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  <title>Comments for The persistence (and malleability) of memory</title>
  <subtitle>We&apos;re the Military and Airpower Guys of Jonah Goldberg of National Review Online + a stray we found wandering around looking lost.  All original material JHD, BHD, JR, WT,  and KA 2003-2010</subtitle>
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    <published>2009-11-20T12:49:42Z</published>
    <updated>2009-11-20T14:07:00Z</updated>
    <title>The persistence (and malleability) of memory</title>
    <summary><![CDATA[They were soldiers once...And young.50 years after the event, and there they are, rushing across the field where so many of their comrades died, for the benefit of the camera.&nbsp; And they look like they're having a good time, in that perverse way that many who've never seen the elephant don't understand.And it's simple.&nbsp; They remember the good.&nbsp; The Cause.&nbsp; The bond of brothers-in-arms.&nbsp; A bond of an intensity that rivals and can exceed marriage.The Auld Soldier, when he retired, put away many things military.&nbsp;He kept an intellectual interest, to be sure, and his closest friends were a retired Marine...]]></summary>
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      <name>The Armorer</name>
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      <![CDATA[They were soldiers once...<br /><br /><img alt="Survivors of Pickett's charge re-enact the charge at the 1913 reunion.  " src="http://www.fototime.com/947C5BECD8676B9/standard.jpg" /><br /><br /><br />And young.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.keithrocco.com/"><img alt="Pickett's Charge, by Keith Rocco." src="http://www.fototime.com/FFC90AF3B2E4465/orig.jpg" /></a><br /><br />50 years after the event, and there they are, rushing across the field where so many of their comrades died, for the benefit of the camera.&nbsp; And <a href="http://www.fototime.com/0935BD476096EEB/orig.jpg">they look like they're having a good time</a>, in that perverse way that many who've never seen the elephant don't understand.<br /><br />And it's simple.&nbsp; They remember the good.&nbsp; The Cause.&nbsp; The bond of brothers-in-arms.&nbsp; A bond of an intensity that rivals and can exceed marriage.<br /><br />The Auld Soldier, when he retired, put away many things military.&nbsp;He kept an intellectual interest, to be sure, and his closest friends were a retired Marine Colonel&nbsp;and retired&nbsp;Navy Captain.&nbsp;But a couple of years ago, he attended a reunion of the battalion he commanded in Vietnam.&nbsp; <br /><br />He came back uplifted and&nbsp;energized.&nbsp; I really wish I had gone with him.&nbsp; If duty allows, I will go to the next reunion of the Regiment, because I.want.the.stories that he never told.&nbsp; An abiding sorrow with his passing was the fact we were negotiating him writing his Korea, Vietnam, and funny peacetime stories.&nbsp; <br /><br />When&nbsp;I finally figured out his passwords and got into his computer to rescue data from his Rotary responsibilities - I found two documents he had started the week before he took ill.<br /><br />Damn entropy, anyway.]]>
      
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    <id>tag:www.thedonovan.com,2009://1.11609-comment:95695</id>
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    <title>Comment from Grumpy on 2009-11-20</title>
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        <name>Grumpy</name>
        
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        <![CDATA[John, If and when the time is right, you'll go. &nbsp;But the fact, that you Father did or did not tell you a particular story is of little value. &nbsp;But there was a reason for his choice.]]>
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    <published>2009-11-20T23:52:25Z</published>
    <updated>2009-11-20T23:52:25Z</updated>
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    <id>tag:www.thedonovan.com,2009://1.11609-comment:95679</id>
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    <title>Comment from SangerM on 2009-11-20</title>
    <author>
        <name>SangerM</name>
        <uri>http://www.grandretort.com</uri>
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        <![CDATA[MCart, <br />
<br />
National Archives is always keen for new stuff, and the Smithsonian too, but is more selective, and of course, local historical societies and unit associations.&nbsp; Try asking around at the local VFW or contact the Navy historical office to see what they might be interested in.... &nbsp;There is a really decent Navy history site <a href="http://www.history.navy.mil" rel="nofollow">www.history.navy.mil</a> that has a great many pics of ships, etc.&nbsp; They would certainly be able to point you the right way....]]>
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    <published>2009-11-20T19:06:53Z</published>
    <updated>2009-11-20T19:06:53Z</updated>
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    <id>tag:www.thedonovan.com,2009://1.11609-comment:95674</id>
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    <title>Comment from MCart on 2009-11-20</title>
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        <name>MCart</name>
        
