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    <published>2009-03-08T15:16:58Z</published>
    <updated>2009-03-08T17:11:03Z</updated>
    <title>More &quot;focus, people!&quot;</title>
    <summary>So, I get this in email, with this lead in::

Now look were Berry has us going.</summary>
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      <name>The Armorer</name>
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      <![CDATA[So, I get this in email, with this lead in::<br /><br /><em>Now look were Berry has us going.</em><br /><blockquote><div><p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt">Last month, <a target="_blank" rel="nofollow" href="http://www.armytimes.com/news/2008/09/army_homeland_090708w/"><em><i><font face="Times New Roman" color="#00348a"><span style="color: #00348a">The&nbsp;Army Times</span></font></i></em><font color="#00348a"><span style="color: #00348a"> reported</span></font></a> that for &quot;<strong><b><font face="Times New Roman">the first time</font></b></strong> an active [U.S. Army] unit has been given a dedicated assignment to NorthCom, a joint command established in 2002 to provide command and control for federal homeland defense efforts and coordinate defense support of civil authorities.&quot;&nbsp;&nbsp;The brigade, the 1st Brigade&nbsp;Combat Team of the Army's 3rd Infantry Division, has spent most of the last four years fighting a war in Iraq, and will now be assigned on a permanent basis to engage in numerous domestic functions -- including, as the article put it, &quot;<strong><b><font face="Times New Roman">to help with civil unrest and crowd control</font></b></strong>.&quot;</span></font></p></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt">In response to the announced deployment, <a target="_blank" rel="nofollow" href="http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2008/09/24/army/"><font color="#00348a"><span style="color: #00348a">I wrote about</span></font></a> the long-standing legal prohibitions against the use of the&nbsp; U.S. military for law enforcement purposes inside the&nbsp; U.S. , and asked:&nbsp;&nbsp;&quot;Why is a U.S. Army brigade being assigned to the &quot;Homeland?&quot;&nbsp; <a target="_blank" rel="nofollow" href="http://www.reason.com/blog/show/128987.html"><font color="#00348a"><span style="color: #00348a">Several</span></font></a> <a target="_blank" rel="nofollow" href="http://www.newshoggers.com/blog/2008/09/regular-army-br.html"><font color="#00348a"><span style="color: #00348a">others</span></font></a> asked <a target="_blank" rel="nofollow" href="http://www.balloon-juice.com/?p=11403"><font color="#00348a"><span style="color: #00348a">similar questions</span></font></a>, including Digby, <a target="_blank" rel="nofollow" href="http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2008/09/dispatches-from-torture-nation-by-digby.html"><font color="#00348a"><span style="color: #00348a">who wrote about the dangers</span></font></a> of relying on war-trained and combat-hardened U.S. Army soldiers for these sorts of domestic functions, and of the hazards of creating a precedent of this sort.&nbsp;</span></font></p></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt">As a result of questioning the purpose and legality of this deployment, a tidal wave of trite invective came pouring forth -- <a target="_blank" rel="nofollow" href="http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2008/10/lions_and_tiger.html"><font color="#00348a"><span style="color: #00348a">not merely from the&nbsp;Right</span></font></a>, which always traffics in that sort of rhetoric whenever government or military authorities are questioned, but also from some ostensible &quot;liberals,&quot; for whom the greatest sin, apparently, is questioning any policies involving the U.S. military:&nbsp; <a target="_blank" rel="nofollow" href="http://lefarkins.blogspot.com/2008/09/oh-noes-army-is-coming-to-take-our.html"><font color="#00348a"><span style="color: #00348a">Robert</span></font></a> <a target="_blank" rel="nofollow" href="http://lefarkins.blogspot.com/2008/09/posse-comitatus-on-merits.html"><font color="#00348a"><span style="color: #00348a">Farley</span></font></a>, <a target="_blank" rel="nofollow" href="http://armchairgeneralist.typepad.com/my_weblog/2008/09/educating-the-b.htmlhttp:/armchairgeneralist.typepad.com/my_weblog/2008/09/educating-the-b.html"><font color="#00348a"><span style="color: #00348a">Jason Sigger</span></font></a>, and&nbsp;<a target="_blank" rel="nofollow" href="http://mediamatters.org/altercation/200809260010#5"><font color="#00348a"><span style="color: #00348a">Bob Bateman</span></font></a>, who responded with riveting observations such as these:&nbsp;&nbsp;&quot;Glenn Greenwald has got his panties twisted up&quot; -- &quot;STFU, you ridiculous ninnies and stop manufacturing plotlines from the late 1960s&quot; -- &quot;paranoid&quot; -- &quot;panic&quot; -- &quot;handwringing terror&quot; -- &quot;fevered fear of the military&quot; -- &quot;Glenn 'Chicken Little' Greenwald&quot; -- &quot;Your anti-military paranoia is a wee bit misplaced&quot; -- &quot;Oh Noes!&nbsp;&nbsp;The&nbsp;Army is Coming to Take our Democracy!!!!&quot;.</span></font></p></div></div></div></blockquote>I sent this back: <br /><br />Yanno, I got plenty of things to bash President Obama about. <br /><br />This isn't one of them. <br /><br />1. Started under Bush. <br /><br />2. Proud to be linked (even if inaptly characterized) as a pourer forth of invective from the right. Funny how the tone was different in the email exchange we had on the subject. My post on the subject is the link &quot;<a href="http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2008/10/lions_and_tiger.html">not merely from the right</a>.&quot; <br /><br />This is still a tempest in a teapot, and was fanned by the fact that the Army Times article was badly written (and the Army Times admitted that, too) because it conflated two different aspects of the brigade's overall mission set. All I know is - if a WMD event occurs in CONUS, or Alaska, Hawaii and Puerto Rico, and NORTHCOM couldn't yank a unit that was ready to go, people would go apesh1t. So, they finally get a system set up to have a unit ready to go... and people go apesh1t. <br /><br />Mind you, this has been an aspect of military planning for a long time. I know, I used to *do* that kind of planning, the only major difference now is that instead of tapping a unit ad-hoc, we're training and tapping one. <br /><br />Damned if we do, and damned if we don't. So we might as well do. The overall consequences are less bad.<br /><br />But it's a hoot&nbsp;how this is now being used to bash President Obama with, vice the President on who's watch this&nbsp;concept was initiated and implemented.&nbsp; Strikes me, if you find the idea hateful, then *this* is the President to ask to forbid it.<br /><br />He won't, mind you.&nbsp; Nor, I suspect, would President Reagan.]]>
      
