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Fast Pedal For War Fatigue


Last night, our Commander in Chief made a photo op out of his midnight visit to Dover Air Force Base. Why such a public display of grief over the repatriation of our dead? Sure, it will be said that he as Commander in Chief, has the solemn responsibility to render honors to those whom he ordered into battle. I on the other hand, contend that by making such a public display, he leads the charge in turning our country against our efforts in our War On Islamic Extremist *no-no* Global War On Terror *no-no* Man Made Foreign Contingency Tuggy Felings Operations.

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Will he also meet with the families?  The real "bar" was set very high by the former President who went out of his way to meet with very many of the families - you know, those who could still talk to him and maybe say things that were difficult to hear.  It took a big man to do what President Bush did.  Will this guy have what it takes to do that?   If he has time between rounds of golf and whining about the last administration and all, that is.
 
You know I don't really like my current leader but I wouldn't disparage him without good evidence for making a similar visit.  It rubs off on those who served too much and it would irritate me more that he chose not to go.

Meeting with the families I agree is a good thing.  There is much he needs to hear but will he listen?
 
Why such a public display of grief over the repatriation of our dead?

A silly question, Boquisucio.  This is Barry Lackwit we're talking about.  He makes a photo-op out of everything.  If he can't find a way to make himself look good while doing it, he doesn't do it.

 
obama has the right to be there as the commander in chief.

that said......

turning this into a photo op shows one thing. nothing is off limits for "the one" to to use to promote himself. this will backfire.
 
Well, my mother told me to always say something nice.

The President's saluting form is much better than the soldier he's standing next to.

I don't mind him going, and I don't mind him meeting the families.  All in his job description.

But, admittedly not being a fan, I wonder if he chose that casket because that's the family that allowed photographers?

Unworthy thoughts, perhaps, but I would have thought the same thing about President Bush in similar circumstances.  Except he didn't allow them.

Feh.
 
It may be unworthy, but I had a similar thought - did he render honors to every casket as it passed him?  His propensity for 'looking Presidential' without actually acting that way is far too well demonstrated.
 
I am a mom of an Army soldier serving now and I lost an Army son as a result of a non-combat accident while serving and when I saw this on Foxs News this morning it made me sick.  I immediately thought "photo op."  I believe President Obama positioning himself in the line with the soldiers is totally misplaced.  I know he is the Commander of our troops but I believe he should respect his position as the Commander.  His place should have been compassionately with the family without photos if he truly wanted to extend condolences.  Even if the family gave the consent for the photos, his place was by the side of the family. 

Personally, I would not have allowed the press or photos or this President to be present if one of my boys were brought home in this manner. 

Nothing President Obama does is short of a photo op which in this situation is very disrespectful.
 
I agree with Jean and others here. But even after saying that, I have to get down to what really bothers me about Obama (other than his fakeness and his dependence on others words and ideas), it is that he- by his words, deeds, history, aquaintances and friends  he just does not love America.

He just doesn't.

Papa Ray
Central (used to be West) Texas
 
According to the known timeline, Obama was working on his "memoir" or autobiography, Dreams From My Father, shortly after Clinton won the presidency in 1992. Obama would have been 31 or 32 years old at this point, and just 3 years after having graduated from Harvard Law School, with no career or professional experience to speak of.

WHO writes a memoir or autobiography at 31, with little to no history?

And what major national publisher advances enough money to finance a trip to Bali for such a person so that he can write the thing?

Besides the hubris and arrogance this demonstrates on the part of Obama, it just sounds fishy and contrived. Like he was already positioning himself for the office ... or being groomed by others for it.

And isn't it incongruous that a young 31 year old black male who rails against the American system because he believes it is so inherently racist that other young black males could never hope to be equal with their white peers, nevertheless believes that he, himself, can indeed someday become president?
 
"The President's saluting form is much better than the soldier he's standing next to."

One of those Officers is Deputy TJAG....a lawyer...further, deponent sayeth not.

 
Jean,
First let me say... you're a brave woman, and a proud mother.  I'm so very sorry for your loss.  Your perspective is interesting, and something I hadn't thought about  before:  why wasn't he standing with the families, instead of with the Soldiers?  Interesting angle.

I have a hard time pegging it as a complete photo opp, but it was certainly on purpose.
 
