm rather guessing she wouldn't care.&nbsp; And perhaps her 'rents...]]></summary>
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      <name>The Armorer</name>
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      <![CDATA[<img class="mt-image-none" height="450" alt="Picture_001.jpg" width="600" src="http://www.thedonovan.com/historystuff/Picture_001.jpg" /><br /><br /><a href="http://tcoverride.blogspot.com/2010/03/its-just-some-ribbon.html">Performer Andy Garcia stylin' with his ribbons</a> - or, &quot;metals&quot; as many of the commenters on <a href="http://myidol.americanidol.com/go/thread/view/86789/22675193/Wearing_Military_Medals_-_Andrew_Garcia">the now-defunct-and-removed comment thread </a>called them.<br /><br />They have deprived us of this classic <em>crie de coeur</em>:<br /><br /><blockquote><div>So what if Andrew wears the metals, big flippin' deal.<br /><br />Isn't it interesting how the military brainwashes people. Don't EVEN get me started about the politics of war. We'll be here till eternity.</div></blockquote>That&nbsp;flash of insight&nbsp;was from <a href="http://myidol.americanidol.com/flash_underwear">Flash_Underwear</a> whose current mood &quot;<em>is pissin' all over herself, anxiously waiting for AI9</em>&quot;&nbsp;&nbsp; I'm sure her parents are proud of that piece of information, though I'm rather guessing she wouldn't care.&nbsp; And perhaps her 'rents don't, either.<br /><br /><a href="http://tcoverride.blogspot.com/2010/03/i-wil-lnot-be-silenced-american-idol.html">Chuck Z of&nbsp;<em>From My Position</em></a>&nbsp;put up this response (there was much heat and fire from both sides, hence the thread removal as the moderators couldn't keep up flensing the scat):<br /><blockquote><div>Doesn't matter his motivations. <br /><br />He. Broke. The. Law.<br /><br />Whether he knows it or not is irrelevant, the Stolen Valor Act specifically prohibits the wearing of military medals if not earned by the individual who wears them.<br /><br />Period.<br /><br />It doesn't matter whether he simply thought they complimented his wardrobe, if they belonged to his grandfather, or if they were sent to him by his great-aunt's hairdresser's son's brother-in-law.<br /><br />If he did it for any reason, or even if he wore them for no reason, <br /><br />He. Broke. The. Law.<br /><br />It doesn't &quot;honor&quot; a veteran to wear their medals for them. It doesn't &quot;honor&quot; a veteran to wear medals that you didn't earn. On of the greatest men I know lost his son in Iraq--and he would would never wear his son's medals or uniform. He simply wears one of his sons' dog tags, everywhere he goes.<br />I don't realluy care what Garcia's motivations were. <br /><br />He. Broke. The. Law.<br /><br />Worse yet, not one single person on the Idol set had any inkling that what he was doing was illegal, nor did any of them have the sense to imagine some people would take umbrage with it, since he never explained why he wore them.<br /><br />I too, am an Iraq vet, with over 15 years of service, and the fact that he's wearing medals that don't belong to him does upset me greatly. By wearing them like costume jewelry, he cheapens the honor that those medals display to the rest of the world. Given that 99% of Americans would be hard-pressed to identify even one of them, putting up with his wearing them cheapens the meaning to the veterans who have earned them.</div></blockquote><br /><br />I admit I have reservations about the generalized reach of the Stolen Valor law, and am watching with interest the current litigation testing its constitutionality.&nbsp; I don't mind the thrust and intent - to provide a way to punish people who abuse military service for personal gain, but I am a touch leery of bringing the full force of the Federal government down on schmoes with issues - vice the ones who are working an angle for personal gain.&nbsp; But I also understand the anger vets feel when they see things that have great personal meaning to them used in cavalier, and ultimately, disrespectful ways.&nbsp; <br /><br />Of course, I also have a problem with making behavior criminal that is merely offensive to someone.&nbsp; PC&nbsp;speech codes, anyone? There is lots of room for mischief there, too, and I find that making more and more everyday human activity criminal simply plays into the hands of people in power who wish to criminlize more and more in order to extend their span of control and influence.<br /><br />But I understand the anger.<br /><br />Back when I was in college, the drama department at my former high school asked the Auld Soldier if they could borrow his medals for a theatrical production. He said sure, thinking they were for some war hero character or something.<br /><br />Then, when the production was over, they returned his medals (in good shape) along with a picture of how they were used.