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  <title>Comments for What the Whatziss Is. And Three Drumrolls!</title>
  <subtitle>We&apos;re the Military and Airpower Guys of Jonah Goldberg of National Review Online + a stray we found wandering around looking lost.  All original material JHD, BHD, JR, WT,  and KA 2003-2010</subtitle>
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    <published>2009-03-06T11:08:02Z</published>
    <updated>2009-03-06T17:58:36Z</updated>
    <title>What the Whatziss Is. And Three Drumrolls!</title>
    <summary>It took a bit longer than I expected, but Slinky hit it (albeit obliquely) with his reference to the Radar Altimeter. The second drumroll is for LaMigra&apos;s pic of the Mi-17I (alphabetic disparity trivia lesson: the Iraqis sometimes call it the Mi-171 because the English capital I looks so much like the way we write 1 -- the Euro version is closer to the original Arabic numeral). The next drumroll is for JoA&apos;s Virtual Cockpit, and the final drumroll is for jon spencer&apos;s link dashing yet another cherished aviation myth right into the ground.Ummmmm -- four. *Four* drumrolls.Here&apos;s what the...</summary>
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      <name>Bill</name>
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    <category term="Helicopter Pr0n - 10,000 fiddly bits all flying in formation..." />
    
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      <![CDATA[<a href="http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2009/03/the_week_for_wh.html"><strong>It took a bit longer than I expected</strong></a>, but Slinky hit it (albeit obliquely) with his reference to the Radar Altimeter. The second drumroll is for LaMigra's pic of the Mi-17I (alphabetic disparity trivia lesson: the Iraqis sometimes call it the Mi-<strong>171</strong> because the English capital <strong>I</strong> looks so much like the way we write <strong>1</strong> -- the Euro version is closer to the original Arabic numeral). The next drumroll is for JoA's Virtual Cockpit, and the final drumroll is for jon spencer's link dashing yet another cherished aviation myth right into the ground.<br /><br />Ummmmm -- four. *Four* drumrolls.<br /><br />Here's what the working side of the Whatziss looks like:<br /><br /><img src="http://www.fototime.com/7AA59F3EF649CAD/orig.jpg" alt="" /><br /><br />The red disk on the base of the Whatziss transmits the focused radar beam downward and the red disk forward of the chaff/flare dispenser receives the signal. The magical box inside the Whatziss interprets the time difference and translates it into a distance -- in this case, an AGL (Above Ground Level) altitude -- on the Radar Altimeter in the cockpit. It won't function as a GSI (part of Slinky's guess and Pat's primary one) because the beam is unidirectional. <br /><br />The&nbsp; &quot;Remove Before Flight&quot; streamer John mentioned seeing is attached to an arming pin -- which must be removed before the RadAlt is armed. It prevents the pilot or a maintenance tech from turning it on inadvertently while a mechanic is doing mechanic stuff, or otherwise ambling beneath the tailboom. Mechanics have a low opinion of people who try to fry them with microwaves.<br /><br />Some quick background on these particular Hip-Is -- they were made in Poland, assembled in Russia, and tweaked by Iraqi and American mechs in Iraq. *And* they come in two versions -- gunship and slick.<br /><br /><img src="http://www.fototime.com/784C7C4986AA51A/orig.jpg" alt="" /><br /><br />Heh. If the weather had been cruddy, there would have been three OH-58A/Cs on the pad doing hover work.&nbsp; Would have attracted even more spectators.<br /><br />Said spectators wisely removed themselves during the runup -- even the fixed-wing folks are (mostly) smart enough to know that the sand on the pad won't be remaining on the pad for long...<br />]]>
      
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    <id>tag:www.thedonovan.com,2009://1.10477-comment:85341</id>
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    <title>Comment from BillT on 2009-03-07</title>
    <author>
        <name>BillT</name>
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        <![CDATA[The Usuals will get it.<br />
<br />
'Tain't like it's never appeared here in that context!<br />]]>
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    <published>2009-03-07T19:09:22Z</published>
    <updated>2009-03-07T19:09:22Z</updated>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:www.thedonovan.com,2009://1.10477-comment:85338</id>
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    <title>Comment from John of Argghhh! on 2009-03-07</title>
    <author>
        <name>John of Argghhh!</name>
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        <![CDATA[Snerk.&nbsp; That response caused some head scratchin' I'm thinking.]]>
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    <published>2009-03-07T18:19:33Z</published>
    <updated>2009-03-07T18:19:33Z</updated>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:www.thedonovan.com,2009://1.10477-comment:85337</id>
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    <title>Comment from BillT on 2009-03-07</title>
    <author>
        <name>BillT</name>
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        <![CDATA[Did right well with 'em at Fair Oaks, although I'd much rather have had a Loach...<br />]]>
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    <published>2009-03-07T18:06:36Z</published>
    <updated>2009-03-07T18:06:36Z</updated>
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    <id>tag:www.thedonovan.com,2009://1.10477-comment:85336</id>
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    <title>Comment from Josh on 2009-03-07</title>
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        <name>Josh</name>
        
