Comments for Someone's Career Endangerment light is blinking... We're the Military and Airpower Guys of Jonah Goldberg of National Review Online + a stray we found wandering around looking lost. All original material JHD, BHD, JR, WT, and KA 2003-2010 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2009/03/someones_career.html Fri, 06 Jan 2012 18:21:12 Z Movable Type 4.12 en Copyright 2012 http://www.rssboard.org/rss-specification Someone's Career Endangerment light is blinking... http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2009/03/someones_career.html http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2009/03/someones_career.html Wed, 18 Mar 2009 13:06:56 -0600 Comment from BillT on 2009-03-19 ]]> http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2009/03/someones_career.html#comment-86020 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2009/03/someones_career.html#comment-86020 Thu, 19 Mar 2009 15:14:17 -0600 Comment from BillT on 2009-03-19
That said, having uniformed troops on the scene armed with something other than traffic wands looks like poor judgement on LTC Wiley's part.
]]> http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2009/03/someones_career.html#comment-86019 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2009/03/someones_career.html#comment-86019 Thu, 19 Mar 2009 15:08:59 -0600 Comment from John of Argghhh! on 2009-03-19
If they're law enforcement playing dress-up as soldiers, there's no foul, except you don't like the look (which is okay, having a lot of armed troops standing around on street corners gives a banana republic flair, which we don't need).

So, the question is - what are you looking at?]]> http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2009/03/someones_career.html#comment-86016 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2009/03/someones_career.html#comment-86016 Thu, 19 Mar 2009 14:19:18 -0600 Comment from JimB on 2009-03-19 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2009/03/someones_career.html#comment-86012 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2009/03/someones_career.html#comment-86012 Thu, 19 Mar 2009 13:20:39 -0600 Comment from MR T's Haircut on 2009-03-19
my apologies to the comment gnomes.  Will try to come round more often! ]]> http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2009/03/someones_career.html#comment-85975 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2009/03/someones_career.html#comment-85975 Thu, 19 Mar 2009 06:35:18 -0600 Comment from Maggie on 2009-03-18
Of course it sounds good now, no weapons, directing traffic, lending a helping hand, mutual aid, blabbity blah blah.

But you have to look down the road (or down the slope?).  It's scary down there.

No good can come of this and I am very pleased that the Army is treating it seriously with this inquiry.]]> http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2009/03/someones_career.html#comment-85967 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2009/03/someones_career.html#comment-85967 Wed, 18 Mar 2009 22:56:56 -0600 Comment from Argent on 2009-03-18 ]]> http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2009/03/someones_career.html#comment-85959 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2009/03/someones_career.html#comment-85959 Wed, 18 Mar 2009 22:05:58 -0600 Comment from John of Argghhh! on 2009-03-18
AFSis - I understand your position - but there's a reason there's a bright line between the Federal military and local officials.  Among them, is the experience that caused the implementation of Posse Comitatus.

]]> http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2009/03/someones_career.html#comment-85954 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2009/03/someones_career.html#comment-85954 Wed, 18 Mar 2009 21:27:55 -0600 Comment from MR T's Haircut on 2009-03-18 Whoops apologies for the triple post http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2009/03/someones_career.html#comment-85951 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2009/03/someones_career.html#comment-85951 Wed, 18 Mar 2009 20:59:55 -0600 Comment from MR T's Haircut on 2009-03-18
a little small thing called the Law.

I expect at least as much accountability as the Air Force suffered for the Nuke Flight Fiasco.

This is a very big deal.]]> http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2009/03/someones_career.html#comment-85948 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2009/03/someones_career.html#comment-85948 Wed, 18 Mar 2009 20:57:14 -0600 Comment from AFSister on 2009-03-18
Personally, I have no problem with the MP's offering aid.  I understand the whole chain of command/authorization thing, but seriously.... this was a good use of our military.  It's great opportunity to show how the military and the local police can work together effectively, unlike what we saw in the immediate aftermath of Hurricane Katrina.


