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  <title>Comments for That&apos;s not one or two leaves - that&apos;s a tree!</title>
  <subtitle>We&apos;re the Military and Airpower Guys of Jonah Goldberg of National Review Online + a stray we found wandering around looking lost.  All original material JHD, BHD, JR, WT,  and KA 2003-2010</subtitle>
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    <published>2009-06-22T12:28:39Z</published>
    <updated>2009-06-22T13:24:24Z</updated>
    <title>That&apos;s not one or two leaves - that&apos;s a tree!</title>
    <summary><![CDATA[In the comments on my Father's Day post, the Auld Soldier opined thusly:&nbsp;No fringe (or fraying ) on the national flag. The Battalion colors were fringed and that is what shows below and to the right of the US flag. For Old Fat Sailor - yes, my A battery was split between two miserable 5th SF group camps on the Cambodian border for over six months. Not a hero,I was a professional soldier by choice, but I had a bunch of draftees I would put in that category.Dad&nbsp; This is vintage Dad.&nbsp; Concerned that someone would think he'd allow his...]]></summary>
    <author>
      <name>The Armorer</name>
      <uri>http://www.thedonovan.com</uri>
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      <![CDATA[<p>In the comments on my <a href="http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2009/06/fathers_day_200.html">Father's Day post</a>, the Auld Soldier opined thusly:<br />&nbsp;</p><blockquote>No fringe (or fraying ) on the national flag. The Battalion colors were fringed and that is what shows below and to the right of the US flag. For Old Fat Sailor - yes, my A battery was split between two miserable 5th SF group camps on the Cambodian border for over six months. <br /><br />Not a hero,I was a professional soldier by choice, but I had a bunch of draftees I would put in that category.<br /><br />Dad&nbsp; </blockquote><p>This is vintage Dad.&nbsp; Concerned that someone would think he'd allow his Colors to get frayed, a shout-out to a fellow-traveler of the&nbsp;times, and a&nbsp;deflection of honor to others, uncomfortable&nbsp;of a simple reality.&nbsp; <br /><br />In a good way - would that more persons of the political class would suffer such humility.&nbsp; As the words the Bard put in Duncan's mouth in Macbeth - <br />&nbsp;</p><blockquote>So well thy words become&nbsp;thee as thy&nbsp;<br />&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; wounds;<br />They smack of honour both. </blockquote><p>Or an echo of &nbsp;Captain Guy Henry, United States Army, shot through the face at the Battle of the Rosebud 17 June, 1876&nbsp;-&nbsp;<br />&nbsp;</p><blockquote>It is nothing.&nbsp; For this, are we soldiers. </blockquote>Spoken like a Regular. <p>&nbsp;</p><img alt="Colonel Tim Donovan's Purple Heart collection.  Gathered the hard way.  No stolen valor here." src="http://www.fototime.com/BB263CDB021976D/orig.jpg" /><br /><br />For those who don't know -&nbsp;the medal represents the first award,&nbsp; A bronze Oak Leaf Cluster represents a subsequent award.&nbsp; You do the math for&nbsp; Colonel Tim Donovan's Purple Heart collection. <br /><br />Gathered the hard way, not a pawn shop or eBay.<br /><br />No stolen valor here.&nbsp; <br /><br />That's not one or two leaves - that's a tree.&nbsp; And none of them a scratch requiring no treatment, or a slice on the hand from a c-rat can garnered jumping into a bunker in response to indirect on the other side of the firebase.&nbsp; Those are up close and personal - especially the bullets. &nbsp;I remember a time at Fort Leavenworth, back in '64, when the Auld Soldier had to take a short break from a softball game because Chinese grenade fragments were working their way out of his arm.<br /><br />Three in one war, four in the next.&nbsp; Neither of them popular wars where you came home to acclaim, either.&nbsp; One forgotten, un-noticed at home, almost.&nbsp;&nbsp;The other a source of division and rancor.&nbsp; &nbsp;Yet,&nbsp;no one went home early.&nbsp; No, one simply did their Duty to the best of their ability, as the oath demands.]]>
      
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    <id>tag:www.thedonovan.com,2009://1.10928-comment:90072</id>
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    <title>Comment from Justthisguy on 2009-06-26</title>
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        <name>Justthisguy</name>
        <uri>http://enemiesofthelibrary.blogspot.com</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p style="margin-left: 40px">So, I take it that the other two were through-and-through, or are they still in him?&nbsp; Whatever, those jagged chunks look like they were quite ouchy.&nbsp; Oh, and one of those looks like a pistol bullet.&nbsp; I'd like to hear the story belonging to that one.<br />
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<p style="margin-left: 40px">Lotsa folks have been instaneously killed dead by one hit from smaller objects than any of those.&nbsp; I am glad that's not the case here, otherwise I wouldn't get to read this site which would not exist, nor its owner.&nbsp; Or his Dad.</p>]]>
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    <published>2009-06-26T09:05:06Z</published>
    <updated>2009-06-26T09:05:06Z</updated>
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    <id>tag:www.thedonovan.com,2009://1.10928-comment:89982</id>
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    <title>Comment from Old Fat Sailor on 2009-06-23</title>
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        <name>Old Fat Sailor</name>
        
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        A cattle farmer up the road a ways by the name of Falls served on the barges-I;ll pass the word.
