We're the Military and Airpower Guys of Jonah Goldberg of National Review Online + a stray we found wandering around looking lost. All original material JHD, BHD, JR, WT, and KA 2003-2010 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2009/03/gotta_love_the.html Sat, 24 Mar 2012 15:21:42 Z Movable Type 4.12 en Copyright 2012 http://www.rssboard.org/rss-specification http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2009/03/gotta_love_the.html http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2009/03/gotta_love_the.html Fri, 06 Mar 2009 08:01:15 -0600 But, don't support banning 'em, except in a private property sense. I.e., you ain't smoking in my house or vehicle. And I'd rather you didn't dip or chew inside, either.

I have some libertarian leanings, particularly in the sense that I am loathe to ban, well, practically anything.

Having grown up seeing the aftereffects of both smoked AND smokeless tobacco in my father's patients, though, I really wish there were some way to convince people to just give it up, PARTICULARLY military personnel...I mean they've got enough dangers already without dying or being maimed by head, neck, and lung cancer.

My crazy libertarian-influenced idea is that maybe possessing and smoking/chewing tobacco should be perfectly legal (because you have the right to harm yourself if that's what you really want), but selling tobacco commercially should be banned for the same reason (consumer protection) that we ban all other completely unsafe products.  If you want to grow and roll your own tobacco, that's your problem.  But you can't sell liquor cut with methanol, so why can you sell tobacco?
]]> http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2009/03/gotta_love_the.html#comment-85488 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2009/03/gotta_love_the.html#comment-85488 Tue, 10 Mar 2009 09:33:57 -0600
Find them all to be... icky.

But, don't support banning 'em, except in a private property sense.  I.e., you ain't smoking in my house or vehicle.  And I'd rather you didn't dip or chew inside, either.

An office full of dipper's n' spitters is just nasty in a different, more avoidable sense than an office of smokers.]]> http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2009/03/gotta_love_the.html#comment-85480 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2009/03/gotta_love_the.html#comment-85480 Tue, 10 Mar 2009 07:01:28 -0600 ]]> http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2009/03/gotta_love_the.html#comment-85476 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2009/03/gotta_love_the.html#comment-85476 Mon, 09 Mar 2009 22:28:04 -0600
]]> http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2009/03/gotta_love_the.html#comment-85413 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2009/03/gotta_love_the.html#comment-85413 Mon, 09 Mar 2009 09:12:28 -0600 ]]> http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2009/03/gotta_love_the.html#comment-85340 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2009/03/gotta_love_the.html#comment-85340 Sat, 07 Mar 2009 13:01:47 -0600 Excellent point, Jon! http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2009/03/gotta_love_the.html#comment-85328 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2009/03/gotta_love_the.html#comment-85328 Sat, 07 Mar 2009 07:52:17 -0600 Now she is qualified to do maintenance on Bradley's.
Also since they are Army only, some Joint Service time too.]]> http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2009/03/gotta_love_the.html#comment-85325 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2009/03/gotta_love_the.html#comment-85325 Sat, 07 Mar 2009 07:32:03 -0600 ]]> http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2009/03/gotta_love_the.html#comment-85316 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2009/03/gotta_love_the.html#comment-85316 Sat, 07 Mar 2009 00:55:14 -0600 ]]> http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2009/03/gotta_love_the.html#comment-85297 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2009/03/gotta_love_the.html#comment-85297 Fri, 06 Mar 2009 19:43:16 -0600 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2009/03/gotta_love_the.html#comment-85296 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2009/03/gotta_love_the.html#comment-85296 Fri, 06 Mar 2009 19:39:21 -0600 ]]> http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2009/03/gotta_love_the.html#comment-85293 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2009/03/gotta_love_the.html#comment-85293 Fri, 06 Mar 2009 19:31:18 -0600
But, for all I know the pic is actually taken outside one of the Btn HQs in the 11 Mar area of Camp Pendleton. Never was a gun bunnie so never wandered around that particular part of the base.

