Close Station, March Order. That's artillery-speak for prepare to move to a new position, and President Obama has issued a CSMO directive regarding the detention facility at Guantanamo Bay.
Allow me to offer the reasons that my neck of the woods, Fort Leavenworth, isn't an optimal choice to be the next battery position for the detainees.
A little history.
Fort Leavenworth, Kansas was established in 1827, making it the oldest continuously operating Army installation west of the Mississippi River. The county seat, Leavenworth, is the “First City” of Kansas incorporating in 1854, and Leavenworth County was established in 1855. This was a rough-and-tumble place back during the "Bleeding Kansas" era pre-dating the Civil War, but we worked through it. Back in the day, as home to the “First City” of Kansas, the leadership of Leavenworth county was offered a choice – they could have the new state university, or they could have the new state prison.
Finding the thought of ruffian college students too odious to bear, they opted the for the prison. So, Lawrence got what became Kansas University, and Leavenworth County got the Lansing Correctional Facility. That simple decision has come to shape the destiny of Leavenworth the city and county.
Prison City, USA. That's us.
Or, as we ghost it via the marketing mavens... "The Great Escape."
Every now and then I want to dig up those long-dead deciders-in-chief and tar and feather their bones and ride 'em out of town on a rail and dump 'em in the Missouri. We have some history with dumping unpopular people in the river... and some tar and feathering, too.
But man, have we got places to store miscreants. Seven of them.
Yep. seven places to warehouse inmates, counting federal, state, local, and private. We have the big Federal Penitentiary and associated Prison Camp. We have the military Disciplinary Barracks and they’re building a Regional Confinement Facility here at the Fort in addition to that prison. The distinction is that the DB is medium/maximum security for inmates with sentences that are longer than five years and the RCF is for inmates with lesser sentences. We have the state Lansing Correctional Facility (just south of Leavenworth). We used to have a women’s prison, but the overcrowding in the men’s prison led them to move the women out to expand the men’s prison capacity. We have the County Jail. And we have the Leavenworth Detention Center, a rent-a-prison operated by CCA.
So, indeed, we know prisons around here, and are relatively comfortable with them. That doesn’t mean we don’t have some real impacts, such as providing services to inmate families that come here, giving us a very skewed poverty segment for the county, just as one example.
Fort Leavenworth is oft cited as a logical location for a place to bring the Gitmo detainees, mainly because of the Disciplinary Barracks. Ever wary of the pernicious aspects of reflexive NIMBY-thought (yeah, that’s a great idea, but Not In My Back Yard – NIMBY) I too looked at it as, well, okay, we’ll have to make some significant changes to the Disciplinary Barracks, certainly, but – why not?
And lots of other people thought so, too. Especially ones that don’t live here, I would note. So, you do a little digging, and you find that, huh, the Fort doesn’t really want the mission, and for good reasons. The City and County have objections, and the Governor and Congressional Delegation all stand against it.
And, they get slammed for it – as by Barbara Shelly, a Kansas City Star columnist, who referred to the wide yellow stripe they all share. Of course, it’s not really going into her backyard, either. I was going to do up a post, but my buddy, retired SF soldier, and retired after 25 years in the job director of the Leavenworth Chamber of Commerce, Charlie Gregor, did a better job than I would have – so I’m going to publish his thoughts on the subject here. The "Times" he refers to is the Leavenworth Times, our local paper that has a smaller circulation than I have a blog readership.
GITMO DETAINEES & LEAVENWORTH
I read the Times editorial page in the last weekend edition. There were three articles dealing with the possibility of moving the Guantanamo detainees to Leavenworth. One was an editorial, one a column and one a letter to the editor. All writers seemed to think the idea was at least OK if not good. I was appalled, both at the conclusions of each and the utter lack of knowledge and facts reflected in such “thoughtful” advocacy prose.
Please allow me to present some arguments and supporting points that the Times and other supporters of moving the detainees here have completely missed. I will look at the issue from four perspectives: The nature of the detainees; the vulnerabilities of the community; the impact on Fort Leavenworth; and the local economic impact of such a decision. The last two points are inseparable and will be mixed together.