I really don't know what his underlying reason was for going.... but at least he's showing proper respect.  Like John, I also noticed his much-improved salute.  Some have said 'I wonder if he saluted for all of the coffins".  Don't know, and unless the other families speak up, we won't know for sure.  My gut is telling me yes, he did.  I have also read that he did, in fact, speak to the families.

I don't believe for a minute that he "gets" military families or the military in general, but I find it hard to be too critical of his presence last night.  If he never does it again, then we know for sure it was just a photo opp.  Until then, I'm willing to be open-minded, and will just leave it at "he knew pictures and video would be taken, but I don't think that was the entire reason he was there." 
 
Well if it were someone else, I would probably say this was not a photo op. But with it being The Won, it most certainly is. Why would you let any press in on this at that time of the night if it weren't meant to be an op. If this was a sincere move on his part, he should have gone to Dover, paid his respects to the Fallen Soldiers and their Families and flown back th D.C. without cameras there to document his support of our Military. My personal vote.....FAKE....FAIL
 
I agree with others here, I will not attack the man for doing what CinC would normally do.

That being said....  If we were not already bombarded with all the evidence we have that he is not the Hope and Change that we all   52% of us voted for, would there be any questions about this at all?

My hope is this:  Regardless of the circumstances, whether genuine or "photo op," that got him there, the experience itself will perhaps help to sink home to him that the decisions he makes affects individuals from all walks of life, and not everything is something for him to benefit from personally.
 
JamesLee - I wish I shared your optimism about the One learning anything that would require a heart to learn...
 
One must have humility to learn.  Obama has none.
 
only one family out of eighteen---that says it all.   I would like to know when the families were asked.  And if BO would have appeared at all if all the families said no.   And I agree with a comment from Blackfive's---why doesn't the form have a box for what the soldier wants??  I love my daughters-in-law, but would their decision trumph ours as parents of soldiers?   My first thought was, "photo op".  
 
[Edited by the siteowner to remove some of the more egregious Rulez violations - the Armorer] HE AINT NO LEADER AND HE THINKS HE CAN SOLVE THE WAR THROUGH FLOWER POWER [deleted].HILLARY IS WORTHLESS.[deleted] SHE TRIES TO SPEAK TOUGH BUT NO REAL ACTION.THESE FAR LEFT RADICAL COMMIE RATS WANT AMERICA TO BEND OVER WITH THEM LIKE WEAKLINGS SO THAT THE WORLD WILL LOVE AMERICA BUT THE WORLD WILL STILL HATE US AND ATTACK US ANYWAY.INSTEAD OF ACTION AGAINST IRAN OVER NUKES THEY DECLARE WAR ON FOX NEWS AND OUR FREEDOM OF SPEECH BECAUSE THE TRUTH BUGS THEM.THESE [deleted] HAVE [deleted] OUR CAPITAL BECAUSE STUPID PEOPLE BOUGHT INTO HIS HYPE AND LIES AND PURE BULLSHIT.
JUST TAKE A CLOSE LOOK AT THE PICTURE IT'S EASY TO SEE THAT IT IS FOR PROPAGANDA PURPOSE ONLY- FOR HIS SELFISH COMMIE [deleted} AGENDA.SO WAKE UP AMERICA AND LET'S VOTE THESE MORONS ENEMIES OF FREEDOM OFF THE CAPITAL GROUNDS AS SOON AS POSSIBLE BEFORE THEY WEAKEN OUR ARMED FORCES AND TAKE AWAY OUR FREEDOMS TO ARM OURSELVES AGAINST TYRANNY.THEY ARE USING THE MEDIA AS A WEAPON TO WIN OVER HEARTS AND MINDS AND THAT THE PURPOSE OF THIS PICTURE.HOLLYWOOD AND OTHERS HAVE JOINED THE BANDWAGON THINKING THEY CAN CONTROL THE WAY WE THINK BECAUSE THEY ARE 'STARS".OUR LEADERS THINK WE WORK FOR THEM AND HAVE TO FOLLOW LIKE SHEEP TO ANY UNJUST LAW THEY PASS- OH HOW WRONG THEY ARE!HBO AND LARRY DAVID THOUGHT IT WAS FUNNY TO PISS ON A PICTURE OF OUR LORD JESUS-CAN YOU BELIEVE THAT?AND HBO IS RIGHT ON THE OBAMA WAGON. SO WAKE UP WE ARE THE MAJORITY AND LET'S GET RID OF THESE [deleted] THAT ARE NO GOOD FOR OUR COUNTRY.....IN GOD WE TRUST! GIVE ME LIBERTY OR GIVE ME DEATH!
 