As to tobacco, Day's Work plug is the way to go. Small, denser packaging so less hassle to carry enough to last. It's not prone to being ruined if it gets a bit damp like ciggies. Don't light you up at night like cigs either.  Never was a fan of loose leaf chaw. The chaw was alright, but the packaging as loose leaf was a lot of wasted space. Besides, the molasses used as a binder in the plug was a nice lil bit of energy boost on a long hump.]]> http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2009/03/gotta_love_the.html#comment-85291 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2009/03/gotta_love_the.html#comment-85291 Fri, 06 Mar 2009 19:04:22 -0600 ]]> http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2009/03/gotta_love_the.html#comment-85289 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2009/03/gotta_love_the.html#comment-85289 Fri, 06 Mar 2009 17:43:28 -0600
Do I get the photographers job now?
]]> http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2009/03/gotta_love_the.html#comment-85287 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2009/03/gotta_love_the.html#comment-85287 Fri, 06 Mar 2009 17:20:11 -0600 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2009/03/gotta_love_the.html#comment-85286 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2009/03/gotta_love_the.html#comment-85286 Fri, 06 Mar 2009 17:05:19 -0600
so we settled it the democratic way.  Sqdn XO mandated single flavor TOC.  that way, someone always had a pack to bum.  ammo cans full of the stuff.  always straw down on the floor, and a designated spit corner (funny how that always ended up by the intel M577)...
]]> http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2009/03/gotta_love_the.html#comment-85285 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2009/03/gotta_love_the.html#comment-85285 Fri, 06 Mar 2009 16:33:37 -0600 "Red Man Golden, all the way, all the day"

Been there, done that, found much better.  Stokers.  Far, far better and much less expensive in the long run, it's just not as easily found. 

But then, I'm an eevuul tobacconist and have access to such delicacies.

]]> http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2009/03/gotta_love_the.html#comment-85284 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2009/03/gotta_love_the.html#comment-85284 Fri, 06 Mar 2009 15:16:43 -0600
Nasty habit.

8^ D]]> http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2009/03/gotta_love_the.html#comment-85283 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2009/03/gotta_love_the.html#comment-85283 Fri, 06 Mar 2009 15:03:41 -0600
Kevin: spittin is for amateurs (unless we're talking some good barn-dried twist, in which case ya need to work up a good first spit just to get the thing jump started).

Red Man Golden, all the way, all the day.
]]> http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2009/03/gotta_love_the.html#comment-85282 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2009/03/gotta_love_the.html#comment-85282 Fri, 06 Mar 2009 15:01:01 -0600 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2009/03/gotta_love_the.html#comment-85278 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2009/03/gotta_love_the.html#comment-85278 Fri, 06 Mar 2009 14:45:53 -0600 DVIDS calls it a M2A3 -- Chuck

And the DVIDs caption is still wrong. -- JoA

Merely a misinterpretation. The captioneer obviously sought out the resident artillerist and asked him what the gun was. He glanced at the pic and said, "M2. Ehhhh, 3."

]]> http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2009/03/gotta_love_the.html#comment-85277 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2009/03/gotta_love_the.html#comment-85277 Fri, 06 Mar 2009 14:43:40 -0600
And the DVIDs caption is still wrong.  The M2-series guns are the classic 105mm howitzers that served from WWII through at least the 80s (in Alaska, where they worked better than the newer 105s), and the Canadians and other forces still use them.

That's an M3, sho' nuff!]]> http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2009/03/gotta_love_the.html#comment-85271 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2009/03/gotta_love_the.html#comment-85271 Fri, 06 Mar 2009 13:47:40 -0600 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2009/03/gotta_love_the.html#comment-85270 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2009/03/gotta_love_the.html#comment-85270 Fri, 06 Mar 2009 13:40:59 -0600 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2009/03/gotta_love_the.html#comment-85268 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2009/03/gotta_love_the.html#comment-85268 Fri, 06 Mar 2009 13:34:34 -0600 http://northshorejournal.org/our-best-pvt-1st-class-jessica-gwillim

Someone changed the caption at some point in time.