Yeah.  I know.  I'm coming at this from a civilian POV, but that's how I see it.]]> http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2009/03/someones_career.html#comment-85947 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2009/03/someones_career.html#comment-85947 Wed, 18 Mar 2009 20:50:07 -0600 Comment from John of Argghhh! on 2009-03-18
Mere approval of the MSA doesn't count.

Again - things may have changed over the years, since last I was concerned about things like that.]]> http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2009/03/someones_career.html#comment-85943 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2009/03/someones_career.html#comment-85943 Wed, 18 Mar 2009 17:48:51 -0600 Comment from Cannoneer No. 4 on 2009-03-18 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2009/03/someones_career.html#comment-85942 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2009/03/someones_career.html#comment-85942 Wed, 18 Mar 2009 17:42:18 -0600 Comment from Cannoneer No. 4 on 2009-03-18 Sipsey Street Irregulars]]> http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2009/03/someones_career.html#comment-85941 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2009/03/someones_career.html#comment-85941 Wed, 18 Mar 2009 17:16:37 -0600 Comment from Cannoneer No. 4 on 2009-03-18 They're about a week late.

The Fort Rucker PMO inserted himself and 21 MP's in to the shooting aftermath at Samson.  Samson PD did not ask for assistance.  He volunteered and they consented.

Glenn Beck was just talking about this a few minutes ago.
LTC W: //cuts in// the incident took place and all of the local aw enforcement from the state of Alabama responded. It happened in several different cities. It was a very ugly situation. And it was going to be a long, drawn out situation. So, here, in southern Alabama, we have mutual aid agreements with all of our local surrounding communities where they support us when we need help. We support them. We’ve had several natural disasters in the past such as a hurricane and a tornado. And we support each other in times of need. So, when this happened, we called down to one of the local police departments and offered our assistance. And they said, “Absolutely. We could use the military police.” So we went down. And all we did was provide a support role where we went…we took 20 MPs down there. The local law enforcement and the state law enforcement were establishing a cordon and taking care of the area. So we just provided support, went in. And allowed those…the state and local law enforcement folks to go and take a knee and drink water, go and get some food, just rest for a little while. We took their posts for them. And then when they came back, we moved on to other places to see where we could assist.

AJ: So did ah…so the Army contacted the police departments. Was this while the hour-long rampage was going on? Over 20 plus miles? Or did you contact them after they’d already…after he’d already killed himself?

LTC W: Yes, sir. It was after. After the event. When we realized that this was gonna be a major undertaking, then what I did was I called and offered my assistance. And the police chief took me up on it. And we called in the soldiers and drove down there.


]]> http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2009/03/someones_career.html#comment-85940 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2009/03/someones_career.html#comment-85940 Wed, 18 Mar 2009 17:05:20 -0600 Comment from Lamigra on 2009-03-18 Oh, and Fort Ord, 1982-5 they had a bad habit of sending troops out to fight fires, but that's not _police_ duties. http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2009/03/someones_career.html#comment-85939 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2009/03/someones_career.html#comment-85939 Wed, 18 Mar 2009 16:45:13 -0600 Comment from Lamigra on 2009-03-18 Oh, and Fort Ord, 1982-5 thry had a bad habit of sending troops out to fight fires, but that's not _police_ duties. http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2009/03/someones_career.html#comment-85937 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2009/03/someones_career.html#comment-85937 Wed, 18 Mar 2009 16:44:39 -0600 Comment from Lamigra on 2009-03-18 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2009/03/someones_career.html#comment-85936 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2009/03/someones_career.html#comment-85936 Wed, 18 Mar 2009 16:40:47 -0600 Comment from RetRsvMike on 2009-03-18
never woulda caught some Reservists falling for that.
]]> http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2009/03/someones_career.html#comment-85928 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2009/03/someones_career.html#comment-85928 Wed, 18 Mar 2009 14:51:25 -0600 Comment from Pogue on 2009-03-18 ]]> http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2009/03/someones_career.html#comment-85926 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2009/03/someones_career.html#comment-85926 Wed, 18 Mar 2009 14:34:29 -0600