Nature of the Detainees: The nature of the detainees is completely different from any prisoner or prisoners we have ever confined. They have no fear of death and welcome it if it damages the “Great Satan” United States. More importantly, their followers and supporters fall into the same category. With regular prisoners, however evil and repugnant the crimes committed, the worst impact on the community is having their deprived and ill-prepared families move into the area. The biggest negative impact is on our schools, housing and social service agencies.
We won’t see that with detainees. No families. They will be followed by suicide bombers and skilled fighters that are well trained, well armed and equipped and motivated to die for their cause. They couldn’t get to Guantanamo. They can get here. Our borders, both north and south, are incredibly porous and open. They will be assisted by confederates, “true believers”, already living in this country. Fort Leavenworth and the city of Leavenworth are “target rich” and vulnerable to a terrorist group that wants to make a world-wide statement, take full political advantage of the controversy surrounding the detainees, enhance their own reputation, widen their support base, and demonstrate dramatically that the Great Satan is vulnerable.
Vulnerabilities of the Community: Fort Leavenworth is difficult to secure. It is only about 8 square miles in size and is secured by a chain link fence that covers only about half of its perimeter. A railroad track that carries hundreds of freight cars pulled by approximately 60 trains cuts through the post every day. All pass within a couple of hundred yards from the USDB, Fort Leavenworth schools, housing areas and other population heavy facilities. It is an easy entry method for terrorists. The Missouri River borders the post. There is no fence. The east side of the post is primarily in the flood plain, heavily wooded, and easily accessible from the river by several means. A brigade of infantry would have a difficult time securing the post, using the most advanced technology as well as troops standing shoulder to shoulder on the perimeter.
It is the city of Leavenworth that is most vulnerable and the most likely terrorist target. In Leavenworth, within about 300 yards from the front gate to the post is Patton Middle School. It is one of many easy “soft” potential targets. That school, or any other in Leavenworth, could be easily seized by terrorists who will then make demands known. They will demand release of the detainees and other requirements. They know that won’t happen. They know they will die and are happy to do so. They will take with them several hundred children and adults, as well as any security forces they can reach. If this seems far-fetched, I refer you to the Chechen Muslim terrorists that seized a school in Russia to make their demands known to the world. And the entire world watched on television. Over 200 children and another hundred or so adults died as the terrorists happily passed to Paradise to make their point. The then-president of Russia, now Prime Minister Putin, linked the terrorists to Al-Qaida.
If you think this is fantasy, think again. The terrorists held in Guantanamo are the ultimate heroes of the terrorist movement. They cannot be reached now and there is no easy target that is tailor-made to remind the world of the global struggle, of their dedication, their valor and their sacrifice. Move them to the central United States and all that changes. If you deny that we are at war, deny the reality of 9-11, deny thousands of suicide bombers and attacks on innocent civilians around the world, deny we are facing a motivated and well equipped enemy who will gladly make any sacrifice to destroy us, and deny the reality of the costs and casualties we suffer daily, you can relax. But if there are enough of us who deny reality, one day our relaxation will be sadly and violently interrupted. We are very vulnerable.
Fort Leavenworth and Economic Realities: Fort Leavenworth is the education and intellectual center of the U. S. Army. It is world famous and for good reason. It produces the best officers and leaders of any army in the world. A major part of the educational experience is having daily contact and learning with international officers both in and outside the classroom. As our officers learn they also forge fast friendships with officers from more than 90 countries around the world.
These international officers, the best their countries have to offer, are welcomed in military and civilian homes as a result of the sponsorship programs developed by the communities in the Leavenworth-Lansing area and in Kansas City. When they leave they carry with them a true appreciation of life in America and usually refer to Leavenworth as their “second home.” More than half of them make general officer in their armies and many become chiefs of staff of their armies, ministers in their governments, and even heads of state. There are many instances where a U.S. officer has found his mission in a foreign country greatly facilitated because he is working with a fellow CGSC graduate. Recently this has been of great benefit in the Middle East, an area obviously crucial to U.S. interests.