<br /><br />They were splattered randomly over the chest of Annie Oakley, as her &quot;shootin' medals&quot; for the musical &quot;Annie Get Your Gun.&quot;<br /><br />Yep, the Silver Star, Bronze Star w/V, and Purple Heart with 6/OLC (along with the myriad others) just flopping in the breeze as Annie pranced around the stage.<br /><br />The Auld Soldier was pretty upset. Usually a controlled and phlegmatic man, many Shuvs and Zuuls knew what it was to be roasted in the depths of the Slor that day, I can tell you! <br /><br />But I'm pretty sure the Auld Soldier wouldn't have wanted to press charges.&nbsp; The problem here is the issue of differing taste, and, to my mind, the legal concept of <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mens_rea">mens rea</a>.&nbsp; The intent matters, to me, in the assessment of criminality.&nbsp; It's an aspect of the old common law that is increasingly gone AWOL in favor of &quot;the law says this, you did this, you are guilty and shall be punished as the law allows&quot; even as we make more and more activity criminal that shouldn't be - and oh, btw, how many of you keep up with all the changes?<br /><br />There's a continuum.&nbsp; The guy who parlays medals and uniforms into dinners and benefits is an easy target.&nbsp; The ones, like my nephew, who took the Auld Soldier's field jacket as a memento of his grandfather, had a little trouble understanding my explanation that I would be really peeved if I found him wearing it around - as it was just as the Colonel hung it up - CIB, rank, combat patch, etc.&nbsp; I told him that if he wanted to wear it - he would have to remove the patches.&nbsp; And that his grandfather would back me up on that.&nbsp; If I&nbsp;hadn't told him that - I'm sure I would have seen him wearing it at some point.&nbsp;]]>
      
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    <title>Comment from Cricket on 2010-03-18</title>
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        <![CDATA[My father allowed&nbsp;us&nbsp;to wear field jackets.&nbsp; He would not, however, have allowed us to wear rank, any type of unit insignia, medal or ribbon or branch of service.&nbsp; A name tag with our last name, was all he would permit.&nbsp; The name was ours.&nbsp; So was the jacket.&nbsp; Anything else belonged to the service.&nbsp; That was back in the late 1960s and through the 70s.&nbsp; He told us (long before Stolen Valor was a law) that men and women had earned those medals and ribbons, rank, insignia, etc. and that we had not.&nbsp; That was reasonable and respectful.&nbsp; To this day, we have taught our children the same thing.&nbsp; They can wear the uniform, but nothing else&nbsp;on it to show an association with the military.<br />
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Of course, if you look in the clothing sales shop, they have child sized uniforms.&nbsp; They make the *best* play clothes, especially for paintball.&nbsp; Come to think of it, all the kids who do paintball love to wear a BDU blouse or trousers.]]>
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    <published>2010-03-18T18:21:00Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Justthisguy on 2010-03-18</title>
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        <![CDATA[I mind the time a roomy gave me a former Army shirt. Actually wore it in Viet-Nam, he said. He was careful first to rip off the &quot;U.S. Army&quot; thingy on it. (That gold-colored thing)<br />
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&quot;Now it's just a green shirt,&quot; he said.<br />]]>
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    <published>2010-03-18T06:55:44Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Grumpy on 2010-03-17</title>
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        <![CDATA[@Virgil- I am not so concerned with the &quot;grey areas&quot; of the law. I am more concerned with the &quot;grey area&quot; between the two tin ears or the lack of it.<br />
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John makes a good point about &quot;mens rea&quot; or intent. There is another issue, that is the actual service itself, name, and &nbsp;different ribbons and medals for service and medals of valor.<br />
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Lastly BillT, you make an important point, the Uniform of the US Military. It is not a fashion statement, but a character statement. The important thing missing was about The Oath, not just taking it, but living by it.&nbsp;]]>
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    <published>2010-03-18T00:09:12Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from jsallison on 2010-03-17</title>
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        The last time I wore even a piece of a uniform was the day I retired. The wife-unit insisted that I retain my Class A&apos;s and blues cuz she hasn&apos;t decided which one she&apos;s thinks she&apos;s burying me in.  Like I&apos;m going first, yeah, right.  ;)
