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  <title>Comments for On the difference between &quot;Armor&quot; and &quot;Cavalry&quot;</title>
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    <published>2009-01-13T13:30:09Z</published>
    <updated>2009-01-13T16:17:48Z</updated>
    <title>On the difference between &quot;Armor&quot; and &quot;Cavalry&quot;</title>
    <summary><![CDATA[I have to admit, when I was reading the article about Canadian tankers in Afghanistan (linked in the post below) and I saw this pic...Well, let's just say it caused a little cascade in my neurons.&nbsp; So I rummaged around in my bag 'o pics and found what I was looking for - which&nbsp; came from a Canadian source, The Ghost of a Flea...&nbsp; a little graphic that captures the essence of the difference between Armor and Cavalry.&nbsp;Of course, for some people,it's all about the hat....]]></summary>
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      <name>The Armorer</name>
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      <![CDATA[I have to admit, when I was reading the article about Canadian tankers in Afghanistan (linked in the post below) and I saw this pic...<br /><br /><img alt="Canadian Leopard of Lord Strathcona's Horse in Afghanistan.  Picture by Major Trevor Cadieu" src="http://www.fototime.com/F5FB66389D6CD0D/orig.jpg" /><br /><br />Well, let's just say it caused a little cascade in my neurons.&nbsp; So I rummaged around in my bag 'o pics and found what I was looking for - which&nbsp; came from a Canadian source, <a href="http://www.theghostofaflea.com">The Ghost of a Flea</a>...&nbsp; a little graphic that captures the essence of the difference between Armor and Cavalry.<br /><br /><img alt="The difference between Armor and Cavalry" src="http://www.fototime.com/E1814629AE0F9C6/orig.jpg" />&nbsp;<br /><br />Of course, for <a href="http://www.army.mil/-images/2008/12/16/27352/">some people</a>,<a href="http://www.army.mil/-images/2009/01/09/28117/">it's all about the hat.</a>]]>
      
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    <title>Comment from Rod Thorsen on 2009-01-15</title>
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        <![CDATA[Had to think (yeah I know, it's all relative) abit about this.&nbsp; During one of my few direct experience's with the cav (I was there to orient these guys with armour ops, as they might see it, and at a low level to clarify), there was this guy crewing a 113 mounted TOW (more precisely, he was the gunner on the TOW and was the only one on that track at that tme) asking me if that thingie tramping though the weeds a hunnard meters away was one of my tanks.&nbsp; Weellll, it was a 113 without the TOW.&nbsp; After a quick period of instruction on the differance between real armour and CAV armour I felt a chill hoping he might see the differance between an M-60 and a T-62, at least in concept.&nbsp; Of course this was also during the Carter years and went a good way to claiming my GI Bill later.&nbsp; Hell, he coulda been checking on me for all I know.<br />]]>
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    <published>2009-01-16T05:55:11Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Josh on 2009-01-15</title>
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        <![CDATA[The Stetson should be the STANDARD hat.&nbsp; All branches, all units.&nbsp; Damned if I've ever seen a better hat for any purpose.<br />
<p>I really can't understand why the military, which certainly is in need of useful, practical equipment, has such terrible hats, by and large.&nbsp; The Air Force Flight Cap has got to be the worst hat on the face of the Earth.&nbsp; I refer to mine as my &quot;Official United States Air Force Silly Hat&quot;.&nbsp; I can't for the life of me figure out what the hell it has to do with &quot;flight&quot; (if there was ever a hat that would fly off when any plane within a mile started its runup, it would be the Flight Cap) and let's be honest, it IS a fast-food frycook paper hat dyed blue.&nbsp; Don't deny it.</p>]]>
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    <published>2009-01-16T04:38:29Z</published>
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    <id>tag:www.thedonovan.com,2009://1.10278-comment:82893</id>
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    <title>Comment from John of Argghhh! on 2009-01-14</title>
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        <name>John of Argghhh!</name>
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        <![CDATA[1st ID guys go torqued because you said &quot;If you're gonne be one, be a Big RED&nbsp;One?&quot;&nbsp; Heck, in my day with the 1st Foot, that was the motto.<br />
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STARTEX:&nbsp; Commander:&nbsp;&quot;First Sergeant, Morale Check!&quot;<br />
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1SG:&nbsp;&quot;No Mission Too Difficult, No Sacrifice Too Great, Sir!&quot;<br />
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MIdway through the FLAILEX:<br />
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<p>Commander: &quot;First Sergeant, Morale Check!&quot;<br />
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1SG:&nbsp; &quot;No mission, too difficult.&nbsp; No sacrifice, too great, sir.&quot;<br />
