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  <title>Comments for How did Senator Kennedy earn burial rights in Arlington?</title>
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    <published>2009-08-27T14:32:09Z</published>
    <updated>2009-08-27T18:30:07Z</updated>
    <title>How did Senator Kennedy earn burial rights in Arlington?</title>
    <summary><![CDATA[A question that has been chapping some people, both in comments here and in email.Simple.&nbsp; He is eligible under the existing rules.Senators who spend 2 years in the Army and 40 years in the Senate qualify for Arlington. It isn't PFC Kennedy that is being buried there, in a sense.Associate Justice of the Supreme Court Thurgood Marshall, who never served in uniform, is buried in Arlington.&nbsp; Arlington is considered a national treasure and is managed a bit differently from the other cemeteries in the system.Specifically, the guidance that qualifies Senator Kennedy is this:g. Any former member of the Armed Forces...]]></summary>
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      <name>The Armorer</name>
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      <![CDATA[A question that has been chapping some people, both in comments here and in email.<br /><br />Simple.&nbsp; He is eligible under the existing rules.<br /><br />Senators who spend 2 years in the Army and 40 years in the Senate qualify for Arlington. It isn't PFC Kennedy that is being buried there, in a sense.<br /><br />Associate Justice of the Supreme Court Thurgood Marshall, who never served in uniform, is buried in Arlington.&nbsp; Arlington is considered a national treasure and is managed a bit differently from the other cemeteries in the system.<br /><br />Specifically, <a href="http://www.arlingtoncemetery.org/funeral_information/guide.interment.html">the guidance that qualifies Senator Kennedy is this</a>:<br /><br /><br /><em>g. <strong>Any former member of the Armed Forces who served on active duty</strong> (other than for training) and who held any of the following positions: <br /></em><div style="margin-left: 40px"><em><br />1. <strong>An elective office of the U.S. Government <br /></strong>2. Office of the Chief Justice of the United States or of an Associate Justice of the Supreme Court of the United States. <br />3. An office listed, at the time the person held the position, in 5 USC 5312 or 5313 (Levels I and II of the Executive Schedule). <br />4. The chief of a mission who was at any time during his/her tenure classified in Class I under the provisions of Section 411, Act of 13 August 1946, 60 Stat. 1002, as amended (22 USC 866) or as listed in State Department memorandum dated March 21, 1988. <br /></em><br />&nbsp;</div><br />Emphasis mine.&nbsp; Justice Marshall was buried under <a href="http://www.arlingtoncemetery.org/funeral_information/guide.eligibility.html#exception">an exception to policy</a>.<br /><br />End of story.&nbsp; In this instance, there is no special consideration being given to anyone (other, I suspect, than to *where* Senator Kennedy will be buried in Arlington).<br /><br />Update: In light of Alan's comment, I feel I should add this, too: I have no gripe with Senator Kennedy being buried in Arlington - and I wouldn't even if he was going in on an exception to policy, such as Justice Marshall did.&nbsp; But that's not relevant, for the simple fact that Senator Kennedy meets the qualifications.]]>
      
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    <title>Comment from Pat Miller on 2009-09-01</title>
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        <name>Pat Miller</name>
        
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        <![CDATA[<p>Please remember that Arlington National Cemetery is run by the Army and not part of the National Cemetery system run by the Veterans Administration. Without his elected service, Ted&nbsp;Kennedy, US&nbsp;Army veteran, would NOT&nbsp;have been eligible for burial at Arlington National Cemetery. Military retirees, yes. Veterans, no, unless they were awarded a Silver Star or above. <br />
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As for spouses, only those who are also veterans, can reserve the adjacent lot in a National Cemetery. The rest of us spouses who choose to be buried with our husbands share the space. <br />
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Widow of SGT&nbsp;DJ&nbsp;Miller, 1st AIR Cav<br />
Silver Star Medal 18 Feb 1968 Quang Tri Province, RVN<br />
Died 23 Sep 2008 due to Agent Orange/Diabetes <br />
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    <published>2009-09-01T22:25:19Z</published>
    <updated>2009-09-01T22:25:19Z</updated>
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    <id>tag:www.thedonovan.com,2009://1.11235-comment:92796</id>
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    <title>Comment from Jay White on 2009-09-01</title>
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        <name>Jay White</name>
        
