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A new whatzis...

Just when you thought it was safe to return to the blog...
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This time with scale (that would be the ladybug)!  Also with the obligatory cat hair.  And not an extreme closeup taken with a scanning electron microscope, either (whiners).

And, if your knowledge is deep, or your google-fu strong, there's enough information in this picture for you to correctly identify the weapon.  Which is the task, since the part, and therefore the family and genus are obvious.  We're looking for species-level here.

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That would appear to be a Webly .455
 
.32 S&W made in Norwich, Mass...
Spiff
 
Type:Bug
Diet:Omnivore
Average life span in the wild:2 to 3 years
Size:0.3 to 0.4 in (8 to 10 mm)
Size relative to a paper clip

So much for that, now to move on to what kinda cat the hair is from.
 
Well, Jimmy-my-friend, if we're gonna play it *that* way, you neglected to mention the species...
 
475/455 Enfield revolver
 
It certainly looks bigger than .38, so I'll be going with some sort of higher number, like .45LC, or .455 as previously mentioned.  My historical knowledge, however, is vastly lacking in the area of revolvers.  Whatever caliber it is, it looks as if the case rims are quite large, as most wheelguns I've seen have have the ejector star-----

Oh, just rolled up to look again.  NOT an ejector star.  Tell me that is a single action.  Darn it, now I gotta google.
 
Whatzis... no guess. I thnk, though, that's not a Ladybug, but an Asian Lady Bettle, Harmonia Axyridis.
 
Didn't find the whatzis but I found this :

http://www.ohgizmo.com/2009/04/28/apache-bayonet-brass-knuckles-handgun-in-one/

Add in a nail file, a can opener and a tooth pick, and I think you'd be set.
Officer model, you could add a magnifying glass for map reading.
NCO model, nix the mag glass and add a compass so the Officer doesn't get everyone lost.

 
I dunno. but it looks like over oiled cylinder of a  second generation
Colt Single Action Army with a ladybug and a cat hair (feline domesticus) on it.

.45 cal, "Long Colt"?

'Course, I'm just a Navy guy and used to bigger guns.

 
I think we may have been misdirected.

That may well not be a revolver cylinder.
Instead, it may be a calibrated mix master for General Staff After Dinner Aperitif Mixer Field Portable of WW1 era.
 
Yah, Grimmy that was my second guess ...
 
Not Webley or Enfield.
JamesLee is on to something.
 
Given your collection and using Google+Wikipedia, S&W M1917cylinder.
 
I'm going to go out on a limb and say its a Wesson. Maybe a .44
 
Reichsrevolver 1879,
 
If it ain't a Reichthingie .. it ought to be....
Both were single-action solid frame non-ejecting six-shot revolvers. Loading was via a gate on the weapon's right side, and the cylinder was released by pulling the hammer to half-cock. Removing empty cartridges was done by removing the cylinder by withdrawing the axis-pin, and then removing the casings by hand.

Cartridge 10,6x25R German Ordnance
Caliber 10.6 mm
 
That said the cylinder flutes look different ... however the timing is off in the revolver using that cylinder as it is in this one.
 
I'm still trying to establish if it's a male Ladybug or a lady Ladybug, cause the male is much smaller then the female and that would relate to size of the holes.

Or it could be a 1873 Colt 45 John Wayne Special Edition. (OK Texas Ranger Edition)
 
Okay, first off, there's the star-type extractor, which means it's not a SAA, because those use a gate-ejector.

Second, the chambers are counter-bored for rimmed cartridges, which means it isn't any of the 1917 families (Either Colt, or Smith and wesson.)  the rotation of hte cylinder is the same as the Colt, though.

I think it's an 1898 New Service or Model 10 cylinder-the lack of clearance-cuts at the locking lugs tells me it's an older model, so I'll hazard that the weapon is the .38 caliber 1898 revolver-the numbering at the cylinders indicates either civilian, or non-wartime provenance..
 
Now I'm thinking it's from a 1892 Colt New Army & New Navy DA Revolver which had a star ejector...
 
Due to the cutouts between the chambers could it be that pistol that used halfmoon clips to load 45 auto cartridges?
 
Aug, you might be onto something.  It's a closeup, but if I hold an ACP round up at the right distance, it appears the length is about right.

I still say it's a single action, it doesn't look like that "extractor" moves.  Even if it did, where is the pushrod on the front end?
 