Much of this will stop if the Guantanamo detainees come here. Several countries have indicated that they will not send officers to the place where those detainees are held. I would anticipate that no Muslim or Arab countries will send officers here. Other countries, for a variety of reasons, will probably acknowledge their support of those countries by also refusing to send their officers to a place where the controversial detainees are held.
The impact of such a loss of international officers would be considerable. The CGSC experience will become considerably less beneficial to U. S. officers, the Army and the Nation. We would lose meaningful contact with the future leaders of other countries. The value of the Fort Leavenworth education will be diminished considerably.
I would also consider that many U.S. officers assigned as students will seriously reconsider moving their families to Leavenworth. Most of these officers have had 2 or 3 tours in Iraq and/or Afghanistan. Some will, I am sure, consider that their families are better off staying where they are and come here as geographical bachelors. This decision will be based on a refusal to expose their families to pickets, protesters, anti-military demonstrations, and the threat of physical harm, something that will become an almost daily occurrence in our fair city as we assume the role of Guantanamo and all that such identification will bring.
This will have a terrible impact on the local economy. Loss of international officers and loss of at least some, if not many, families of officers assigned here will be damaging. But it is minor when compared to the fact that the identification of Fort Leavenworth as the confinement center of the Department of Defense, as opposed to the intellectual and education center it is now, begins to cause a reevaluation of the post and its mission.
Given the negatives that I have outlined, I would predict that the Command & General Staff College and related educational schools and programs on Fort Leavenworth will eventually be moved, possibly soon and probably to Carlisle Barracks, but there are many other options. This is not an unrealistic projection. It was seriously considered in the recent Base Realignment and Closing Project (BRAC) and we (the Kansas Governor’s Strategic Military Advisory Commission) countered by suggesting the U.S. Army War College at Carlisle come here, along with the Army’s Sergeants Major Academy and other important Army education programs. This would be consistent with the Fort Leavenworth mission and reputation as the intellectual and education center of the U.S. Army. Some of that is still on the table today but not if we become the primary confinement center for the Department of Defense and the mission and character of Fort Leavenworth is irrevocably changed.
Now we have real economic impact. All negative. Other than additional security troops on post, we have gained nothing. The post will be locked down. We will lose our municipal airport [The Fort allows the city to operate an FOB at Sherman Army Airfield]. We will have lost virtually everything that makes Fort Leavenworth such a great neighbor and valuable contributor to our economic base. We won’t make it up through a bunch of ACLU lawyers in our motels. It is akin to the old tale about the city of Leavenworth, in its wisdom, choosing to take the prison as opposed to the university that eventually settled in Lawrence. That is the kind of wisdom and foresight the advocates of bringing the Guantanamo detainees here are exercising.
We had better start thinking this issue through in real terms, based on real facts and probabilities, instead of taking heady idealistic and totally unrealistic points of view that utterly obscure reality.
Charlie Gregor
Charlie brings up several defensible points for a NIMBY attitude, to which people can respond, “Well, too bad, someone has to do it, and better Leavenworth just eat it than Gitmo stay open. Sucks to be you and have a nice day.”
True enough – though I am compelled to note that seizing a school to make a statement about the detainees doesn’t have to happen at Leavenworth – it could just as easily happen in Miami, Florida and have the stated effect. In fact could happen now, even while the detainees are still at Gitmo. It is still a real concern for Leavenworth, but one that actually generalizes across the country pretty well – especially if Leavenworth hardens its schools, etc, to make it more difficult to attack. We’d have the justification to get the money – Prince Georges County, Maryland wouldn’t.
With some exceptions, however, just about *everywhere* in the country could slightly modify those issues in their defense. And add some stuff in that Charlie left out of his letter but were in the general discussion we had on the topic. Such as the probable routine gaggle of protesters/counter-protesters who would gather about the place. I suppose on the plus side at least they’d probably stay in the hotels, if they could find space not already occupied by ACLU lawyers.
The DB, as structured, isn’t set up for the detainees. They have about 20 beds in their maximum security module. The rest is medium security. They’re set up as a conventional prison, with numerous communal areas and rehab programs. The facility wasn’t designed as a SuperMax kind of place.
