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The Medal of Posthumous Honor

The Medal of Posthumous Honor

The Medal of Honor is a perplexing thing - trying to scry out the why's and wherefore's of who gets one. 

Among our allies in the Long War, the Brits, the Aussies, and the Kiwis all have something in common - they have living recipients of the Victoria Cross, awarded for actions that occured during their participation in the Long War.  The Victoria Cross is the Commonwealth equivalent to the Medal of Honor.

The United States has none.  

The Brits have a living recipient in the person of Lance Corporal Johnson Beharry, and a posthumous recipient, Corporal Bryan Budd.  The Kiwis have Corporal Bill Apiata and the Australians recently awarded the VC to Trooper Mark Donaldson.  In the Commonwealth armies, with only one less VC awarded than the United States has awarded Medals of Honor, 75% of their VCs went to living recipients.

The United States has five posthumous recipients.  Army Sergeant First Class Paul Smith, Marine Corporal Jason Dunham, Navy SEAL Lieutenant Michael Murphy, Navy SEAL Master at Arms 2nd Class Michael Monsoor, and most recently, Army Specialist Ross McGinnis

I would note that three of these men earned their awards diving on grenades to save their buddies, in light of this weeks Army Soldier-Warrior, Staff Sergeant Atkins.

Because of what I do for a paying job, I see the Army Soldier-Warrior of the Week about a week before it actually gets released.  When I saw this week's edition, honoring Staff Sergeant Travis Atkins, I found myself wondering - "Why wasn't this a Medal of Honor?"  The other thing I wonder about when I think about the Medal of Honor is "What is it about this war that has made it seem like we have, if nothing else, at least a sub-conscious policy of "The Medal of Posthumous Honor."  Representative Duncan Hunter must read this blog - he's asked the same question.

I don't believe that the per-soldier exposure to intense combat of our Commonwealth allies is greater than that of our soldiers - with the possible exception of the Kiwis, whose participation has been largely with SAS troops performing SOF missions.  Yet they each have managed to have one living recipient, and among them, they have 4 to our 5, and we have a *lot* more soldiers in the fight than they have.  I don't believe they have substantially less stringent requirements, either.

The vetting process for the Medal of Honor is extensive, and there is a lot more data there to consider than we see in the distillation of it that is released in the form of the citation.  And I know that Holders of the Medal are involved in the process.  The irony of the way things seem to be going is that there may not be any living Holders the next time we find ourselves in a big shooting war (not that this one is over yet).  But, for example, only 37% of the Medals awarded during the Vietnam era were posthumous awards.  For WWII, the figure is 57%.  For Korea, the number is 70%. For the Global War on Terror?  100%.   

When the article on SSG Atkins was released yesterday, it hadn't been in my inbox five minutes before I got another ping, from AFSis;
How could this NOT be a MoH??!!!!!????

i don't get it. I just don't....
 
Well, as noted earlier, I didn't either.  So I asked an expert.  Secretary of the Army Peter Geren.
Mr. Secretary, allow me to abuse the privilege of your email address one more time.

Incidental to my "pays the bills" duties, I see the Warrior-Soldier of the Week articles as they are being staffed, and I saw the Warrior-Soldier of the Week proposed for SSG Atkins last week.

And I find, as I waited for it to be officially released, that the question I had last week remains.

How is this functionally different from the actions of MA2 Monsoor and PFC McGinnis? Honestly, I don't expect you to have an answer, I'm sure it's been a much-discussed issue - but I will use this to express one item of discontent.

That the Medal of Honor has seemingly become the Medal of Posthumous
Honor.

I read DSC cititations for this war, and I see several recipients who would have been wearing the MoH were this Vietnam, Korea, WWII.
 
Mr. Geren kindly took time out of what has to be a very busy day as a new administration takes the reins and starts imprinting the budget process, and policy shifts, and settles in, to answer my missive.
I appreciate your input and observations-cannot speak to Monsoor, but
can to McGinnis. I did consider the SSG Atkins award in light of PFC
McGinnis.

Without going into detail,it was a very difficult decision, but I found them to be distinguishable.

I understand your concern, and it has been expressed to me by others, that we hold those who survive to a different standard than those who perish. I do my best to consider each award based on the individual circumstances and strive for
consistency in my decision-making. I value your input.-PG
The devil is in those details, and I will defer to a man who has been in the middle of it.  But I do think we've either broken the code, and have warriors, kit, and tactics that simply allow us to avoid Medal of Honor situations, and our Allies don't have that kind of kit and tactics (because in my personal experience, their warriors match ours qualitatively) that allows them to avoid those situations. 

Perhaps. 

I don't know the answer.  But in my heart of hearts, I suspect we're being too hard on ourselves, in context.

Which is better than the other way around, but still...

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It seems like the whole awards thing has gotten strange - The Bonze Star is now a wartime Meritorious Service Medal, the Silver Star seems to be hanging in there, but for anything below that you need to look for the "V" device. I never did figure out what the Legion of Merit is supposed to be for...  Still, for me the medal I'm proudest of is my GWOTE.  It may not rate very high, but it means something to me.
 
