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  <title>Comments for Tidying up some loose Canadian tank ends...</title>
  <subtitle>We&apos;re the Military and Airpower Guys of Jonah Goldberg of National Review Online + a stray we found wandering around looking lost.  All original material JHD, BHD, JR, WT,  and KA 2003-2010</subtitle>
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    <published>2009-04-02T12:40:26Z</published>
    <updated>2009-04-02T12:51:01Z</updated>
    <title>Tidying up some loose Canadian tank ends...</title>
    <summary><![CDATA[We've been having an on-again off-again discussion of Canadian tactical approaches in Afghanistan now and again, and, thanks to Jim Dunnigan over at Strategy Page, I thought I would offer up his thumbnail sketch of the Canadians and their Leos, as background.&nbsp; Originally it was going to be in the post below, but I decided that might cause a confusingly mutl-threaded comment stream, so I'll put it here.

But first - that Leo2 is wearing an interesting uniform, is it not?&nbsp; And the first thing I thought when I saw it in that picture provided by Dr. Sean Maloney was - how how in the heck would &nbsp;I model that were I&nbsp;building models right now?
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    <author>
      <name>The Armorer</name>
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      <![CDATA[<br /><br /><img alt="LEO2: a Canadian Leopard 2A6M leads the Quick Reaction Force along the highway, responding to an IED strike.  Photo courtesy Dr. Sean Maloney, Canadian Forces Military Historian" src="http://www.fototime.com/6F7E9B6F5073147/orig.jpg" /><br /><br />We've been having an on-again off-again discussion of Canadian tactical approaches in Afghanistan now and again, and, thanks to Jim Dunnigan over at <a href="http://www.strategypage.com/">Strategy Page,</a> I thought I would offer up his thumbnail sketch of the Canadians and their Leos, as background.&nbsp; Originally it was going to be in the post below, but I decided that might cause a confusingly multi-threaded comment stream, so I'll put it here.<br /><br />But first - that Leo2 is wearing an interesting uniform, is it not?&nbsp; And the first thing I thought when I saw it in that picture provided by Dr. Sean Maloney was - how how in the heck would &nbsp;I model that were I&nbsp;building models right now?<br /><br />While the modelers among you contemplate that - here's Jim Dunnigan's history of the Canadian Leos - used with permission, all rights reserved.&nbsp; <br /><blockquote><div><a href="http://www.strategypage.com/dls/articles/The-Lost-Leopards-Of-Canada-4-1-2009.asp">The Lost Leopards Of Canada</a> <br />by James Dunnigan<br />April 1, 2009<br /><br />Two years ago, Canada bought a hundred second hand Leopard 2 tanks from the Netherlands, to provide their troops in Afghanistan with some additional combat power. First, they leased 20 German Leopard 2s and sent them to Afghanistan to replace the older Leopard 1s. The Canadian troops have not yet received the hundred new tanks, however. Currently, 40 of the tanks are in Canada, but not yet in the hands of the troops. Another 60 are still in the Netherlands. Crews for the Leopard 2s still train on the elderly Leopard 1s in Canada, before going Afghanistan. There, they have to quickly familiarize themselves with the slightly different Leopard 2s. <br /><br />Three years ago, Canada sent 17 of its Leopard 1 tanks to Afghanistan, to give Canadian troops there some extra firepower against the Taliban. But during the Spring and Summer, the lack of air conditioning became a major problem for the crews. The age of the tanks was a factor as well, so Canada has made arrangements with Germany, the manufacturer of the Leopard, to lease twenty of the most modern version of the tank, the Leopard 2A6M (which had enough room inside to install air conditioning). <br /><br />Canada is the last nation using the Leopard 1. The A6M has considerably better protection against mines, roadside bombs and RPG rockets. The 62 ton Leopard 2 has a 120mm main gun and two 7.62mm machine-guns. The 43 ton Leopard 1 has a 105mm gun, and is actually a little slower (65 kilometers an hour) than the Leopard 2. Both tanks have a four man crew. Germany has been selling off many of its Leopard 2s, and offered Canada 80 of them at a bargain price (to be negotiated, but brand new, they cost $6 million each). The Netherlands offered a better deal, and got the sale. Canada is paying $5 million per tank, which includes upgrades and spare parts. <br />Some Canadian legislators have been inclined to do without tanks, but Canadian military experts pointed out that these combat vehicles can be useful in peacekeeping operations. Not only are they impervious to most weapons, but they scare the hell out of the enemy. The Leopard 2, introduced in the 1980s, is somewhat scarier than the 1960s era Leopard 1. <br /><br />Army commanders are now under pressure to speed up the delivery of the Leopard 2s to the troops. As part of that, arrangements have been made to trade 20 of the Dutch Leopard 2s, upgraded to German standards, for the twenty leased tanks in Afghanistan. Eventually, the hundred tanks will be organized into two tank squadrons, with 20 tanks each. Another 40 will be used for training, and the remaining 20 will be converted to eight engineer combat vehicles (which can also be used as recovery vehicles), while the remaining 12 will be retained for spare parts.</div></blockquote><br /><br />]]>
      