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    <published>2009-06-24T01:05:20Z</published>
    <updated>2009-06-24T01:05:20Z</updated>
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    <id>tag:www.thedonovan.com,2009://1.10928-comment:89976</id>
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    <title>Comment from XBradTC on 2009-06-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>XBradTC</name>
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        <![CDATA[I don't know whether the national colors have a higher precedent than the national flag. What I do know is that the national colors are strictly for the military, and our government flies the national flag, since we have civilian control of the military.<br />
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Indeed, national colors are strictly a unit phenomenon. Look at the headquarters of any post. They fly the national flag. The only time you see colors are mounted on a staff in a color guard. <br />]]>
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    <published>2009-06-23T17:36:12Z</published>
    <updated>2009-06-23T17:36:12Z</updated>
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    <id>tag:www.thedonovan.com,2009://1.10928-comment:89972</id>
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    <title>Comment from MaryAnn on 2009-06-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>MaryAnn</name>
        <uri>http://soldiersangelsgermany.blogspot.com/</uri>
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        <![CDATA[Godfrey Daniels is right!! Hugs to you, Auld Soldier. I bet you like 'em as much as your son, but I'm sending&nbsp;'em anyway&nbsp;:-)]]>
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    <published>2009-06-23T11:12:59Z</published>
    <updated>2009-06-23T11:12:59Z</updated>
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    <id>tag:www.thedonovan.com,2009://1.10928-comment:89968</id>
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    <title>Comment from Grimmy on 2009-06-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>Grimmy</name>
        
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        <![CDATA[The Old Breed. Setting the standards that others try to follow but too often fail.<br />
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God Bless em all and your dad in particular. Not all the Old Breed pass on their strength and integrity as yours did.]]>
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    <published>2009-06-23T06:13:51Z</published>
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    <id>tag:www.thedonovan.com,2009://1.10928-comment:89965</id>
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    <title>Comment from Rod Thorsen on 2009-06-23</title>
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        <name>Rod Thorsen</name>
        
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        <![CDATA[Well done Sir.<br />]]>
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    <published>2009-06-23T05:15:11Z</published>
    <updated>2009-06-23T05:15:11Z</updated>
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    <id>tag:www.thedonovan.com,2009://1.10928-comment:89964</id>
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    <title>Comment from Barb on 2009-06-22</title>
    <author>
        <name>Barb</name>
        <uri>http://barbette.blogspot.com</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>That's quite a tree.&nbsp;Auld Soldier, sir - Thank you.&nbsp; I'm glad you made it home to your family.</p>]]>
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    <published>2009-06-23T01:19:08Z</published>
    <updated>2009-06-23T01:19:08Z</updated>
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    <title>Comment from John of Argghhh! on 2009-06-22</title>
    <author>
        <name>John of Argghhh!</name>
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        <![CDATA[Yes, it does, and&nbsp; I dunno, Jim.&nbsp; Exigencies of war, perhaps?&nbsp; Maybe Dad will weigh in.&nbsp; I learned something today.&nbsp; I don't think I've ever heard the distinction between fringe and no-fringe, though once you said it, it was instantly clear to me, as well as why.]]>
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    <published>2009-06-22T19:55:15Z</published>
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    <id>tag:www.thedonovan.com,2009://1.10928-comment:89956</id>
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    <title>Comment from JimC on 2009-06-22</title>
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        <![CDATA[John,<br />
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Sorry to confuse.&nbsp; I&nbsp;must have been in weird mood.&nbsp; Its just 75 years ago most folks would know the difference between flag and a color, or perhaps I so fantasize, and now I&nbsp;find not many do.&nbsp; If we were a militaristic society, well, then everyone would know this difference caused by a fringe of gold.<br />