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ENDEX:<br />
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Commander: &quot;First Sergeant, Morale Check!&quot;<br />
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1SG &quot;No mission too diffcult, no sacrifice too great if it means I can have a beer, Sir!&quot;</p>]]>
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    <published>2009-01-14T19:57:58Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from SangerM on 2009-01-14</title>
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        <![CDATA[<p>AFSis, the Horse Faces forward on the left sleeve, rearward on the right. &nbsp;Period.&nbsp; I've seen home(Korean) made patches for the right sleeve that shows the horse forward facing, 'cause we never retreat, etc.&nbsp; In fact, I was told once that the horse faces the way we're going: To war and Home from war, and that's why it was left that way.&nbsp; And yeah, BillT, we all used to know that ditty about the patch, which is in fact a norman shield, with scaling ladder, horse, and Cav yellow center.&nbsp;The orginal had a blue border, I believe, like the old 2nd Cav Patch, but not sure of that.<br />
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BillT:&nbsp;the way I learned to screw with 1st ID guys was&nbsp;to put the emphasis on the Red instead of the One.&nbsp; Drove&nbsp;'em nuts.<br />
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BT:&nbsp; I left the Army in 87, at the height of the Cold War size.&nbsp; I&nbsp;always felt bad reading about what was done after that, and glad I wasn't part of it.&nbsp; Of course, I always wanted to be Team Yankee, too.&nbsp; Maybe just a little....&nbsp; As for the rest, I was 17 when I got to Hood and I met more truly screwed up people in my first year in the Army than I have since.&nbsp; It was fun and exciting mostly, until people started getting hurt, which happened more often than was ever allowed to happen after that.&nbsp; Frankly the Army I left was orders of magnitude better than the one I joined, in just about every way imaginable except one:&nbsp;it wasn't nearly as much fun to be a soldier in '87 as it was in '73.<br />
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And as for the beret, many Cav folks on Hood wore a beret in the early 70s.&nbsp; Black, blue, red, grass-green, etc.&nbsp; It was a pain in the butt.&nbsp; As for the sun, we used to rotate the cardboard riser over the forehead, then snap/flip it down so it looked like a driving cap.&nbsp; I still have mine, and I still wear it that way when i wear it.&nbsp; Of course, since everyone had to be idividual too, there were all sorts of ways to deal with the little tails.&nbsp; I let mine hand loose, but many people braided them, knotted them, cut them off, etc.&nbsp; See?&nbsp; Small things for screwy times.<br />
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And don't even get me started about the earplug case, shorttimers wheels (german curtain rollers), P38,&nbsp;blousing rubbers, and C-ration spoon fetishes... :-)<br />
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    <published>2009-01-14T18:20:18Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from BillT on 2009-01-14</title>
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        <![CDATA[Ooog. The &quot;Shinseki Sombrero&quot; -- for those of us who were unused to wearing the Chinese Fez, you either had to be looking into a mirror or have a buddy help you adjust it. We used to call it &quot;the crew-served hat&quot;...<br />]]>
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    <published>2009-01-14T18:03:54Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from John of Argghhh! on 2009-01-14</title>
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        <![CDATA[Heh.&nbsp; The Black Beret, aka &quot;Eric's Folly.&quot;&nbsp; I hope he doesn't introduce it to the VA to shore up flagging self-esteem amongst the employees...]]>
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    <published>2009-01-14T16:36:34Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from BT on 2009-01-14</title>
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        <![CDATA[&nbsp;SangerM,<br />
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Ok, I'll buy that. &nbsp;I am a product of the Clinton Army. &nbsp;I first joined in a funny time too - when we had this big huking force that was ready to smash Soviets who never showed up to fight. &nbsp;20 divisions were winnowed down to 10. &nbsp;We had all of these officers left over from the 1980's who just wanted to be &quot;Team Yankee&quot; and no real mission. &nbsp;So I can undestand how little things could mean a lot.<br />
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I think the only thing I really have to compare it to ws the creation of the black beret. &nbsp;I rememebr thinking: &quot;But how am I going to keep the sun out of my eyes?&quot;<br />
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BT]]>
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    <published>2009-01-14T16:23:46Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from John of Argghhh! on 2009-01-14</title>