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    <id>tag:www.thedonovan.com,2009://1.10586-comment:86737</id>
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    <title>Comment from Colin on 2009-04-03</title>
    <author>
        <name>Colin</name>
        
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        Thanks Sean I stand corrected, well actually sitting and drinking coffee....
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    <published>2009-04-03T16:57:15Z</published>
    <updated>2009-04-03T16:57:15Z</updated>
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    <id>tag:www.thedonovan.com,2009://1.10586-comment:86736</id>
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    <title>Comment from Jeff on 2009-04-03</title>
    <author>
        <name>Jeff</name>
        
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        <![CDATA[Wow! A tank in a ghillie suit!<br />]]>
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    <published>2009-04-03T16:41:54Z</published>
    <updated>2009-04-03T16:41:54Z</updated>
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    <id>tag:www.thedonovan.com,2009://1.10586-comment:86723</id>
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    <title>Comment from BillT on 2009-04-03</title>
    <author>
        <name>BillT</name>
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        <![CDATA[Sounds like the B&amp;A man doubled as the painter. Lacquer has to go on *thin*, because it dries from the inside to the outside -- apply it too thickly, and it skins while the inside is still wet, then wrinkles as the inside dries and shrinks.<br />
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It'll be a *lot* uglier if you do that on something 1/35 scale, though.<br />]]>
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    <published>2009-04-03T13:56:25Z</published>
    <updated>2009-04-03T13:56:25Z</updated>
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    <id>tag:www.thedonovan.com,2009://1.10586-comment:86720</id>
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    <title>Comment from Cpl Mongo on 2009-04-03</title>
    <author>
        <name>Cpl Mongo</name>
        
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        <![CDATA[Hah! You are all mistaken. <br />
This is in fact a prime example of Ford clear coat gone bad. My '98 Escort looks just like this.<br />
I suppose you could get some paint from a Ford dealer to use on a model. Slap it on and let it bake in the sun. <br />
Should curl up real nice in about two hours, just like my car.<br />]]>
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    <published>2009-04-03T12:45:57Z</published>
    <updated>2009-04-03T12:45:57Z</updated>
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    <id>tag:www.thedonovan.com,2009://1.10586-comment:86710</id>
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    <title>Comment from John of Argghhh! on 2009-04-02</title>
    <author>
        <name>John of Argghhh!</name>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Master Allison... I was thinking along those lines.</p>
<p>I fear I have not the patience.</p>]]>
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    <published>2009-04-03T00:47:07Z</published>
    <updated>2009-04-03T00:47:07Z</updated>
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    <id>tag:www.thedonovan.com,2009://1.10586-comment:86709</id>
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    <title>Comment from jsallison on 2009-04-02</title>
    <author>
        <name>jsallison</name>
        
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        <![CDATA[a thin application of Green Stuff, a small section at a time, teased up with a #11 x-acto.&nbsp; Absolute royal PITA but potentially worth the effort at the IPMA nationals.<br />]]>
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    <published>2009-04-03T00:33:19Z</published>
    <updated>2009-04-03T00:33:19Z</updated>
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    <id>tag:www.thedonovan.com,2009://1.10586-comment:86704</id>
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    <title>Comment from sean maloney on 2009-04-02</title>
    <author>
        <name>sean maloney</name>
        