Michael, while we appreciate your passion and concern, around here we ask you to temper your language in consideration of others.
 
O.K JOHN I PROMISE TO BE A SWEETHEART NEXT TIME.GUESS I'M AN OLD TIMER NOW GOTTA BE TOUCHY- FEELY WITH THE NEW GENERATION BUT I PROMISE NOT TO SCARE ANYONE AWAY NEXT TIME AND BE A "GENTLEMAN"...A HOUSE DIVIDED CANNOT STAND-LINCOLN.
 
Oldloadr, I'm not certain I would classify that as 'optimism.'  I think I would just say hope, without actually expecting it.

In fact, my hopes are becoming more dashed as of this morning, reading Cap'n Ed's story this morning on questions about Real Media Outlets quietly changing the story on this, without explanation or editorial retraction.

Even though I'm a pretty partisan guy and a certified News Junkie (hey, I don't follow any sports and could care less about celebrity gossip, gotta do something with my time!), I still always try to give the benefit of the doubt and not be critical of someone just because they are on the "other" team.  But this Administration is proving over and over, day after day, that their best interests are not in the best interest of me, and I seriously fear not in the best interest of this nation.
 
Mike - no, you don't have to be touchy-feely - but scatalogical imagery and pointless profanity do things like... get your blog flagged by net-nanny software and gov't/corporate content filters so that your target audience can't get to you any more.  They may make you feel good, but they scare away the normals.

Nothing wrong with being critical - but you do have an obligation to remember this is a public space, not just the two of us hanging around the water cooler.
 
Thre's a Madness to Massa's Method.
 
I'm curious....where, exactly, does it say that he has the right to be there?  And, no, sorry, I don't accept that just being CinC is enough to convey that as a right....a legitimate reason, perhaps, but not a right.

 
SEE! ANOTHER ATTACK ON FREEDOM OF SPEECH!...NOT BY YOU JOHN BUT BY THE NET-NANNY HIJACKERS....A COOLER FULL OF BEER SOUNDS GOOD.HEY JOHN WHAT HAPPEN TO THE DISCUSSION ABOUT NEW ENLANDERS AND THE FLAG?IT SEEMED TO DISAPPEAR-DID THE NANNY- HIJACKERS EAT IT?
 
Mike - the flag story is still there, it just moved off the front page.

Only I or post authors can remove a post.  Well, not entirely true.  The server gremlins have been known to jigger the database, but they're just playful that way.
 
For the record, Mike, all caps are hard to read, while breathless hatred is hard to digest.  We all agree with some of what you wrote, I'd guess, so there's no need to yell all of that McCarthy-esque stuff at us.  It makes for unpleasant "oh no-it's-him-again" reading....

Also, Obama is by far not the first president to use the media to his advantage to manipulate the public (actually that kudo would have to go to TR, who started using the press to his advantage even before he was elected to high office), and Obama won't be the last.  In fact, IMO, one of the problems of the Bush Administration was the lack of media control, which is why Rumsfeld kept ending up a topic of discussion....  he should have been muzzled very early on.

