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  <title>Comments for Cultural Mis-matches.</title>
  <subtitle>We&apos;re the Military and Airpower Guys of Jonah Goldberg of National Review Online + a stray we found wandering around looking lost.  All original material JHD, BHD, JR, WT,  and KA 2003-2010</subtitle>
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    <published>2009-06-18T12:45:41Z</published>
    <updated>2009-06-18T12:58:14Z</updated>
    <title>Cultural Mis-matches.</title>
    <summary><![CDATA[Yes, it's our job to match our civilian overlords, and not vice-versa.However, Senator Boxer, ma'am...Generally, *koff* in my world, if I'm continually using your Rank, vice &quot;Sir,&quot; or &quot;Ma'am&quot; - well, let's just say I'm probably&nbsp;skating the line to be charged for using... &quot;contemptuous words.&quot;We don't much use ranks past the introduction in a conversation.&nbsp; If you hear a lot of rank being used between two people, that's usually not a good sign for how things are going.Of course, the video at that link over at Real Clear Politics is only a snippet, without context.I&nbsp;choose to see it as a...]]></summary>
    <author>
      <name>The Armorer</name>
      <uri>http://www.thedonovan.com</uri>
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      <![CDATA[Yes, it's our job to match our civilian overlords, and not vice-versa.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2009/06/17/boxer_asks_general_to_call_her_senator_and_not_maam.html">However, Senator Boxer, ma'am...</a><br /><br />Generally, *koff* in my world, if I'm continually using your Rank, vice &quot;Sir,&quot; or &quot;Ma'am&quot; - well, let's just say I'm probably&nbsp;skating the line to be charged for using... &quot;contemptuous words.&quot;<br /><br />We don't much use ranks past the introduction in a conversation.&nbsp; If you hear a lot of rank being used between two people, that's usually not a good sign for how things are going.<br /><br />Of course, the video at that link over at Real Clear Politics is only a snippet, without context.<br /><br />I&nbsp;choose to see it as a cultural thing, with BG Walsh being perfectly in character for a military briefing, and getting ambushed by Senate&nbsp;culture (to which we will&nbsp;defer!).&nbsp; I'm guessing that not too many minutes after that hearing ended, emails about dealing with Senator Boxer were flowing around the&nbsp;rings of the&nbsp;Puzzle Palace.&nbsp; <br /><br />I can guess what the bulk reaction around here is going to be...]]>
      
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    <id>tag:www.thedonovan.com,2009://1.10912-comment:89868</id>
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    <title>Comment from Rita on 2009-06-19</title>
    <author>
        <name>Rita</name>
        
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        <![CDATA[Uh, yes even Madam is too good for her, she is unworthy of any title but the &quot;B&quot; one for sure. Yea, call me Senator, well Madam Senator, here is your sign.....:)<br />
<br />
I would like to &quot;Box&quot; Senator Boxer right in the eye :)]]>
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    <published>2009-06-19T14:45:45Z</published>
    <updated>2009-06-19T14:45:45Z</updated>
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    <id>tag:www.thedonovan.com,2009://1.10912-comment:89855</id>
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    <title>Comment from Argent on 2009-06-18</title>
    <author>
        <name>Argent</name>
        <uri>http://www.gaymilitarylife.com</uri>
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        <![CDATA[I reckon fdcol puts it quite well.&nbsp; Probably a sign he earned his title that he didn't say similar.<br />]]>
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    <published>2009-06-19T00:36:13Z</published>
    <updated>2009-06-19T00:36:13Z</updated>
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    <id>tag:www.thedonovan.com,2009://1.10912-comment:89854</id>
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    <title>Comment from olga on 2009-06-18</title>
    <author>
        <name>olga</name>
        
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        <![CDATA[OMG, is she for real?!&nbsp;&nbsp; I&nbsp;think this is this time of the month - the only explanation I can come up with other than &quot;braindead-military-hating-liberal&quot;... or most likely both...]]>
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    <published>2009-06-18T23:47:27Z</published>
    <updated>2009-06-18T23:47:27Z</updated>
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    <id>tag:www.thedonovan.com,2009://1.10912-comment:89852</id>
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    <title>Comment from Barb on 2009-06-18</title>
    <author>
        <name>Barb</name>
        <uri>http://barbette.blogspot.com</uri>
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        <![CDATA[I love some of the comments to Boxer at <strong><a href="http://www.gradegov.com/representative.php?id=449&amp;name=sen_barbara_boxer" rel="nofollow">Grade&nbsp;Gov</a>&nbsp;- </strong>where she is getting beat up for this.&nbsp; Actually, some of the comments are too tame, I think she deserves a much bigger thwacking.&nbsp;]]>
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    <published>2009-06-18T22:50:30Z</published>
    <updated>2009-06-18T22:50:30Z</updated>
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    <id>tag:www.thedonovan.com,2009://1.10912-comment:89847</id>
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    <title>Comment from 11B40 on 2009-06-18</title>
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        <name>11B40</name>
        