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My question was one of honors.&nbsp; Since a flag is a lesser symbol than a color, I wondered why the American Flag instead of the National Color?&nbsp; Seems to me ceremonies like that require both colors and the colors travel with units into harm's way.&nbsp; So what happened that the National Color was not present? &nbsp; Does this help any?<br />]]>
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    <published>2009-06-22T19:39:21Z</published>
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    <id>tag:www.thedonovan.com,2009://1.10928-comment:89953</id>
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    <title>Comment from Fishmugger on 2009-06-22</title>
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        <![CDATA[XBradTC...Ya think?<br />
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I should ask John whether after all the Auld Soldier been through, the Army found a job for him teaching young LT's how to duck.]]>
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    <published>2009-06-22T17:42:04Z</published>
    <updated>2009-06-22T17:42:04Z</updated>
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    <id>tag:www.thedonovan.com,2009://1.10928-comment:89950</id>
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    <title>Comment from XBradTC on 2009-06-22</title>
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        <name>XBradTC</name>
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        <![CDATA[<em>...and hope some of the luck rubs off. </em><br />
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No way. I'm staying the hell away from that guy. He's a bullet/frag magnet!<br />
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    <published>2009-06-22T16:30:55Z</published>
    <updated>2009-06-22T16:30:55Z</updated>
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    <title>Comment from Grumpy on 2009-06-22</title>
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        <![CDATA[John, I respectfully disagree, that's not a tree, but a forest. *THANK YOU!*&nbsp;]]>
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    <published>2009-06-22T15:25:13Z</published>
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    <id>tag:www.thedonovan.com,2009://1.10928-comment:89945</id>
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    <title>Comment from Fishmugger on 2009-06-22</title>
    <author>
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        Godfrey Daniels.
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    <published>2009-06-22T14:38:25Z</published>
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    <id>tag:www.thedonovan.com,2009://1.10928-comment:89944</id>
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    <title>Comment from John of Argghhh! on 2009-06-22</title>
    <author>
        <name>John of Argghhh!</name>
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        <![CDATA[There's six clusters, FM.&nbsp; That second horizontal one just looks big.<br />
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So it's *only* seven.]]>
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    <published>2009-06-22T14:17:27Z</published>
    <updated>2009-06-22T14:17:27Z</updated>
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    <id>tag:www.thedonovan.com,2009://1.10928-comment:89943</id>
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    <title>Comment from Fishmugger on 2009-06-22</title>
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        Just so I know what I&apos;m looking at: I see One Purple Heart and 7 clusters (my glasses are in the bedroom and I&apos;m too lazy to go get them). Does that indicate 8 Purple Hearts from 8 incidents? If so, I would like to shake his hand and hope some of the luck rubs off. Hell, I&apos;d like to shake his hand just for the first one.
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    <published>2009-06-22T13:52:55Z</published>
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    <id>tag:www.thedonovan.com,2009://1.10928-comment:89942</id>
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    <title>Comment from John of Argghhh! on 2009-06-22</title>
    <author>
        <name>John of Argghhh!</name>
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        <![CDATA[Jim - eh?&nbsp; Both are present in the referenced picture in the referenced post.&nbsp; You have confused me here.]]>
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    <published>2009-06-22T13:37:12Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from JimC on 2009-06-22</title>
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        <![CDATA[This discussion shows how unmilitaristic the US&nbsp;is.&nbsp; In a militaristic country, everyone would know the difference between a flag and a color.&nbsp; My question would be: If the Battalion Color is present why isn't the National Color?&nbsp; <br />]]>
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    <published>2009-06-22T13:33:14Z</published>
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