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        <![CDATA[What ever would possess somebody to &quot;fly&quot; a hot air balloon is entirely beyond me...<br />]]>
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    <published>2009-03-07T17:32:00Z</published>
    <updated>2009-03-07T17:32:00Z</updated>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:www.thedonovan.com,2009://1.10477-comment:85334</id>
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    <title>Comment from BillT on 2009-03-07</title>
    <author>
        <name>BillT</name>
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        <![CDATA[<em>...dumping air in an attempt to land could be considered a dive being done on purpose... </em><br />
<br />
In that situation, the &quot;v&quot; is superfluous... <br />]]>
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    <published>2009-03-07T16:30:11Z</published>
    <updated>2009-03-07T16:30:11Z</updated>
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    <id>tag:www.thedonovan.com,2009://1.10477-comment:85324</id>
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    <title>Comment from John of Argghhh! on 2009-03-07</title>
    <author>
        <name>John of Argghhh!</name>
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        <![CDATA[If we define &quot;falling&quot; as diving, and accept Argent's &quot;not always a feature&quot; caveat, yeah, balloons.<br />
<br />
And, what the heck, when you're out of propane, only at 100 feet, and the 440 powerlines are looming, then dumping air in an attempt to land could be considered a dive being done on purpose...]]>
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    <published>2009-03-07T13:17:45Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:www.thedonovan.com,2009://1.10477-comment:85322</id>
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    <title>Comment from Argent on 2009-03-07</title>
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        <name>Argent</name>
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        <![CDATA[pin.<br />]]>
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    <published>2009-03-07T10:09:04Z</published>
    <updated>2009-03-07T10:09:04Z</updated>
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    <title>Comment from BillT on 2009-03-07</title>
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        <![CDATA[Balloon?<br />]]>
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    <published>2009-03-07T10:08:09Z</published>
    <updated>2009-03-07T10:08:09Z</updated>
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    <id>tag:www.thedonovan.com,2009://1.10477-comment:85318</id>
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    <title>Comment from Argent on 2009-03-07</title>
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        <![CDATA[Every airbourne object can dive.&nbsp; It's not always a feature though.<br />]]>
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    <published>2009-03-07T07:08:50Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from BillT on 2009-03-07</title>
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        <![CDATA[While you're at it, pop into the Club and tell that cute little female F-16 pilot I'll meet her at our usual time.<br />
<br />
*strangled mirth*<br />]]>
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    <published>2009-03-07T07:05:29Z</published>
    <updated>2009-03-07T07:05:29Z</updated>
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    <title>Comment from Josh on 2009-03-06</title>
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        <![CDATA[You know what gets there quicker than rockets from a helo?<br />
<br />
Rockets from an airplane that showed up twice as fast.<br />
<br />
No chin bubbles required.<br />
<br />
But, sadly, we have to turn around to get back home.&nbsp; So I guess you have us there...<br />]]>
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    <published>2009-03-07T01:48:26Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from BillT on 2009-03-06</title>
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        <![CDATA[Helicopters dive, too, and rockets get there quicker.<br />]]>
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    <published>2009-03-06T19:58:15Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Josh on 2009-03-06</title>
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        <![CDATA[Fixed wings allow dive bombing, though...<br />]]>
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    <published>2009-03-06T19:26:52Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Dusty on 2009-03-06</title>
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        <![CDATA[Wouldn't a CADC give you the relative wind data? In any case, depending on range it's only good for your altitude...better than nothing but not perfect. But I think we're basically talking the same thing.<br />
<br />
The reason we don't need chin bubbles is that the speeds we're dropping/firing require a mil solution that is well within the normal or expanded field of view of the HUD. The slower you're going, the further down from your longitudinal boresight you have to set your aiming reference, i.e., drop a lot later, putting the target more under your a$$ than under your nose.&nbsp;<br />
<br />
But you knew that...]]>
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    <published>2009-03-06T19:11:57Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:www.thedonovan.com,2009://1.10477-comment:85258</id>
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    <title>Comment from BillT on 2009-03-06</title>
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        <![CDATA[They could also rig an ADS sending relative wind info to the IFCU to transfer the data to the RMS and MCC to provide a rocket solution in the HUD. Hips *did* do some bomb-dropping in the I-v-I dustup, but they used the same method I used to drop sensors in the Delta -- line up on the target and when the forward portion is level with the top of the antitorque pedals, then bombs away.<br />
<br />
I dropped a sensor from 1,500 feet into the mouth of a cave four feet wide using that method. <br />
<br />
Fixed wing types need all those expensive 'lectronic computational gizmos 'cuz they don't have chin bubbles to look through...]]>
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    <published>2009-03-06T17:53:05Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Dusty on 2009-03-06</title>
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        <![CDATA[So, with a little tweaking, say a small computer that can crank the trig numbers by rolling in the CADC data and weapon ballistics tables with the AGL, and a HUD, you have yourself a CCIP aiming reference for both free-fall and forward-firing ordnance. <br />
<br />
Granted helos don't do a lot of bomb dropping as it would tend to blow themselves up, it might be handy for rockets and guns. <br />
<br />
Essentially you have a fighter's gun/bomb sight w/o the forward-looking ranging radar necessary for true CCIP.<br />
<br />
Just a thought.]]>
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    <published>2009-03-06T14:37:35Z</published>
    <updated>2009-03-06T14:37:35Z</updated>
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