As you said, John, the devil is in the details... but I *still* don't get it.  Both McGinnis and Atkins knowingly fell on explosives to save the lives of those around them.  One gets the MoH; one gets DSC.  I can understand the controversy around the last DSC award with similar circumstances (the one where the soldier was already severely wounded when he fell on the grenade).  We've had private discussions about that, so I get that one.  This one...  I don't get.

I hope that your question, and Duncan Hunter's questions, will provide answers and results.  Our guys are out there performing incredibly heroic acts, and they're not being honored the way they should.  This needs to be fixed.
 
John,

You pose the 64 thousand dollar question and I did not find Secretary Geren particularly convincing probably because his answer is basically, "Trust me."
 
The Secretary's answer could hardly have been anything else. The recommendation process and deliberations are shrouded in secrecy, to an extent that the CIA should emulate.

But I agree with the concern that there is in place a de facto policy that the Medal of Honor will not be presented to a living recipient. I have my own suspicions why this is so.
 
Regardless of my level of trust, it looks like discrimination against the living.
 

"I found them to be distingquishable'", "The devil is in the details"...
I say this is a BS.  Rafael Peralta was denied his MOH for being 'too wounded' to make a conscious decision and SSG Atkins' sacrifice had what wrong 'detail'?? Did not let the guy with a suicide vest go in a first place so the guy did not have to detonate his vest??  

On the 'post-humous' issue, I agree with you, John.  There is something going on here, I just can't put my finger on it.   I do not believe that the issue of surviving should negate the level of bravery and sacrifice accorded to the person who covers a live grenade/suicide vest with his own body to save his buddies and other innocent people...

 
IMHO, some in the upper echelons of the vetting and awarding process may worry more about future conduct than the heroism for which the award is warranted.
 
Dead heroes are less apt to embarrass in the future.
 
From the Holders I know, there's a funny thing about the Medal.  It owns you, you don't own it.  It can be a bit transformative in that regard.

There aren't that many Medal holders who've found themselves on the wrong side of the law after getting their Medals.  And when they do, it tends not to be a big deal.

If, as Frank and others suggest, that's a logic being applied - Shame On Them Who Think That Way.  Not Frank, but people who are concerned about future behavior in Medal recipients.
 
I think fdcol63 hit the nail on the head. Dead man don't talk, they don't appear on television to say things you don't want said about an unpopular administration (as this current one is bound to turn out to be, and the previous one was at least portrayed to be).
MoH holders have a mystique about them, people listen when they talk. That's not the kind of person you want leading a protest march against the government, or even writing a letter to the editor of a major newspaper stating they feel the government is going the wrong with with their trillion dollar pork-bill (and no doubt the military would be punished by more severe cuts than the 11% they're already loosing were that to happen).

So we're not talking "the wrong side of the law", just the wrong side of some congresscritter or cabinet parrot who holds the keys to the DoD budget.
Something that might of course end up being against the law if things in the US go as I fully expect them to go over the next few months to a year.
 
Yet, we don't see a flood of Holders out trashing the government do we?  And one would expect the Vietnam generation to have some Holders with some grudges.

Again, if you guys are correct, and I don't yet accept that - shame on them.
 
I think of that guy who died of old age recently, who got a MoH for throwing himself on not just one, but two grenades at Iwo Jima. Afterwards, he went home and finished high school.
 
Pogue, I too feel that way about the Legion of Merit. It seems to be what they give you if you are a semi-high-ranking person who gets not exactly fired, more "kicked upstairs" so that you won't feel so bad and won't make trouble.
 
Just to stir the pot a bit...one of my classmates at my functional area school had just finished an Iraq tour on the 1st Cav Division staff.  He said that he knew of at least 6-8 MOH nominations that came through that division in their 12 months.  If you figure that their tour was typical, with 3 divisions  in theater for most of the war, and 4 since early 2007, that figures to 20-25 nominations per year from 2004-2006, and around 30 per year from 2007-present (I won't guess at 2003).  Call it 100-120 nominations, rough guess, for just Iraq since 2004. Oh, and that's just for Army and Marine divisions - it doesn't include SOF types).

So, at best (I know at least one MOH awarded came from OEF), that means 4% of the (guesstimated) MOH nominations for Iraq resulted in an actual award. 

Anyone know the success rate of nominations for other wars in the last 100 years?

Oh, and for the record, I think SSG Bellavia may very well hav sabotaged his nomination by running for Congress.
 
I think John you were asking the wrong person.  That reply is a stonewall.  This issue says bad things about integrity to me and the failure to clarify deepens that.

I see two driving forces.

1) Dead people don't inconvenience or embarass either the Government or the Military.  I'm thinking here more in political or bad behaviour lines.

2) There's a diseased cultural undercurrent of respecting heroes for their death rather than their deeds.  The 'ultimate sacrifice' worshippers.  It reminds me of Matyrdom actually.
 
"It reminds me of Matyrdom actually."

I agree, Argent.
 
The only thing I can think of to differentiate SSG Atkins from some of the others is that they jumped on grenades that were sure to detonate, while SSG Atkins was trying to stop the enemy from setting off his suicide vest.  No less heroic, but maybe the the tiny difference in the probability of an explosion was enough for the board.  I think we're doing our country a major disservice by not awarding The Medal to some of of our heroes who managed to survive their battles.