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        <![CDATA[Nah, not Danish. I shot this pic during a QRF&nbsp;run while we&nbsp; were responding to an IED in Panjwayi district. .It's one of ours. And it is a Barracuda kit (good call).<br />
<br />
Cheers!<br />
<br />
-SMM]]>
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    <published>2009-04-02T23:07:43Z</published>
    <updated>2009-04-02T23:07:43Z</updated>
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    <id>tag:www.thedonovan.com,2009://1.10586-comment:86698</id>
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    <title>Comment from Josh on 2009-04-02</title>
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        <name>Josh</name>
        
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        <![CDATA[<em>Not only are they impervious to most weapons, but they scare the hell out of the enemy.</em><br />
<br />
Best <strong>expert</strong> analysis of the functionality of tanks EVER.<br />]]>
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    <published>2009-04-02T21:40:32Z</published>
    <updated>2009-04-02T21:40:32Z</updated>
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    <id>tag:www.thedonovan.com,2009://1.10586-comment:86697</id>
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    <title>Comment from Colin on 2009-04-02</title>
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        <name>Colin</name>
        
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        Sorry but that is a Danish Leo. To my knowledge they are the only ones using that camo in Afghanistan
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    <published>2009-04-02T21:34:22Z</published>
    <updated>2009-04-02T21:34:22Z</updated>
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    <id>tag:www.thedonovan.com,2009://1.10586-comment:86683</id>
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    <title>Comment from BillT on 2009-04-02</title>
    <author>
        <name>BillT</name>
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        <![CDATA[<em>There is a pattern in the chaos. </em><br />
<br />
Ever check out the pattern of holes on a cheese grater?<br />
<br />
D'uh.<br />
<br />]]>
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    <published>2009-04-02T19:33:37Z</published>
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    <id>tag:www.thedonovan.com,2009://1.10586-comment:86679</id>
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    <title>Comment from John of Argghhh! on 2009-04-02</title>
    <author>
        <name>John of Argghhh!</name>
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        Well Heer Wenting, I&apos;d keep an eye on those French, anyway...
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    <published>2009-04-02T18:45:37Z</published>
    <updated>2009-04-02T18:45:37Z</updated>
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    <id>tag:www.thedonovan.com,2009://1.10586-comment:86672</id>
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    <title>Comment from J.T. Wenting on 2009-04-02</title>
    <author>
        <name>J.T. Wenting</name>
        
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        <![CDATA[<p>So that's where they RIFfed those Leo2s to, Leo2s we need here to defend our borders against Germans, French, and Russian invasion.</p>
<p>Bloody politicians, gutting our armed forces. And of course keeping the old stuff and selling the new, the new bringing more money (we're still using 2A3s and aA5s mostly).<br />
Same thing with the new Paladins (which never even were unloaded from the transport ships, being diverted while underway to Norway).</p>]]>
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    <published>2009-04-02T18:25:25Z</published>
    <updated>2009-04-02T18:25:25Z</updated>
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    <id>tag:www.thedonovan.com,2009://1.10586-comment:86669</id>
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    <title>Comment from John of Argghhh! on 2009-04-02</title>
    <author>
        <name>John of Argghhh!</name>
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        <![CDATA[Too random, Bill.&nbsp; There is a pattern in the chaos.]]>
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    <published>2009-04-02T18:17:07Z</published>
    <updated>2009-04-02T18:17:07Z</updated>
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    <id>tag:www.thedonovan.com,2009://1.10586-comment:86663</id>
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    <title>Comment from BillT on 2009-04-02</title>
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        <![CDATA[Or, you could cammy and affix some of the Visqueen plastic sheeting that Sly uses on weekends, but I don't know how well Wesson Oil cleans up...<br />]]>
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    <published>2009-04-02T16:47:15Z</published>
    <updated>2009-04-02T16:47:15Z</updated>
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    <id>tag:www.thedonovan.com,2009://1.10586-comment:86661</id>
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    <title>Comment from BillT on 2009-04-02</title>
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        <name>BillT</name>
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        <![CDATA[<em>- how how in the heck would  I model that were I building models right now?</em><br />
<br />
1. Mince a bunch of dried lichen.<br />
<br />
2. Spritz the area to be coated with Krylon clear matte waterproofing.<br />
<br />
3. Load the lichen into a cheese grater and make two sprinkling perpendicular passes while the waterproofing is tacky.<br />
<br />
4. After the waterproofing is dry, splotch-spray with light pink, then overall spray with Desert Sand while the pink is still wet.<br />
<br />
5. Assemble and install fiddly bits. Remember that partic'lar cammo is a *blanket*, so you don't have to worry that you can't see the boiler rivets anymore.<br />
<br />]]>
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    <published>2009-04-02T16:35:14Z</published>
    <updated>2009-04-02T16:35:14Z</updated>
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    <title>Comment from Dave on 2009-04-02</title>
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        <name>Dave</name>
        