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        <![CDATA[I've only got two stories from my father, from the brownwater navy in Vietnam. The rest are lost forever. I'm working on one of his friends, who is fighting cancer, to pass on the stacks of photos and such that he has from Vietnam, but I can't find any sort of historical depository that he could pass them on to.<br />
<br />
Any suggestions?]]>
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    <published>2009-11-20T18:36:43Z</published>
    <updated>2009-11-20T18:36:43Z</updated>
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    <id>tag:www.thedonovan.com,2009://1.11609-comment:95666</id>
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    <title>Comment from SangerM on 2009-11-20</title>
    <author>
        <name>SangerM</name>
        <uri>http://www.grandretort.com</uri>
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        <![CDATA[John,&nbsp; as having just last night all but finished a project that I've been at for 2 years, I can tell you it's certainly worth the time to go.&nbsp; My wife goes to her father's Deepfreeze reunions, and I've taken to gate-crashing reuinions if I&nbsp;happen to be where one is going on, if I can find any commonality at all....&nbsp; The stories one hears and the connection to our elders is unbelievably fulfilling. &nbsp;That's one reason I'm so keen for what FbL is doing.&nbsp;&nbsp; Just how cool is THAT!?<br />
<br />
What also helps in the process of getting the stories pulled out is to take the personnel file and go through that a half dozen times, looking for every clue to locations, dates, etc.,&nbsp;then dig around on the web until you can match units to events, etc. &nbsp;We once found a picture of my father-in-law in an old National Geographic from when he was at the South Pole. The best part, though, as I've written before is what I learned about what was happening at the time.&nbsp; Reading about the battles, the places, the ships, the people, and trying to place my FiL in the proper context taught me a great deal. It is well worth the effort, even if it is bittersweet....<br />
<br />]]>
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    <published>2009-11-20T17:58:04Z</published>
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    <id>tag:www.thedonovan.com,2009://1.11609-comment:95659</id>
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    <title>Comment from exhelodrvr on 2009-11-20</title>
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        <name>exhelodrvr</name>
        <uri>http://HTTP://www.aol.com</uri>
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        <![CDATA[The National Archives have the unit records/reports - you can request the unit history and make copies of it&nbsp;(needs to be done in person), which will have daily operational reports, muster lists, casualty lists, etc.]]>
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    <published>2009-11-20T15:49:52Z</published>
    <updated>2009-11-20T15:49:52Z</updated>
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    <title>Comment from The Thomas on 2009-11-20</title>
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        <name>The Thomas</name>
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        <![CDATA[We are fortunate as my father kept a diary of his time overseas as a Seabee during Korea.<br />
It would probably be nice to load it up to Blogspot like that person did with the WWI soldier's letters.<br />
Somewhat interesting as he was at Amchitka AK doing survey work, not in Korea.<br />
He couldn't really talk about it until after the <em>Long Shot</em>, <em>Milrow</em>, and <em>Cannikin</em> AEC&nbsp;tests were completed in the late 60's early 70's.<br />
<br />
We did get stories from my mother's father about his time in the Meuse-Argonne during WWI and he had a pair of ledger sized books of photograph plates to back the tale in a Matthew Brady dead bodies kind of way. Too bad his records burned in the St Louis NPRC&nbsp;fire of 1973. It would have been nice to know more of what really happened, not just his stories.]]>
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    <published>2009-11-20T15:06:33Z</published>
    <updated>2009-11-20T15:06:33Z</updated>
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    <title>Comment from Argent on 2009-11-20</title>
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        <name>Argent</name>
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        <![CDATA[I have every confidence you'll find a way to make it happen.<br />
<br />
You will be alive and your father's life will touch you.<br />]]>
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    <published>2009-11-20T15:05:13Z</published>
    <updated>2009-11-20T15:05:13Z</updated>
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    <title>Comment from AFSister on 2009-11-20</title>
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        <![CDATA[I agree with Bill.&nbsp;&nbsp; GO.<br />
<br />
Go, and tell the stories your Dad never told you.&nbsp; Someone has to be the storyteller, lest the stories be forgotten.]]>
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    <published>2009-11-20T14:54:48Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from BillT on 2009-11-20</title>
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        <name>BillT</name>
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        <![CDATA[Go.<br />
<br />
You'll hear the stories of the Auld Soldier that the Auld Soldier wouldn't tell you, and you'll hear the stories that he *would* have, but didn't.<br />
<br />
You may hear enough to fill out that which he had intended to be read, and present that to his comrades at the reunion after next...<br />]]>
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    <published>2009-11-20T14:18:05Z</published>
    <updated>2009-11-20T14:18:05Z</updated>
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    <title>Comment from FbL on 2009-11-20</title>
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        <name>FbL</name>
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        <![CDATA[Ah, John...&nbsp; I hear you.&nbsp; Go.&nbsp; Don't you dare pass up that opportunity.&nbsp; As his son, you'll be allowed in on conversations they'd tell no one else.&nbsp; I had only scattered moments of tiny connection with the men I&nbsp;met last weekend, but I feel like I got to grab a few threads of history and try to weave them into my present.&nbsp; It'll be so much richer for you--a way to carry your father forward with you and everyone else who comes after.<br />]]>
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    <published>2009-11-20T13:31:31Z</published>
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