Additionally, the inmates at *all* the local prisons use our local, in-town hospitals to get their medical care. Bring the detainees here, we’re going to have to build a facility to provide medical care, or face the prospect of moving these very dangerous men through the city, and then mounting security at the hospitals. Sound far-fetched? We have had at least one incidence of a hard-timer inmate at the DB hatch a plot to injure himself severely enough to require hospital care, and arranged to have outside-the-wire confederates break him loose at the hospital. So, wherever these guys go, we’re going to be building a medical facility or accepting a lot of risk for the local community.
Since we’re going to end up *building* a facility to house and care for these guys (which I note *already exists at Gitmo) – and any others we catch during the Long War, why not go ahead and build that facility in a far more remote place, whether the relatively unpopulated areas where the government already owns huge chunks of desert land that are easier to secure than mid-continental grasslands and forest right next to a large river and with easy access by highway, airport (Kansas City International is 20 miles away) and rail lines that run through the fort? Or someplace like Johnson atoll, a US-owned island in the Pacific? Heh. I can hear the screams now from the terrorist sympathizers – “But that’s where we destroy chemical weapons! We could expose them to toxic substances (not that they care about the troops already stationed there now…).
To sum up – there are very good reasons *not* to choose Leavenworth, which is bruited about mostly because we already have a military prison, with little consideration of the actual impacts bringing this particular inmate set brings with them, and the other missions of the Fort and the character of the surrounding area. And they have little to do with cowardice or NIMBY. They simply make sense.
And any “Prison City” can make similar, cogent arguments. In fact, any city can.
Which argues for a remote location, not an urban/suburban one.



We'll see.
Many birds with one stone. Why not build a whole brand new facility in the middle of nowhere to suit? It's 'shovel ready' and all that. Obama wants to build infrastructure and put people to work, well, here's something that requires roads, sewer, buildings, electrical, and the whole nine yards. I suggest Montana. Not because I dislike Montana, on the contrary I was a few minutes from going to college in Hellena some years back. I like the place. But it's also not densely populated, is fairly remote over most of the area, and hence doesn't therefor offer much in the way of places to hide in plain sight.
Never happen(slinks away before the barrage of beer steins, shot glasses, and other drinking paraphenalia hits and the boos start)
Now, there is a nice little island prison in SF Bay, pretty much escape proof......
Would the locals be allowed concealed carry for protection and civil security?
Ancient Chinese curse, "May you live in interesting times."
Rezko has friends who can help.
I was USAF, attended the DB 1987 through 1997. Got a civilian unhappy because he had to come in the last day of the year to out-process me. The only person he had to release that whole week and he was wanting to stay at home on unofficial vacation. I was also part of the work stoppage-minor prison riot- back in 92 or 93. It has been so long I don't even remember which year it happened. Now, I work, pay bills and hope Obama fails in pretty much everything he attempts. I knew guys in prison who did less that his appointees have gotten away with.
Nevada.
More specifically, the Nellis Range.
I'd like to put 'em at Groom Lake, Tonopah Test Range, or the Nevada Test Site, but there'd be too many problems with that. So if those places are out of the running, I'd say a brand new site a ways north of Rachel. Someplace like this: http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=rachel,+nv&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=38.092988,92.8125&ie=UTF8&ll=38.808948,-116.38813&spn=0.073303,0.181274&t=h&z=13
I've been out to Rachel and a few other places in Nevada. There ain't much there. The site in Google Maps I just linked to would do nicely, I think. Remote. Blazing hot in summer. Freezing in the winter. Big mountains all around. Oh, did I mention it's remote?
I wouldn't build a single road into the place. I'd air drop the tractors and such, build an airstip for C-130s and C-17s, and treat it like Gitmo West. Once the facility was completed, I'd put in an "Area 51" security system with the remote cameras, seismic sensors, and roving patrols.
I'd love to see the protestors try to get in there. I'd also like to see some sort of "rescue party" try to get in. It wouldn't happen.
Of course, I also have no problem with storing nuclear waste at Yucca Mountain...
However, I've got another nagging suspicion about this whole thing.