 
HEY SANGERM I'M REALLY AN OLD SALT SO I'VE BEEN AROUND A LONG LONG TIME IN THE CASE OF PAST PRESIDENTS YEAH IT'S TRUE THEY CAPTURED THE MEDIA BY THE HORNS MOSTLY IN A POSITIVE WAY LIKE WHEN REAGAN WAS PRESIDENT AND HE CALLED THE U.S.S.R AN EVIL EMPIRE OR WHEN HOLLYWOOD JOINED THE FANFARE DURING WW2 AND MADE A BUNCH OF POSITIVE WAR MOVIES THAT HELPED AMERICA DEFEAT THE NAZI AND TOJO'S EMPIRE.OUR DEAR GENERAL PATTON AND MANY OTHERS USED "FOUL" WORDS TO GET THE JOB DONE AND THE ENEMY SHAKEN TO THE CORE.DURING VIETNAM MOST AMERICANS UNKNOWNLY( INCLUDING ME) TRUSTED NEWS ANCHORS ON ABC,NBC,AND CBS ONLY LATER DISCOVERING THAT THEY WERE A BUNCH OF LIBERALS AND I BLAME THEM FOR DIVIDING THE AMERICAN PEOPLE ON THE WAR THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT  NORTH VIETNAM WANTED TO HAPPEN AND THE AMERICAN PEOPLE FELL FOR IT AND WE CHEATED OUR SOLDIERS,MARINES,AND SAILORS FROM VICTORY- WE LET THEM BLEED AND DIE FOR NOTHING!THE MILITARY WAS DISGRACED WHILE THE COMMIES LAUGHED AND TALKED ABOUT HOW STUPID WEAK AND LITTLE WE ARE.REMEMBER JANE FONDA THE COMMIE'S USED HER FOR PROPAGANDA PURPOSE AND ALL THE MEDIA OUTLETS FELL FOR THE CON AND IT WAS UNBELIEVEABLE EVEN TO THE COMMIES IT WORKED.I COULD GO ON AND ON BUT LETS GET TO THE PRESENT TIME O.K NOW TODAY THE GOVERMENT OF OBAMA HAS SUCH A STRANGLEHOLD ON THE MEDIA THAT FREEDOM OF SPEECH IS TRULY IN LIMBO AND THESE FEW PAST GENERATIONS WHO DIDNT LIVE DURING THE COLD WAR OR DO NOT BELIEVE IN SERVING THEIR COUNTRY BECAUSE THEY HATE AMERICA EVEN IF AMERICA GIVES THEM THE FREEDOM TO HATE AMERICA THEY HATE AMERICA AND ARE BRAINWASHED BY HOLLYWOOD LIBRAL MEDIA.SO BEFORE YOU ACCUSE ME OF HATE JUST LOOK THE OTHER WAY AND YOU'LL FIND THE TRUE HATERS....THEY MOCK OUR LORD ACTUALLY PISSING ON HIS FACE..THEY RIP THEY'RE OWN FLAG AND MAKE MOVIES ABOUT HOW TO KILL BUSH BUT NO NO OBAMA IS THE MESSIAH.THESE TIME'S ARE THE MOST DANGEROUS TIMES I CAN RECALL IN MY LIFE SO WAKE UP BEFORE WE LOSE IT ALL.AND REMEMBER IT'S PERFECTLY ALLOWED BY GOD THAT IF WE MUST, THEN WE FIGHT FIRE WITH FIRE EVEN IF IT CALLS FOR VULGAR WORDS -BETTER WORDS THAN BLOOD- BUT MOST TIMES WORDS WHETHER SWEET OR VULGAR DONT WORK-LETS HOPE IT DOESNT COME TO THAT POINT BUT IT SEEMS TO BE HEADING THAT WAY SO DIGEST IT. IT'S NOT ABOUT HATE AND LIES IT'S ABOUT OUR FREEDOMS-GOTTA FIGHT FIRE WITH FIRE SOMETIMES TO PRESERVE IT...OH AND ABOUT BUSH WELL OF COURSE NOT! BECAUSE THE MEDIA HAD FINALLY SHOWN IT'S TRUE COLORS THAT HAD BEEN HIDDEN IN A CLOSET FOR AWHILE BUT NOW WITH THIS NEW GENERATION WHY NOT! SO YOU ACCUSE ME WHO HAS NOTHING BUT LOVE FOR MY COUNTRY " A HATER" BECAUSE I USE TOUGH WORDS ?TOUGHEN UP PAL I JUST GREW UP IN A DIFFERENT GENERATION WHERE A SGT WOULD KICK YOU IN THE BALLS FOR PUSSYFOOTING AROUND.AND IT'S NOT HATE OH I'M SICK OF THIS!
 