I thought it might be from a S&W .44 Russian, but it doesn't look right to be one of those.  Could the counter-boring for the cartridge rims mean that it's for a rimfire cartridge?
 

It seems like the key to this is going to be those cylinder lock notches.  Most revolvers have the notch, but one side is then beveled away.  There is no beveling on this one, and I'm having a hard time finding one elsewhere that does not.

There is a Colt 1917 Army revolver on Gunbroker that looks pretty close, but the photos aren't good enough to make out what I think I need to.

 
I didn't even consider a rim fire until you said something Blake. The entire assembly reminds me of my fathers Ruger .22 Magnum except Ruger practically bevels the side walls of their cylinders.

Which leans me more towards the Heritage type .22 Lr/Mag

Doubt thats it but the assembly sure looks similar
 
Um, just to shut off *that* rabbit hole - a ladybug is a smidge bigger'n a .22.

Remember, scale matters.  From the Hitchkicker's Guide: "...where, due to a terrible miscalculation of scale, 'the entire battle fleet was accidentally swallowed by a small dog."
 
Here is a photo of acylinder from a single action Ruger Blackhawk in .45 Colt. There is a cartridge for size ref.

It is single action has no ejector, and sits up because of that.

It appears to me that the cylinder in question is somewhat shorter than a .45 (long) Colt, but is indeed from some kinda single action revolver with timing problems because of age.
 
i dunno what that metallic thingie is, but the oil on it is positively wesson.
 
And where did he get a Ladybug in the middle of March in Kansas??? This is diabolical.
 
It's a drink holder for 6 long, tall, and narrow glasses ...

Identifying the beverage in those glasses remains an exercise for the student.
 

late to the party, and i imagine someone already has it.

The lack of any provision for ejection and the recessed cartridge rim would seem to indicate a: single action and b: conversion, though I can't think of any conversions that would have used fluted cylinders, the metallurgy of the time was just not there yet. The slots between the chambers are just for safe carry.

Nossir, I'm pretty sure that there is a muffler bearing for the technical.

 
Fishmugger - in this part of the country, if you don't have ladybugs in your house in winter - you are probably breathing very stale air.
 
Well...I was wrong, the ratchet is NOT part of a star-type ejector.  However, we can see a few key things:

1. the locking notches are directly in line with the chambers.
2. the Ratchet's got a strong resemblance to the rake and angle of the Transition-era colt single actions.  (I'm looking at the cylinder of a 1917 Colt New Service here, it's NOT the 1917's.)

The counterbore is for a rimmed, or rim-fire cartridge.  During the late 1800s' there were a huge number of rim-fire calibers going up to and even beyond .44, so it COULD be a rim-fire weapon, just not a .22 *(unless that ladybug is really, really tiny..)

The cut-out on the cylinder face isn't for moon-type clips, it's too narrow, and the wrong general shape-however, it would be good for use as a means of secondary extraction if the ejector rod wasn't working, or wasn't present.

There were a LOT of revolvers built during the late 19th century, using a lot of different mechanisms and mechanical theories.  Lacking a star-type ejector, it likely uses a rod-type, or "Fingernails prying the shell out" type.

even if it WERE a double-action, the rotation's wrong for a Smith and WEsson, while the locking-lug notches are wrong for a colt.

This makes me think it may be of European manufacture or design.
 

  I suspect that it's the cylinder for a Remington M1875 single-action Army. Probably a 44-40.

  respects,
 
John: Here in NJ, the only bugs we have in our houses were put there by the FBI, local NARCs or the ATF...(cuing theme to Saprano's...fade...cut)
 
Just for clarity sake :)

The reason I mentioned the Heritage  .22 Mag L/R was because it uses a rod ejector system, the cylinder does not rotate out like .38's or other large caliber. It has a single door that sways out and you eject one shell at a time, singularly. Also the cylinders are recessed for the rimfire.

I was pretty sure it wasn't a .22 Mag, but the design was similar, which makes me think it can't be a very large caliber. I did totally blow over the lady bug thing, however ;)

Perhaps a .32? Something similar to the Ladysmith?


And Johns right, Lady bugs in your home in winter are more or less a fact of life.



 
It's not a Webley cylinder:  it lacks the circumferential cuts at the back of the cylinder that one commonly sees on Webleys.

And it's not a Nagant cylinder: Nagants were seven-shooters.

The more I look at this, the more convinced I am that it's from an Enfield.  See this photo of an early production No 2 Mk I.