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        <![CDATA[The First Cav took a big hit to its divisional reputation when&nbsp;one of&nbsp;its units, the 8th Cav,&nbsp; was shredded by Chinese forces in the battle at Unsan, 1-2 November 1950.. with a loss of over 600 troopers, as this poignant little bit illustrates:<br />
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The Department of Defense POW/Missing Personnel Office announced today that the remains of a U.S. serviceman, missing in action from the Korean War, have been identified and will be returned to his family for burial with full military honors.<br />
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He is Sgt. Dougall H. Espey Jr., U.S. Army, of Mount Laurel, N.J. He will be buried April 3 in Elmira, N.Y.<br />
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Representatives from the Army&rsquo;s Mortuary Office met with Espey&rsquo;s next-of-kin to explain the recovery and identification process on behalf of the secretary of the Army. <br />
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Espey was assigned to Company L, 3rd Battalion, 8th Cavalry Regiment, 1st Cavalry Division. On Nov. 1, 1950, the 8th Cavalry was occupying a defensive position near Unsan, North Korea, in an area known as the &ldquo;Camel&rsquo;s Head,&rdquo; when elements of two Chinese Communist Forces divisions struck the 1st Cavalry Division&rsquo;s lines, collapsing the perimeter and forcing a withdrawal. The 3rd Battalion was surrounded and effectively ceased to exist as a fighting unit. Espey was one of the more than 350 servicemen unaccounted-for from the battle at Unsan.<br />
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Between 1991-94, North Korea turned over to the U.S. 208 boxes of remains believed to contain the remains of 200-400 U.S. servicemen. North Korean documents turned over with several boxes in 1993 indicated that the remains from those boxes were exhumed near Chonsung-Ri, Unsan County. This location correlates with Espey&rsquo;s last known location.<br />
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Among other forensic identification tools and circumstantial evidence, scientists from the Joint POW/MIA Accounting Command and the Armed Forces DNA Identification Laboratory also used mitochondrial DNA and dental comparisons in the identification of the remains. <br />
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</blockquote>There have been several sets of remains of 8th Cav soldiers, all from the same mass grave, that have recently been returned to the families.<br />
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The collapse of the division was so complete that some of &nbsp;their artillery was over-run and captured - 20 105mm guns&nbsp;captured from US forces in Korea&nbsp;were used by General Giap's troops to shell the French paras at Dien Bien Phu.&nbsp; Much to the surprise of the French, who didn't think they had that much artillery nor could they get what they had there.&nbsp; <br />
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There has also been much speculation that the 1st Cavalry Division lost its colors - one version of the story being they were lost in the retreat from Unsan&nbsp; and Chosin, the other being that they were &quot;taken away&quot; by the Army leadership as punishment for the Division's performance in November, 1950.<br />
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The Center for Military History says, &quot;Um, <a href="http://www.history.army.mil/html/forcestruc/loss.html" rel="nofollow">no</a>.&quot;]]>
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    <published>2009-01-14T15:45:34Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from BillT on 2009-01-14</title>
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        <![CDATA[I had a couple of 1st ID buds who claimed it was &quot;The horse that was never rode, the line that was never crossed, and the yellow color tells you why.&quot;<br />
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Of course, my 1st Cav buds had their own version of the derivation of &quot;Big Red One,&quot; but it's not suitable for genteel company. But think #82 tucked away where the sun don't shine...<br />]]>
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    <published>2009-01-14T15:01:46Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from AFSister on 2009-01-14</title>
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        <![CDATA[Isn't there some distinction about the way the horse is facing?&nbsp; I remember Keith telling me that there was Cav unit that wasn't sent into battle, so instead of charging ahead, their horse's head faces the other direction- or something like that.<br />
Anyone know?]]>
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    <published>2009-01-14T14:44:37Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from SangerM on 2009-01-14</title>
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        <![CDATA[Heyo AFSis!<br />
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Yeah, the patch is a sight.&nbsp; Funny thing is it was designed by the wife of one of the Division Commanders supposedly.&nbsp; The down side was that all the uniforms looked like crap after replacing the 1Cav patch with almost any other one.&nbsp; The sleeve was either darker or had stich holes where the cav patch was and it stood out against the new patch, like the 1AD patch or the 25th ID.&nbsp; This was especially true of the old starchies...<br />