Aside from the whole nonsense about processing the inmates through the civilian legal system, I am worried that closing the Guantanamo Bay detention center may be the first step required in giving Guantanamo Bay back to Castro. I know this might sound paranoid and crazy, but think about it this way: You are Barack Hussein Obama. You have absolutely no problems with hardline communists. In fact, Fidel Castro demonstrates himself to be a man with the same ideals and goals as you. He even implements excellent "green" policies, forcing the stupid and wasteful populace to conserve resources by shutting off their water and electricity at night. You would love to convince America to follow in Cuba's footsteps. At least for now, you would very much enjoy to improve relations with Fidel Castro. However, you still have a few square miles of his island walled off and pack with Marines pointing guns over the fence at his troops, and they're not there by any agreement that Fidel is happy about. Hmmm, it sure would improve relations and make Fidel really happy, and willing to work with us (not sure on WHAT, but there must be SOMETHING, I mean he's a very successful leader after all) if you extended an olive branch by handing over those few square miles and getting our imperialist Marines off of his island, right?
Sure, maybe I'm hopelessly paranoid. Maybe I'm a raving mad anticommunist (okay, definitely). Maybe I have an unrealistically dim view of Barack Hussein Obama. But do you honestly think that the man who ran for President on the basis of making friends with Mahmoud Ahmadinejad wouldn't even consider this?
Gitmo is maintained for political purposes (to include periodically pacifying Puerto Rican governments of varying politics by removing the military presence from PR) and it's functions, aside from JTF-Gitmo, could be relocated to other places. Having been to St. Thomas, they could use some help - though I'm' not sure the island could actually support re-establishing a base there, since the residents have put a good chunk of the former sub-base to their own purposes.
But I bet they'd find a way, given the economic structure of the island.
I'll just pretend I don't know anybody on either base.... *sigh*
John, I know they're all NIMBY arguments, but I saw them as Not In the <i>U.S.</i> Backyard arguments. *double sigh*
I'm trying to do the "Respect the office" thing, but I am beginning to develop some very pointed opinions of certain people's intellectual skills...
Or maybe it's just me thinking as a rabid anti-communist or a guy who lives in South Florida and feels like Cuba is just a little too close for comfort for a Marxist revolutionary state, especially considering that this guy (not these people or this state, I mean this guy) was willing to point nukes at us when he had the chance. Either way, Castro is the enemy, so why give gifts to the enemy?
And if we *did* give it back, I would take back or remove all the improvements we made.
Unless, of course, we find a new management congenial - and I suspect we won't give it back if for no other reason than to not have it become an instant Russian naval base.
San Francisco, the city by the bay across from Berkeley...
heh.
Alcatraz makes some sense, sorta, except the refitting would be intense; and Pelosi already puked and blanched over that idea.
Remote. Middle of nowhere. Clear fields of fire...
Why are you all assuming they'll go to the US of A?
Are you saying AUS is going to volunteer to take these Jokers? hey, fine, you can have them. Just give them all the surplus Fosters. (What? ARgent says it's not really beer!)
I think the Armorer's only employment of irony is an artillery strike.
I usually prefer my flesh unadulterated unless it's a tad chewy. Irish style stew is nice with beer. Actually I've been meaning to try a vegemite slathered roast and see how it turns out. The plan Bill is to have copious amounts. You'd never use your last one on a marinade.
Political payback sounds fun, but let's be smart. Alcatraz makes some sense because of the difficulty of getting to and back from the island it sits on. But, being a major metro with 4 major airports(SFO, Oakland, SJ, and Sacramento) within an hour's drive the hostage scenario that makes Leavenworth a non starter just got made huger. But I think that's Doc's point: increase the casualty count of the idjits who opposed the Iraq war; whereas mine is how do we minimize the problem.
Johnston atoll seems to much like GITMO to fly imo. Same for sending them to Guam or American Samoa or other non-State territories. Pick a place and build, baby build.
As far as we're concerned, they're just criminals who broke into the house, shot the landlord, and turned it into a crackhouse, and they want us out of the garage.
Of course..."we" doesn't really include the federal government anymore...because the federal government is now being run by the crackheads.
And ONLY I mean "crackheads" metaphorically. Really, that's all it is. Honest.