]]> http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2009/03/gotta_love_the.html#comment-85267 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2009/03/gotta_love_the.html#comment-85267 Fri, 06 Mar 2009 13:33:33 -0600 "A Stryker"

LMFAO

]]> http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2009/03/gotta_love_the.html#comment-85262 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2009/03/gotta_love_the.html#comment-85262 Fri, 06 Mar 2009 12:57:23 -0600
That was some years ago, when I learned the photogs google themselves (waves at SSG Mancini and SSG Barnhart).]]> http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2009/03/gotta_love_the.html#comment-85261 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2009/03/gotta_love_the.html#comment-85261 Fri, 06 Mar 2009 12:37:58 -0600
Those spoked wheels look OLD, I'm with John(NTA) on this one.
]]> http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2009/03/gotta_love_the.html#comment-85260 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2009/03/gotta_love_the.html#comment-85260 Fri, 06 Mar 2009 12:22:07 -0600 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2009/03/gotta_love_the.html#comment-85259 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2009/03/gotta_love_the.html#comment-85259 Fri, 06 Mar 2009 12:02:12 -0600 An E-7 said that to you? You're an officer, retired or not. http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2009/03/gotta_love_the.html#comment-85256 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2009/03/gotta_love_the.html#comment-85256 Fri, 06 Mar 2009 11:39:35 -0600 ...what's the gun in the background?

*putting on DoD captioneer hat*

A Stryker.

]]> http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2009/03/gotta_love_the.html#comment-85254 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2009/03/gotta_love_the.html#comment-85254 Fri, 06 Mar 2009 11:35:06 -0600 Be careful what you wish for...

As a young recruit in boot camp, our platoon was readying for our force march up Mt. MoFo at Camp Pendleton when the Senior DI strutted up.

He asked my squad leader if he chewed, and Pvt Butler responded; "Suh, noah suh! Thayut stuffs naastay!" (Butler was deep Southern).

I perked up at this exchange and secretly hoped the Senior would ask me if I wanted any chew.

The Senior then marched over to me and asked; "Ah, Goodwin, do you chew?"

I enthusiastically replied; "Sir, yes sir!"

"Open up!" He ordered, and pulled out a small pinch of leaf chew.

I, being a good Marine, obeyed orders, opened wide and the Senior stuffed in the tiny wad.

I was delighted, until....

The Senior roared, "I'd didn't tell you to close your mouth did I recruit?!"

He then proceeded to stuff the whole damned bag of chew into my mouth. I musta looked like a chipmunk after raiding a nut farm.

On the bright side, during that forced march, my mouth never once dried out.

On the dark side, I got hollered at (repeatedly, to the great and sadistic delight of my DIs ) for not requesting permission to spit....

Be careful of what you wish for....

And, yes, I could relate stories of BAMs who were tattooed, chewed tobacco and crushed beer cans on their heads in the E-Club...  but that's for another day.

]]> http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2009/03/gotta_love_the.html#comment-85253 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2009/03/gotta_love_the.html#comment-85253 Fri, 06 Mar 2009 11:24:49 -0600 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2009/03/gotta_love_the.html#comment-85252 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2009/03/gotta_love_the.html#comment-85252 Fri, 06 Mar 2009 11:09:12 -0600 ]]> http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2009/03/gotta_love_the.html#comment-85249 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2009/03/gotta_love_the.html#comment-85249 Fri, 06 Mar 2009 10:45:43 -0600
But Marine wimmin are tough like that. Of course, I remember when I first ran into womyn who exercise their right to chew... she was an Oklahoma Cowgurl in Lawton, who could spit with the best of 'em. Heh. 2LT McConchie tried to get me to chew. I did it exactly once. Clearly, I didn't get the attraction.]]> http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2009/03/gotta_love_the.html#comment-85248 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2009/03/gotta_love_the.html#comment-85248 Fri, 06 Mar 2009 10:36:03 -0600
Who do they think they're kidding with THAT caption?  Holy cow.  I'm not very good at identifying military vehicles or weapons, but even I know there's no way that could be a Bradley!  sheesh.]]> http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2009/03/gotta_love_the.html#comment-85245 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2009/03/gotta_love_the.html#comment-85245 Fri, 06 Mar 2009 10:21:24 -0600