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Resolved: That the United States close its military academies

For: Tom Ricks, longtime military correspondent for the Washington Post:
 

This is no knock on the academies' graduates. They are crackerjack smart and dedicated to national service. They remind me of the best of the Ivy League, but too often they're getting community-college educations. Although West Point's history and social science departments provided much intellectual firepower in rethinking the U.S. approach to Iraq, most of West Point's faculty lacks doctorates. Why not send young people to more rigorous institutions on full scholarships, and then, upon graduation, give them a military education at a short-term military school? Not only do ROTC graduates make fine officers -- three of the last six chairmen of the Joint Chiefs of Staff reached the military that way -- they also would be educated alongside future doctors, judges, teachers, executives, mayors and members of Congress. That would be good for both the military and the society it protects.


Against:

Ed Ruggero:author of a definitive book on the training of leaders at West Point and retired Army officer:
 

Tom Ricks makes some good points in his piece "Why We Should Get Rid of West Point." It is certainly more expensive to turn out a West Point graduate than to commission an officer through ROTC, which has been the source for many fine leaders. But his swipe at West Point's education misses the mark because he equates the number of doctorates on the faculty to a quality education; I would argue that there is not a straight correlation.
 

Walter F. Ulmer, Jr (LTG, USA, Ret'd and a former Commandant of Cadets at West Point)
 

Tom Ricks continues to do good work. But his gears seem to be meshed regarding the academies. As an academic institution, West Point has produced more Rhodes Scholars than any university except Harvard, Yale, and Princeton; more Hertz Fellowships ("for rare young scientists and engineers,") than any but MIT, Stanford, and Princeton; and even gained a high spot in the 2009 US News & World Report ratings of liberal arts colleges. Opportunities for leader development abound at West Point: a unique leadership laboratory and reservoir of standards for military professionalism. A true national treasure, given the price of things these days it may be the best return on the money that taxpayers can get!


Bob Schoultz (CAPT, USN, ret'd)
 

That said, I continue to believe that the service academies and war colleges CAN offer the nation a uniquely positive service, and that questions such as Tom's must regularly be asked to hold the institutions accountable to the society they serve, rather than the service cultures they often see themselves ordained to protect. Even the best institutions must regularly be jolted out of the self-congratulatory complacency that can take hold when excellent organizations come to believe their own propaganda and mythology.
 

What say the assembled hordes?  Full disclosure - I'm an ROTC DMG (Distinguished Miltary Graduate).

Sign me up for "the question should be asked, and the schools (including the war colleges) should get periodic shocks, too. 

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As someone who can actually profess some experience on the subject, I can say, quite simply that the educational paramters of the United States Military Academy were NOT on par with a community college.  My first math class at USMA (Formerly a member of USMA class of 1996) was a doozy known as Discreet and Dynamical Systems with Matrix Algebra.  Taught by an Armor Captain.  He had no PhD, but believe me it was the hardest course of study I ever took.  I only stayed as a guest at West Point for 13 Months, and then I went to a community college to complete an AA and get into a four year school. 

West Point's academics are undeniably rigorous.  Anyone who says differently is talking out of their fourth point of contact. 

I treasure my time there.  I found out that I wasn't an engineer, quickly!
 
P.L.C. here, USMC Platoon Leaders Class......University of Arizona and off to Quantico. I didn't have the grades or mental maturity at 17 to think that I had what it takes for Annapolis.

It all worked out well, but, sure, looking back.....Annapolis would have been better.
 
My old boss aggrees there is absolutely no correlation between a doctorate, and the ability to TEACH. Second half of the video, the first part is about malaria control. You can fast forward to 8:00 to skip the Malaria.

http://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/bill_gates_unplugged.html

 
When the liberals have succeeded in getting rid of all ROTC programs at US colleges and universities, where else will we get our finer commissioned officers from?

OCS is great, but maybe we ought to hold onto the service academies, as well.
 
ROTC DMG here suggesting that the Officer Corps thrives on its diverse source of commissions that provide a rich varied intellectual experience.  This diversity provides a superbly capable yet united officer corps that has served the nation long and well.  If it ain't broke...
 
The service academies are a unique resource.  They're not beyond reproach; they always should be under scrutiny and should undergo continuous changes and improvements.  Maybe they could benefit from a faculty with more doctorates, but I'm not convinced of that.  But if they are scrutinized and found to be lacking, that's not any reason to eliminate them.  It's just a sign of what direction they need to move in.
 
Dan,
Don't worry DDS kicks everybody's a*s.  I made it through all my math classes at the Academy on sheer, rote memorization and finally graduated with a degree in PoliSci.

My experience post-Academy proved the point to me that all three commissioning sources bring something different and valuable to the table.  It would be a shame and a waste to do away with any of them.
 
Chadd-
I never even considered a military academy, but I did enroll in ROTC in college.  I have to agree with your last statement- all venues have their advantages and disadvantages, but getting rid of any of them would be a damn shame.  Not to say that they can't be improved upon, as Josh suggests, but getting rid of any of them would be detrimental to the service.
 
Sign me up as well for "the question should be asked, and the schools (including the war colleges) should get periodic shocks, too.
Nothing like a little wake up call to get your crap in order and prove the accuser wrong.

 
I'm with Chadd - ROTC for me, the LtCol uncle taught engineering at Anapolis and at USAF Academy, my dad was commissioned from OCS (degree holding before he enlisted in the Corps).   The Marine! Goth is eyeing the 'mustang' route - or may end up a warrant officer if he stays in.   

What we don't want to do is to allow any route to commissioning to be considered 'second class'.    Each has strengths and weaknesses and requires a slightly different skill set, but turns out good to excellent officers.   Goal should be highest quality regardless of path.
 
I'm also former ROTC (Army). Sure, I could hold my own with the West Pointers at being a platoon leader. Partly from my training, partly by being born lucky with some inherent skills, etc., I guess? My 2 best teachers: an ROTC instructor (West Point grad) and my first platoon sergeant.

But I envied West Point’s top notch education (community college? Please!), their traditions, the discipline they endured, their focused effort for 4 solid years.

But my experience is anecdotal evidence, of course. And so is everyone else's (largely). We like to generalize. For every "This one West Point guy was a jack-a**" there are two "That ROTC / OCS grad was about brain dead". Or, the best officer I ever saw was “X”.

So, why are some going after yet another bedrock institution of our country? I don’t buy the arguments. The service academies are a core part of our military, of our nation. Keep them.

If there was any cool proposal to float, it would be the requirement that all prospective officers enlist for 2 years. THEN, head off to college / service academy.
 
Jay Season, I think the Israelis do something similar to what you suggest.   Maybe this is a sign of the future:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/onthefrontline/5136185

 
Another thing to consider:  West Point cadets don't have very many distractions and have a whole lot of institutional support to help them focus.  ROTC cadets have to put up with an enormous amount of distractions and, depending on the school, harassment in order to reach their goal of becoming a commissioned officer.  I think that in some cases, the ROTC graduates were, initially, a bit more self-disciplined because the HAD to be.

As for OCS graduates, most of them were A LOT more mature than either the West Point or ROTC graduates, which should come as no surprise.  I think the differences pretty much disappear by the time you reach field-grade rank, anyway.
 
As should be patently obvious to even the most casual of observers, Ricks is just being a dick (again),