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    <title>Comment from RetRsvMike on 2009-03-09</title>
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        <![CDATA[Flintlock:&nbsp; local MPs (both Guard and Reserve) enjoy training at Camp Smith.&nbsp; if you were on 9D, and saw them coming from the north, they may have been coming from acrost the Bear Mountain Bridge as if they may have been over using some of the range/maneuver area at West Point.&nbsp; if you saw them coming from the south, then they were most likely coming from the Dunkin Donuts at the gas station at the traffic circle at the north end of the small bridge over the inlet (by the kayak rental shop).<br />
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NY has pumped a good deal of money into juicing up the training environment at Camp Smith, including a vehicle rollover trainer that is supposed to be top notch.<br />]]>
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    <published>2009-03-09T13:22:55Z</published>
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    <id>tag:www.thedonovan.com,2009://1.10486-comment:85407</id>
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    <title>Comment from Jon The Mechanic on 2009-03-09</title>
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        <![CDATA[Flinklock, if the vehicle you describe is the one I think it is, you were looking at the new vehicles for MPs.. Here are links to the description and pictures of the ASV.<br />
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<a href="http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/ground/asv.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/ground/asv.htm</a><br />
<a href="http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/ground/asv-pics.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/ground/asv-pics.htm</a><br />
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They would be going towards Camp Smith because there are several NG and Reserve MP units in that area.<br />
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They are outfitted with an M2 50 cal, and a Mk-19 in the turrent.<br />
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    <published>2009-03-09T12:53:12Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from wolfwalker on 2009-03-08</title>
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        <![CDATA[<em>But it's a hoot how this is now being used to bash President Obama with, vice the President on who's watch this concept was initiated and implemented.  Strikes me, if you find the idea hateful, then *this* is the President to ask to forbid it.<br />
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He won't, mind you. </em><br />
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I wouldn't go bettin' the farm on that.&nbsp; This dipshit is stupid enough to do anything.&nbsp; <br />
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You know, way back in '88, I saw Dan Quayle at a campaign appearance.&nbsp; For many years after, I didn't think it was possible for any human being to come closer to having a completely empty skull.&nbsp;&nbsp;Until now.&nbsp; Hoover-Two Obamavich is as far beyond Quayle in the one direction as Einstein was in the other.&nbsp; <br />]]>
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    <title>Comment from Argent on 2009-03-08</title>
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        <![CDATA[I suppose military must drive on the roads sometimes.&nbsp; Kinda hard to imagine it not tearing up the tarmac.<br />]]>
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    <published>2009-03-09T03:29:45Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from John of Argghhh! on 2009-03-08</title>
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        <![CDATA[Flintlock - what am I supposed to make of that?&nbsp; No markings, yet moving in the open, in daylight?<br />
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I mean, gad, if they were staging to take something over, you'd think they'd be a little more subtle.<br />
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Moving vehicles from one armory to another?<br />
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Road march training?<br />
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Insuffiicient data for a meaningful answer.<br />
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Because the benign reasons are every bit as logical as malevolent ones.<br />
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    <published>2009-03-09T02:12:21Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Flintlock on 2009-03-08</title>
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        <![CDATA[Yesstiddy, coming south on NY Rt 9D towards Camp Smith (50 miles north of NYC) was a bout&nbsp; 8 hummers with top MG turrets in green cammo, with a larger 4 wheel armored car with a larger turret.&nbsp; Type unfamiliar to me, but turret big enough for a 20mm or larger.<br />
NO MARKINGS AT ALL ON ANY VEHICLES.<br />
FYI]]>
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    <published>2009-03-08T23:24:36Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from J.M. Heinrichs on 2009-03-08</title>
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        <![CDATA[&nbsp;Gleen is, of course, right, because:<br />
&quot;I've written a New York Times bestselling book on executive authority, broken a story on my blog about wiretapping that led to front-page stories on most major newspapers in the country, and Russ Feingold read from my blog during the Censure hearings.&quot;<br />
People often forget his majestic command of the IntelligentNet. And how his fact is superior to other fact.<br />
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Cheers]]>
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    <published>2009-03-08T21:06:46Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from BillT on 2009-03-08</title>
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        <![CDATA[Yup. Only thing that's contempo about that article is Greenwald having his knickers in a knot.<br />]]>
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