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        <![CDATA[Greetings:<br />
<br />
Shouldn't that be &quot;Senatress&quot;?&nbsp;]]>
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    <published>2009-06-18T20:47:33Z</published>
    <updated>2009-06-18T20:47:33Z</updated>
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    <id>tag:www.thedonovan.com,2009://1.10912-comment:89844</id>
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    <title>Comment from Boquisucio on 2009-06-18</title>
    <author>
        <name>Boquisucio</name>
        
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        <![CDATA[I only said that I had &quot;another name for her&quot;.<br />]]>
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    <published>2009-06-18T19:14:16Z</published>
    <updated>2009-06-18T19:14:16Z</updated>
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    <id>tag:www.thedonovan.com,2009://1.10912-comment:89843</id>
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    <title>Comment from John of Argghhh! on 2009-06-18</title>
    <author>
        <name>John of Argghhh!</name>
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        <![CDATA[Well, and this thread is pretty much a Rulez violation, too.&nbsp; But, as I have noted, sometimes it's appropriate, the Senator *is* a public figure with some, er, <em>polarizing qualities</em> about her for this crowd.<br />
<br />
Yeah, that's it.&nbsp; Polarizing qualities.]]>
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    <published>2009-06-18T18:52:49Z</published>
    <updated>2009-06-18T18:52:49Z</updated>
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    <title>Comment from Grumpy on 2009-06-18</title>
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        <name>Grumpy</name>
        
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        <![CDATA[@John (not the Armorer), &nbsp;now. the first sentence, that is what you call being, &quot;Subtle.&quot;<br />
<br />
Your second sentence is true, it is also true of all sides for many years, no exceptions.<br />]]>
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    <published>2009-06-18T18:48:54Z</published>
    <updated>2009-06-18T18:48:54Z</updated>
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    <id>tag:www.thedonovan.com,2009://1.10912-comment:89835</id>
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    <title>Comment from John (not the armorer) on 2009-06-18</title>
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        <name>John (not the armorer)</name>
        
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        <![CDATA[In Boxer's case, we can all just agree that the term &quot;Senator&quot; is a synonym for &quot;Stupid B!tch&quot;.<br />
<br />
She is unworthy of the sacrifices of uniformed personnel to defend her right to be a &quot;senator.&quot;<br />]]>
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    <published>2009-06-18T18:06:21Z</published>
    <updated>2009-06-18T18:06:21Z</updated>
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    <id>tag:www.thedonovan.com,2009://1.10912-comment:89833</id>
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    <title>Comment from AFSister on 2009-06-18</title>
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        <name>AFSister</name>
        
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        <![CDATA[<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>Sure thing, Senator.&nbsp; As long as I can call you by your whole name:&nbsp; &quot;Senator Barbara I-wouldn't-know-respect-if-it-bit-me-in-the-a$$ Boxer.&quot;&nbsp; You don't have a problem with that, do you?&nbsp; It's just a ..... THING.</p>]]>
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    <published>2009-06-18T18:03:30Z</published>
    <updated>2009-06-18T18:03:30Z</updated>
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    <title>Comment from fdcol on 2009-06-18</title>
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        <name>fdcol</name>
        
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        <![CDATA[It would have been great if BG Walsh had said:<br />
<br />
&quot;Certainly, Senator.&nbsp; And I'd appreciate it if you'd call me &quot;General&quot;. I've worked hard the past 30 years, serving in some of the worst rat holes in the world defending my country while sacrificing time away from my family, and I believe I earned my title as much as you did on the campaign trail.&quot;]]>
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    <published>2009-06-18T15:40:35Z</published>
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    <id>tag:www.thedonovan.com,2009://1.10912-comment:89815</id>
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    <title>Comment from Argent on 2009-06-18</title>
    <author>
        <name>Argent</name>
        <uri>http://www.gaymilitarylife.com</uri>
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        <![CDATA[Pity that 'Senator' is not such a title of respect as it should be.<br />]]>
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    <published>2009-06-18T14:46:07Z</published>
    <updated>2009-06-18T14:46:07Z</updated>
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    <id>tag:www.thedonovan.com,2009://1.10912-comment:89811</id>
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    <title>Comment from fdcol on 2009-06-18</title>
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        <name>fdcol</name>
        
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        <![CDATA[Calling these people &quot;Honorable&quot; is so misleading.]]>
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    <published>2009-06-18T13:47:14Z</published>
    <updated>2009-06-18T13:47:14Z</updated>
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    <title>Comment from Kirk on 2009-06-18</title>
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        <name>Kirk</name>
        
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        <![CDATA[Seems like someone has self-esteem issues...like those who hold PhDs and demand to be referred to as &quot;Doctor&quot; at all times.&nbsp; Once again, Babs shows her contempt for the military.&nbsp; I'm surprised she didn't demand he refer to her as, &quot;Her excellency, senator for life, Barbara Boxer.&quot; (with apologies to Idi Amin)]]>
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    <published>2009-06-18T13:36:24Z</published>
    <updated>2009-06-18T13:36:24Z</updated>
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    <title>Comment from JimC on 2009-06-18</title>
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        <name>JimC</name>
        
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        <![CDATA[Worked hard to get that title?&nbsp; Wow, a liar as well as arrogant.<br />]]>
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    <published>2009-06-18T13:01:04Z</published>
    <updated>2009-06-18T13:01:04Z</updated>
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