o.k for your eyes only sangerm.listen McCarty had some fine points why?because it's true that half of hollywood stars are students of karl marx and members of the commie party.did you know that Lucy Ball was openly a commie?there really is a SOCIALIST COMMIE PARTY in the Grand ole'U.S.A  and has always been just like the NAZI PARTY.have you ever seen any news media attack the COMMIE PARTY like they do the NAZI PARTY?and guess what COMMIE MEMBERSjust voted for OBAMA.....OBAMA surrounds himself with MARXIST MEMBERS.....remember that black guy VAN JONES an advicer to OBAMA well VAN JONES IS A BIG TIME COMMIE- too bad FOX exposed HIM AND THATS why OBAMA HATES FOX. Now lets get back to McCarty the media picked him apart one by one till every AMERICAN took him as a some wierdo--the media is a powerful weapon aint it.later in the years HBO FILMS made a movie about him that pictured him as a wacko and it WORKED!HEY i'm not saying McCarty is my freaking HERO here.i'm just saying he really did expose the RICH ELITES and their memberships in tha COMMIE PARTY.hey and look at all them stars that have cuddled up with HUGO LIKE SEAN PENN,ROBERT REDFORD.DANNY CLOVER just to name a few...it's no lie or shouting 'who done this or dat " if it's spoooky i'm sorry but it's true.....
 
Mike,

   I'm really sorry, but I just can't read all of that (all caps is hard on the eye), but I get the gist....  

   That said, I'll also say that, fortunately, I was NOT in the generation where an NCO would assault you for the fun of it, just to prove he could.  All of my NCOs were former Vietnam vets except for the very occassional Korea vet; and except for the few MacNamara's 100,000 guys, they were all generally pretty decent folks.  Not really into having to prove they were old-movie-stye Jack Webb DI tough-guys.  And I never had to strike a sober subordinate to make him or her do what was needed.   It just wasn't required in my day.

   And re: the hater comment, well, I calls 'em like I see 'em.  All of what you wrote just wasn't necessary or correct, and I found it a bit over the top and more than a little hateful.  If you think I need to toughen-up, that's ok.  I'd say in response you need to take a deep breath and enjoy the good of the world too.  It really isn't all going to end in 2012, or next month, and all of those people you excoriated with such vile commentary are still, after all, doing what they deem best.  They may not feel about things the way you or I do, but that doesn't mean I agree with all what you wrote either.  And I don't think  the solution to our current administration is mayhem, murder, and the sorts of things you seem to think are our only recourse.  I'm sorry, but I just don't feel the need to bolt the door and take up arms against the government.  Not yet, at least.

And finally, I like Patton a lot, but he didn't use foul words to shake the enemy to the core, he did it to scare American soldiers and because he was a crass egomaniac.  I tend to cuss a lot, too, but I do try not to indulge around people I don't know or among folks who'd rather not hear it.

Just sayin'
 
well done sangerm-this is america and i hope you can read this without the caps on.yeah i know patton thought he was a roman in a past life.he didnt really have an ego just a hot quick temper and when you have slugs flying in all directions and you have blood on your lips you would- just couldnt blame patton for cussing -in my book it's not about degrading but mently preparing one for the worse.for some it works and for others it dont.the russians still prepare soldiers with this method  a method we used in the past.anyway i'm far from a warmonger i never said a damm thing about loading up for a war here and yeah we'll still be able to relax in our lazy boy chairs in 2012 or whenever but if we dont wake up and use our vote then our children will have the freedom to do nothing.our freedom can be took away without a bullet it's so fragile but most of us think that these things can never happen in america because we are so in to ourselves with our freedom.we depend so much on technology today take away that and what do we have.anyway i dont hate nothing but commie's and nazi's and believe me i'll never bolt up my door that's really funny.
 
I feel another award coming......How about an Oscar for his performance?????
 
Yeah! and Obama will have them signed and numbered and Al Gore will show a  tear calling it the "greatest picture" since George Washington posed for his painting. then the Clinton clan will give a smirk and then Nancy Pelosi will be jumping and clapping non-stop till her escorts kindly get her away from the spotlight.we'll see what happens and dont be shocked if it all comes true.i mean they already got some school kid's singing about their Dear Leader Obama.no not in North Korea but  right here in the U.S.A. believe it or not in congress a Zealot wrote a bill that would extend the number of terms a President can serve From 4 to 6.i dont believe it'll ever pass but think about it and if you dont believe me i'll kindly look it back up and show you.I'M A LIFETIME N.R.A MEMBER and they keep me informed on stuff like that.everyone who owns a gun should join the N.R.A why because they Fight for your Rights and your Freedom.
 

I'am glad to be an American

I'M  Happy to be Free

But i wish i were a Doggy and Obama a Tree.

hey little net nanny-gov hijackers send this to GIBBS.