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        <![CDATA[I seem to recall the &quot;Tank Bra&quot; was an attempt to make those Leo's cooler by insulating them from the hot sun. A quick google yeilds a mention at the end of this article <a href="http://www.nrc-cnrc.gc.ca/eng/education/innovations/spotlight/mothernature.html" rel="nofollow"><a href="http://www.nrc-cnrc.gc.ca/eng/education/innovations/spotlight/mothernature.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.nrc-cnrc.gc.ca/eng/education/innovations/spotlight/mothernature.html</a></a> and as part of this synopsis <a href="http://pubs.drdc-rddc.gc.ca/BASIS/pcandid/www/engpub/DDW?W%3DKEYWORDS+INC+'afghanistan'+ORDER+BY+Repdate/Descend%26M%3D5%26K%3D527951%26U%3D1" rel="nofollow"><a href="http://pubs.drdc-rddc.gc.ca/BASIS/pcandid/www/engpub/DDW?W%3DKEYWORDS+INC+'afghanistan'+ORDER+BY+Repdate/Descend%26M%3D5%26K%3D527951%26U%3D1" rel="nofollow">http://pubs.drdc-rddc.gc.ca/BASIS/pcandid/www/engpub/DDW?W%3DKEYWORDS+INC+'afghanistan'+ORDER+BY+Repdate/Descend%26M%3D5%26K%3D527951%26U%3D1</a></a> &quot;In addition, a specially designed solar heat dissipation textile was fitted to the exterior of the tank.&quot;]]>
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    <published>2009-04-02T15:46:54Z</published>
    <updated>2009-04-02T15:46:54Z</updated>
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    <title>Comment from Kirk on 2009-04-02</title>
    <author>
        <name>Kirk</name>
        
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        <![CDATA[It appears to be a type of multi-spectral camo netting, similar to ULCANS or Barracuda.&nbsp; See the following for additional pics...<br />
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    <published>2009-04-02T15:46:26Z</published>
    <updated>2009-04-02T15:46:26Z</updated>
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    <title>Comment from John of Argghhh! on 2009-04-02</title>
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        <![CDATA[Will - it's not a Zimmerit-style substance.&nbsp; I believe it's a tank-bra...<br />
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Kirk - you're probably right, and is in fact worse than Zimmerit - which had enough regularity to be amenable to several different types of tools.<br />
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This is regularly irregular...]]>
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    <published>2009-04-02T15:13:21Z</published>
    <updated>2009-04-02T15:13:21Z</updated>
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    <title>Comment from Will S on 2009-04-02</title>
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        <![CDATA[It looks like a type of Zimmerit coating on that Leopard.&nbsp; <br />]]>
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    <published>2009-04-02T14:32:44Z</published>
    <updated>2009-04-02T14:32:44Z</updated>
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    <title>Comment from Kirk on 2009-04-02</title>
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        <![CDATA[As a modeller, I would say your approach would most likely be the same as with zimmerit on German tanks of WWII...using putty (can be found on squadron.com), then texturing it with whatever pattern desired.&nbsp; Its slow tedious work, but can make the model look fantastic.]]>
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    <published>2009-04-02T14:31:06Z</published>
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