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Oh, Noes! The Dog Ate Global Warming!

Heh. All the data used to pronounce our self-imposed extinction by being consumed by drowning polar bears normal interglacial climate change Anthropogenic Global Warming is -- *yawngasp* gone! But...but...but...gosh-a-rootie, where did this critical-to-humanity's-survival information go and when did it disappear?

From Patrick J. Michaels at NRO and Anthony Watts of Watts Up With That comes this goody:

Imagine if there were no reliable records of global surface temperature. Raucous policy debates such as cap-and-trade would have no scientific basis, Al Gore would at this point be little more than a historical footnote, and President Obama would not be spending this U.N. session talking up a (likely unattainable) international climate deal in Copenhagen in December.

Steel yourself for the new reality, because the data needed to verify the gloom-and-doom warming forecasts have disappeared.

Or so it seems. Apparently, they were either lost or purged from some discarded computer. Only a very few people know what really happened, and they aren’t talking much. And what little they are saying makes no sense.

Now, what explanations do the scientists Gorbal Worming data-collectors at East Anglia give for not having the data that, well, ummmmmm, make no sense? Paraphrased:

To Michaels: "Yes, we have the data, but we're not going to give it to you because you're not a scientist."

To a scientist: "Yes, we have the data, but we're not going to give it to you because you'll only use it to try to prove our conclusion is wrong."

To the scientist's associate: "Yes, we have the data, but we're not going to give it to you because you're not an academician."

To an academician: "Yes, we have the data, but we're not going to give it to you because we have confidentiality agreements with our Third World researchers."

To requests for the data made under the Freedom of Information Act: "It's not available, because we ran out of storage space on our computer and deleted it and oh, darn, by the way, we think somebody threw that computer away about twenty years ago."

Then a gentleman from Georgia Tech named Peter Webster pipes up and says, "Well, gee, that can't be right -- you guys sent me that data just this past *June*."


If we are to believe Jones’s note to the younger Pielke, CRU adjusted the original data and then lost or destroyed them over twenty years ago. The letter to Warwick Hughes may have been an outright lie. After all, Peter Webster received some of the data this year. So the question remains: What was destroyed or lost, when was it destroyed or lost, and why?

Good questions.

Anybody wanna bet dollars to doughnut holes that this story *won't* be newsworthy to the Dead Tree Media?

Speaking of trees, is there anyone at all in the "Carbon dioxide is a poison" EPA who is, like, y'know, familiar with the botanilogiwockcal fact that *trees* exhale carbon dioxide as soon as the sun goes down? *Lots* of it?

Lemme rephrase that: Is there anybody in the EPA hierarchy who has passed a high school Introduction to Science course?

Didn't think so...


Losing the original data is inexcusable if that's what happened.

However I know a colleague who went with the US EPA she's quite qualified thanks much. In fact she's quite a clever cookie.

Good. Maybe she can help rid the agency of its half-baked ideas...

  I am sick to death of Glowbull Warming hysteria.

  To think that humans can, in any appreciable manner, affect the climate of this planet is breathtakingly naive and narcissistic at the same time.

  Those who support this concept are a living phenomona themselves, as they both suck and blow at the same time...  :)
Popping over to Watts' site is worth it for the comments from the 'way-smarter-than-I-am folks, i.e., people who, like BCR, actually *are* scientists: "Can't they do better than 'My dog ate it and crapped in my bookbag'?"
One wonders whether there's incompetence or the data was dodgy and they want to hide it.  Ah yes my trust int the basal nature of humans as bumbling crooks is reinstated again.
"Reinstated again?"

Gad, how many chances are you giving us?
Bumbling is the word. Jones didn't even concoct a decent alibi or check his replies for consistency.

Sheesh -- I wouldn't trust him to research the difference between baby barf and applebutter...
Well, yes, the data are dodgy:
And by the way, I STILL have the original data I based my doctoral thesis on, 15 years later.  The raw files, hot off the electron spectrometer.  Plus, in full-blown paranoia at the time I  mailed copies to my parents in a different state and kept another copy in my freezer in a baggie (no, not practicing to be a Congresscritter--that was the poor grad student's firebox).  I Do.Not.Believe they lost the original files.  They may have destroyed them (a pretty serious accusation) or they could just be very bad liars, but I don't think they lost them.
As I remember it, this old Earth runs on its own cycle. All of man's actions are not going to change it. The result is the same as a man pithing  into the wind. No names, but I suspect there are some old pharts here, who will fully understand the next sentence. "Some of these so-called scientists, in the larger debate, not here, remind me of a group of people from the 60's called, 'flower-children', more commonly known as, 'blooming idiots'.
Now, since the CRU was *funded* by the US Department of Energy, we'd think the DoE would have asked for the data, wouldn't we? If they *didn't* -- after they went and paid for it -- we'd think some bureaucratic heads would roll, wouldn't we? I mean, wouldn't we expect that from a bureaucracy established by Uh-oh. Jimmeh Cottuh... Silly us.

First of all, I am not going to defend those morons at the CRU. And I am not going to start into Global Warming.    But let's just admit that we *do* have a looming crisis in loss of detail data.   I could write at length at this, but just consider letters vs email.   Scrolls vs books vs movies or TV.  Like or not a significant amount of NASA's raw data is long gone.   Heck, NASA even lost the original video of Apollo 11 !!  You would think that would be in a climate controlled case, right?    No, they had to beg borrow and cajole copies from around the world to recreate an anniversary copy (not the same as - but brings back memories of the original Star Wars saw in the theatre in K.C. (thanks John) vs what we see on DVD now.   U.S. Census, important right?  Much of the tapes on that from the 50's, 60's ---- gone.    Media longevity, and reader compatiblity  (mark my words) means that we are going to have a dark ages period from the 1960s until the early 21st century as our great-grandchildren look back into history.

So, my point?   Yes, original data has been and will be lost (with the exception of BCR of course).   Like it or not.   But my credibility level of "honest errors" with these jokers is underwater.

Yes, original data has been and will be lost...

That's indisputable. What's in dispute is whether *this* set of original data was lost, destroyed, or merely being kept under wraps. If it was indeed lost or destroyed twenty years ago, the whole rationale for a host of oppressive economic initiatives must of necessity be based on faith rather than hard facts.

I love it. It's telling Libs that Teh Won is pushing for faith-based initiatives...
"They may have destroyed them (a pretty serious accusation) or they could just be very bad liars, but I don't think they lost them."
Or, they invented the 'raw data', which explains why they conveniently can't find it now.
@Barb, "Or, they 'invented the raw data',"  Is that anything like "creative bookkeeping" and the IRS?

@Prestonious, you're dead on target, when you speak of a present day "Dark Ages" from the 60's  to the Early 21st Century.

@To all, I guess I'm not the only cynic when it comes to politicians in this crowd. (Snicker, Snicker) I'm not the most creative of people, one blogger had a footer at the bottom saying of George W. Bush, "Hell no, I don't support him, I'm an American, not a jockstrap!"

 Heh.  Speaking of the original Star Wars movies, when the "new" movies started coming out, I decided to spend the money on a boxed set of the original original movies (on VHS), so even though you can't get them anymore, I have them... I don't like that they added the young Anakin at the end of the third movie...
There's a malevolent purpose behind the whole environmental and "Green" movement, and it's being conducted by the same caliber of people that Obama is appointing to his cabinet and czar positions:

10 years ago, I, myself, would have considered this just another one of those crazy "New World Order" conspiracy stories.  Now, I believe it because I see it happening.

We need to wake up before it's too late.