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The patch I&nbsp;hated wearing the most?&nbsp;&nbsp;III-Corps--stupid caltrop never did look worth spit on any uniform.]]>
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    <published>2009-01-14T06:12:48Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from SangerM on 2009-01-13</title>
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        <![CDATA[<p>BT, ok, so it was a kinder, gentler, less 'engaged' army of the immediate post-vietnam era....&nbsp; :-)</p>
<p>Small things made for a big deal while everyone worked off their own version of PTSD.&nbsp; Ft. Hood in '74 was really a dangerous, crazy place that usually saw a murder every couple of weeks or three, a race riot at least once a month (usually outside the 1st Cav Specialty House at the late breakfast the last weekend before payday), guards jumped and their weapons stolen (so they gave us clubs to use instead),&nbsp;lots of stolen, mishandled pyrotechnics going off all the time, and LOTs of drug and alchol abuse...&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;It wasn't FOB anywhere (I'm not at all trying to equate it to&nbsp;the war), but it was a place of intense emotions and lots of left-over baggage from the war, and our barracks was right across the street from the Minidome, which was new then, so we got a lot of the transient lost drunks traffic too.&nbsp; Schofield in '75 was better, but not much, and fortunately, by the time I hit Erlangen Germany in '76, the days of 'blood alley' and officers being tossed out windows had passed (for the most part).&nbsp; We still had a few murders and such, but nothing like what I experienced at Hood.&nbsp; All of which made the buckles and crap more meaningful to me, I guess.&nbsp; Something good among all that....<br />
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BTW, I'm a Jew as well, and&nbsp;your experiences are similar to mine (said in the most stereotypical Philly Jewish grandmother accent&nbsp; &quot;What're you gonna do in the&nbsp;(ugly Yiddish term here) Army?!?&nbsp; Jews don't go in the Army and the (ugly Yiddish term here) will&nbsp;treat you bad too when they find out!&quot;&nbsp; I wasn't all that worried, but I&nbsp;picked no preference for my religion just in case...&nbsp;&nbsp;Then, when I was in basic about 2 weeks (mid Sep) at Ft. Dix when they called a Bn formation and from the exercise platform the Bn CO asked if anyone was Jewish.&nbsp; I&nbsp;blanched!&nbsp; And no one raised his hand, so they asked again, they said they knew we were there, they just didn't want to have to look up our records, so a few of us (not me first) stuck our hands in the air.&nbsp; I was really a bit nervous...&nbsp;&nbsp;They called us all forward and told us we could go home for Yom Kippur and Rosh Hashanah if we lived close enough.&nbsp; Being from Philly I was allowed to go.&nbsp; Imagine, 2nd or 3rd week of basic and I was allowed to go home twice.&nbsp; Of course, the (ugly Yiddish term here) made me pay for it when I got back, but screw e'm, I got to go home and they didn't get a pass for another 3 weeks!&nbsp;&nbsp; :-)&nbsp;&nbsp;<br />
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V/R</p>]]>
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    <published>2009-01-14T05:53:22Z</published>
    <updated>2009-01-14T05:53:22Z</updated>
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    <id>tag:www.thedonovan.com,2009://1.10278-comment:82847</id>
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    <title>Comment from BT on 2009-01-13</title>
    <author>
        <name>BT</name>
        <uri>http://www.sargeasmic.com</uri>
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        <![CDATA[&nbsp;Sabers? Tanks and rifles? Belt buckles?<br />
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I'll just stay on the FOB with my coffee cup and my shotgun.]]>
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    <published>2009-01-14T03:11:28Z</published>
    <updated>2009-01-14T03:11:28Z</updated>
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    <id>tag:www.thedonovan.com,2009://1.10278-comment:82845</id>
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    <title>Comment from Old Fat Sailor on 2009-01-13</title>
    <author>
        <name>Old Fat Sailor</name>
        
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        <![CDATA[If it's Cav. use shrapnel, if it Armor use AP, What's the problem?&nbsp;]]>
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    <published>2009-01-14T01:30:46Z</published>
    <updated>2009-01-14T01:30:46Z</updated>
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    <id>tag:www.thedonovan.com,2009://1.10278-comment:82844</id>
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    <title>Comment from Rod Thorsen on 2009-01-13</title>
    <author>
        <name>Rod Thorsen</name>
        
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        <![CDATA[Tanks for the memories<br />
Your breach blocks so black<br />
And oodles of track<br />
And here at Grafenwoehr<br />
it's so good to be back<br />
