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  <title>Comments for Uncivil disobedience?</title>
  <subtitle>We&apos;re the Military and Airpower Guys of Jonah Goldberg of National Review Online + a stray we found wandering around looking lost.  All original material JHD, BHD, JR, WT,  and KA 2003-2010</subtitle>
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    <published>2009-08-11T18:49:04Z</published>
    <updated>2009-08-11T19:01:54Z</updated>
    <title>Uncivil disobedience?</title>
    <summary><![CDATA[Heh.&nbsp; Regarding Senator Reid, and Representatives Pelosi&nbsp;and Hoyer&nbsp;and their fellow travelers... this sounds like a good start, and is a nice historical precedent.&nbsp; From Gordon Wood's An Empire of Liberty, H/t, Rich Lowry.

Now the people had a chance to make their resentment felt. Throughout the country public meetings composed of both political parties denounced the law that had raised the salaries of congressmen. Several state legislatures along with Fourth of July orators bitterly condemned it. Glasses were raised in criticism; the compensation law, noted one New York editor, was &ldquo;toasted until it is black.&rdquo; In Georgia opponents even burned the members of Congress in effigy.

Critics of the raise were especially incensed at Congressman Wright&rsquo;s indiscreet comment about not being able to enjoy a good glass of wine and cited it over and over to great effect. Popular outrage was unprecedented, and the reputation of Congress was severely tarnished. Even congressmen who had voted against the law had to promise humbly to work to repeal it and to return the salary they had already received. In the fall elections of 1816 nearly 70 percent of the Fourteenth Congress was not returned to the Fifteenth Congress. In January 1817 a chastened lame-duck Fourteenth Congress met to debate the issue of exactly what representation meant, and by and large it determined that the people had every right to instruct their congressmen.
Mind you - no hurting anything but their feelings and their job security.]]></summary>
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      <name>The Armorer</name>
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      <![CDATA[Heh.&nbsp; Regarding Senator Reid, and <a href="http://blogs.usatoday.com/oped/2009/08/unamerican-attacks-cant-derail-health-care-debate-.html">Representatives Pelosi&nbsp;and Hoyer&nbsp;</a>and their fellow travelers... this sounds like a good start, and is a nice historical precedent.&nbsp; From Gordon Wood's <a href="http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0195039149/ref=nosim/nationalreviewon"><em>An Empire of Liberty</em></a>, H/t, <a href="http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=OWVlMzNiMmFjNDljMzYwNmExZTIzZWU1ZTdjMzc3NjI=">Rich Lowry.</a><br /><blockquote><div>Now the people had a chance to make their resentment felt. Throughout the country public meetings composed of both political parties denounced the law that had raised the salaries of congressmen. Several state legislatures along with Fourth of July orators bitterly condemned it. Glasses were raised in criticism; the compensation law, noted one New York editor, was &ldquo;toasted until it is black.&rdquo; In Georgia opponents even burned the members of Congress in effigy.<br /><br />Critics of the raise were especially incensed at Congressman Wright&rsquo;s indiscreet comment about not being able to enjoy a good glass of wine and cited it over and over to great effect. Popular outrage was unprecedented, and the reputation of Congress was severely tarnished. Even congressmen who had voted against the law had to promise humbly to work to repeal it and to return the salary they had already received. In the fall elections of 1816 nearly 70 percent of the Fourteenth Congress was not returned to the Fifteenth Congress. In January 1817 a chastened lame-duck Fourteenth Congress met to debate the issue of exactly what representation meant, and by and large it determined that the people had every right to instruct their congressmen.</div></blockquote>Mind you - no hurting anything but their feelings and their job security.]]>
      
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    <title>Comment from Jon The Mechanic on 2009-08-11</title>
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        <![CDATA[Remember, if you are protesting a &quot;reich wing, jackbooted despot who wants to listen in on you while you talk to your old college buddy in Tripoli about his recipe for nuclear chili&quot;, you are a patriot and a hero. <br />
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However, if you question the wisdom of your &quot;betters&quot; in making sure that your every need and want are taken care of, you are a dangerous thug who needs to be watched.<br />]]>
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    <published>2009-08-11T21:55:24Z</published>
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    <id>tag:www.thedonovan.com,2009://1.11146-comment:91963</id>
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    <title>Comment from BillT on 2009-08-11</title>
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        <![CDATA[<em>Drowning out opposing views is simply un-American.</em>&nbsp; Nancy Pelosi<br />
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But, of course, when *she* engages in interruptory slap-downs, she's merely asserting her natcherul-borned *rights*...<br />
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    <published>2009-08-11T20:18:03Z</published>
    <updated>2009-08-11T20:18:03Z</updated>
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