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    <published>2010-03-18T00:06:06Z</published>
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    <id>tag:www.thedonovan.com,2010://1.12095-comment:100242</id>
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    <title>Comment from virgil xenophon on 2010-03-17</title>
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        <![CDATA[I'm thinking of the tend--started in the sixties at the height of the Vietnam War--of young teens--usuallly--but not always--long-haired hippies wearing war surplus/thrift-shop&nbsp; Navy pea jackets, both&nbsp; Army kaki long sleave&nbsp; dress &amp; non-cammo fatigue shirts &amp;&nbsp; fatigue jackets&nbsp; with rank still&nbsp; sewed on. In some cases it was innocent &quot;following the trends trying to be hip&quot; sort of thing. Yet in others it was obviously an in-your-face calculated insult to flaunt military garb as worn by anti-establishment types obviously against the war and everything the armed serices stand for. Where does one draw the &quot;legal&quot; line in any &quot;enforcement.&quot; procedures, etc? LOTS of fuzzy gray areas here... &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <br />]]>
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    <title>Comment from BillT on 2010-03-17</title>
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        <![CDATA[I don't think anyone looking at Andy-boy would come to the conclusion that he actually *earned* those -- in fact, I b'lieve you'd be hard-pressed to find anyone in the Typical Studio Audience who could tell you that they *were* military awards, let alone name them.<br />
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That said, those ribbons ain't bling, Smack-Job. They're not a fashion statement. They're not yours to wear, let alone wear in that venue, on that jacket. You have insulted everybody who was ever awarded any one of those, because, unlike you, they actually *did* something to deserve the recognition, even if it was only for stepping forward and taking the Oath so that *you* wouldn't have to...<br />]]>
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    <published>2010-03-17T15:17:59Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Mike L on 2010-03-17</title>
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        <name>Mike L</name>
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        <![CDATA[Hmmm...... no law around wearing an unadorned &quot;uniform&quot;.&nbsp; Wearing an Army PT uniform is no different than wearing a Green Bay Packers jersey.&nbsp; I think it's just a statement of &quot;fan-ship&quot;.&nbsp; However - the medal thing.&nbsp; To me it's always been like trodding/burning/defacing the American flag.&nbsp; I'm with John - freedom of speech, including political incorrectness is guaranteed by the constitution.&nbsp; However, there is consequence with some of that speech.&nbsp; The USSC, many years ago, opined that there are certain words that are considered, &quot;fighting words.&quot;&nbsp; Since symbols represent words, the abuse of some of those symbols - medals, ribbons, flag, etc., also constitutes fighting words.&nbsp; So, say it, wear it, burn it - freely; just plan on one of us getting our a$$es kicked if you do it around me.<br />
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Just sayin'.&nbsp; ML<br />]]>
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    <published>2010-03-17T14:40:32Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from AFSister on 2010-03-17</title>
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        <![CDATA[Oh, I should add that I also see a big difference in wearing actual medals vs. ribbons.&nbsp; I would not be so kind if he was wearing the danglies.&nbsp;]]>
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    <published>2010-03-17T14:21:14Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from AFSister on 2010-03-17</title>
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        <![CDATA[I have a hard time getting pissed at dimbulbs who wear medals for &quot;decoration&quot;.&nbsp; They're just dimbulbs.&nbsp; I see a very clear difference between what this guy did and what <strike>Ballduster McSoulPatch</strike>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;McManus and so many other have:&nbsp; they did it for the fame, glory, and money, not just to add color to a jacket without trying to profit from it.<br />
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BUT.<br />
It was wrong, and I'm disappointed... but I'm not pissed.<br />
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I liken this to the people I see all the time wearing Army PT gear who are obviously not Army, or people wearing real cammo pants with a t-shirt and Nike's.&nbsp; I shake my head, and write them off as wanna be's.]]>
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