Oh, tanks for the memories...<br />]]>
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    <published>2009-01-14T01:22:12Z</published>
    <updated>2009-01-14T01:22:12Z</updated>
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    <id>tag:www.thedonovan.com,2009://1.10278-comment:82841</id>
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    <title>Comment from AFSister on 2009-01-13</title>
    <author>
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        <![CDATA[OK Sanger- I'll give you that.&nbsp; I LOVE the Cav patch.&nbsp; Keith is a Trailblazer right now.&nbsp; Their patch is ridiculous, imho.&nbsp; I know it's supposed to be an axe, but it looks more like a small child tried to draw a horse head.]]>
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    <published>2009-01-13T23:57:47Z</published>
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    <id>tag:www.thedonovan.com,2009://1.10278-comment:82831</id>
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    <title>Comment from RetRsvMike on 2009-01-13</title>
    <author>
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        <![CDATA[belt buckle and spurs....&nbsp; thazz what it all about.<br />]]>
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    <published>2009-01-13T21:40:37Z</published>
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    <id>tag:www.thedonovan.com,2009://1.10278-comment:82815</id>
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    <title>Comment from Cannoneer No. 4 on 2009-01-13</title>
    <author>
        <name>Cannoneer No. 4</name>
        <uri>http://cannoneerno4.wordpress.com/2009/01/12/informational-armor/</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>RetRsvMike has it right.<br />
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When you look at the <a href="http://cannoneerno4.wordpress.com/2009/01/12/informational-armor/" rel="nofollow">branch insignia</a>, what do you focus on?<br />
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Tankers focus on the tank, and fancy themselves the Second Coming of Heinz Guderian, &nbsp;Michael Wittmann, &nbsp;Israel Tal and George S. Patton.<br />
<br />
Cavalrymen focus on the sabers, and fancy themselves the Second Coming of Ghengis Khan, Michel Ney, Nathan Bedford Forrest, and J.E.B. Stuart.</p>
<p>A Cold War era Armored Cavalry Troop was the smallest combined arms team on the battlefied, with dismountable scouts to act as infantry, Self-Propelled mortars for artillery, and Sheridans or M-60A1's for armor.&nbsp; Couldn't sleep much conducting an economy of force mission with one troop along a brigade-size&nbsp;front.&nbsp; Thus the popularity of &quot;cavalry chemicals&quot;.</p>]]>
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    <published>2009-01-13T19:29:58Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from SangerM on 2009-01-13</title>
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        <![CDATA[Or&nbsp;the belt buckle.&nbsp; For me it was the belt buckle.&nbsp; We wore the 7th Cav 'Rough&nbsp;Riders' buckle, not that same-ol' oval 'US' buckle... :-)&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; It went smashingly well with our black berets and 7th Cav unit crests!<br />
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And the big yellow patch.&nbsp; I&nbsp;loved the big yellow patch.&nbsp; Really.&nbsp; Still do.<br />
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I've also worn crossed rifles (on blue backgrounds of course) and intel brass.&nbsp; I'll&nbsp;take the tank-on-sabers any day.<br />
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    <published>2009-01-13T19:05:45Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from 11B40 on 2009-01-13</title>
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        <![CDATA[Greetings:<br />
<br />
Back in '69, I was with the 1st Air Cav. &nbsp;One of my memorable moments was at a &quot;lucky strike&quot; meeting in the bush where a 1st LT gave a too long dissertation on why we should have &quot;crossed sabers&quot; brass as opposed to &quot;crossed rifles.&quot; &nbsp;After his performance, he looked at me and asked, &quot;What do you think, Sergeant?&quot; &nbsp;I replied, &quot;I think I'm going to stay as far away from you as possible (pause), Sir.&quot; &nbsp; It did wonders for our relationship.<br />
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    <published>2009-01-13T17:06:52Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from RetRsvMike on 2009-01-13</title>
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        <![CDATA[armor, it's a platform.<br />
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cavalry, it's a state of mind.<br />]]>
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    <published>2009-01-13T16:42:35Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from AFSister on 2009-01-13</title>
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        <![CDATA[Well OF&nbsp;COURSE it's all about the hat!?<br />
<br />
Save a horse, and ride a <strike>cowboy, </strike>er, Cav Soldier!]]>
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    <published>2009-01-13T16:38:04Z</published>
    <updated>2009-01-13T16:38:04Z</updated>
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