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        Spouses of intered veterans may reserve the adjacent plot at time of vets interment. This is done through the funeral arrangements.
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    <published>2009-09-01T19:12:04Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Larry Brooks on 2009-08-31</title>
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        <![CDATA[My only gripe is that Arlington National Cemetary seemed to have reserved a spot for Senator Kennedy...why are there so many open graves in that section?&nbsp; Makes you wonder if some prior arrangments were made to reserve that section of the cemetary.&nbsp; No space is supposed to be reserved in a National Cemetary, other than this I find it fitting that he was laid to rest in Arlington.]]>
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    <published>2009-08-31T17:11:30Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from John of Argghhh! on 2009-08-27</title>
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        <name>John of Argghhh!</name>
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        <![CDATA[All good fodder for discussion of Kennedy's legacy (and his contributions to the poisoned rhetorical environment we trudge through)&nbsp;John, &nbsp;but not a basis for denying him a space in Arlington.<br />
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If the Right were to&nbsp;bellow and breast-beat&nbsp;and succeed (neither of which will happen, regardless) the Left would&nbsp;retaliate when President Bush or any similar figure of the Right passes, were the decision&nbsp;be to inter&nbsp;at Arlington.<br />
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There are plenty of imperfect people interred in Arlington.&nbsp; The reality is, unless you are convicted of a capital crime (and I don't think Kopechne's death would rise to that level, however much we think justice was not served in her case) if you qualify, you aren't going to be denied a space.<br />
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<a href="http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&amp;GRid=4569" rel="nofollow">To answer your question - Saint Vincent's Cemetery, Larksville, Pennsylvania </a>- I admit I had to Google it.&nbsp;&nbsp;Justice Thomas and Judge Bork will have to ask <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ray_Donovan" rel="nofollow">Ray Donovan where you go to get your reputation back</a>.&nbsp; <br />
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In Justice Thomas' case, at least, the best revenge is living well.]]>
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    <published>2009-08-28T03:16:57Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from John (not the armorer) on 2009-08-27</title>
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        <name>John (not the armorer)</name>
        
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        <![CDATA[Anyone know where Mary Jo Kopechne is buried?<br />
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How about the reputations of&nbsp; Justice Thomas and Judge Bork, other victims of the Chappaquidick kid?<br />
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    <published>2009-08-28T00:13:44Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from John of Argghhh! on 2009-08-27</title>
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        <![CDATA[They will not,as I understand it.&nbsp; But under certain circumstances, you can request to be buried in the same spot he is.<br />
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In fact, if that's a busy cemetery, the spot next to him may already be filled.]]>
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    <published>2009-08-27T21:27:12Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from MM2 on 2009-08-27</title>
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        <![CDATA[OT.<br />
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&nbsp; My brother was recently laid to rest in Willamette National Cemetary. When's it's my turn I would like to lay next to him. Does anyone know if they will reserve that plot for me?]]>
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    <published>2009-08-27T20:42:32Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Colin on 2009-08-27</title>
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        As a Canadian I was curious of what he did to deserve this, the military time I am ok with, the other would stick in my throat if I was a US citizen, politicans can have their own place of honour as far as I am concerned.
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    <published>2009-08-27T20:08:32Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from KCSteve on 2009-08-27</title>
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        <![CDATA[...as to <strong>where</strong>...<br />
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Do they still have privies there?&nbsp; Those holding tanks need a good, stable floor.]]>
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    <published>2009-08-27T18:24:22Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from John of Argghhh! on 2009-08-27</title>
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        <![CDATA[A fair point, Alan, and one reason I put up this post.<br />
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Clearly, Senator Kennedy is a polarizing figure - but you almost have to ask what prominent politician isn't these days, given the way political discourse occurs, a subject Cassandra has been typing about a lot of late.]]>
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    <published>2009-08-27T18:24:06Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from JamesLee on 2009-08-27</title>
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        <![CDATA[Sen Kennedy served his country, both in and out of uniform.&nbsp; As it clearly meets the criteria, there is no reason in my mind he shouldn't be buried with others of his family.<br />
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One thing you have to give to Kennedy, as much as I couldn't stand (almost)&nbsp;anything that he believed in, is that he was up front and honest about where he stood and what he believed, unlike many others these days.<br />
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&lt;&lt;braces for incoming&gt;&gt;]]>
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    <published>2009-08-27T15:33:10Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from BillT on 2009-08-27</title>
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        Arlington is a national treasure. 

Not everyone buried there is.
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    <published>2009-08-27T15:03:44Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Alan on 2009-08-27</title>
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        <name>Alan</name>
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        <![CDATA[&nbsp;At a certain point, isn't there an end to politics which still includes national pride. &nbsp;It is a sad comment on the times when this would even be a question given the qualification. &nbsp;]]>
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    <published>2009-08-27T14:49:55Z</published>
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