Comments for Time for a Whatziss!

Time for a Whatziss!

2008-12-04T14:33:40Z

Today is a twofer.

First up - whattaya think these soldiers are carrying. I do not yet know, definitively, myself, though I have an idea that I will use to guide my research.

The second, I do know what it is, but we're going to let you guys noodle it around.

I figure you'll get *what* it is pretty quickly. So s/he who comes up with the most accurate and complete answer will win the bragging rights.

This item can be found on the web, btw.

Comment from Grimmy on 2008-12-06

2008-12-06T22:50:11Z

I disagree with this piece of gear not belonging on parade. The citizen tax payers pay for em, they should get to see them. And it is part of that unit's job slot to employ them, so show them off.

I don't know how the other branches do it, but in the Marines, anyone who sticks around longer than a couple years usually ends up cross trained in a few specialties.

I drew the NBC Survey/Monitor short straw. That entire instruction period was one long "pucker factor" for me. What I remember of it boiled down to "if you screw up, you die quick. If you don't screw up, you die slow. Either way, it'll be ugly, miserable, horrible and painful."

I did not enjoy any of it. Much prefer the general issue grunt type stuff.

Comment from Boquisucio on 2008-12-05

2008-12-06T04:36:34Z

*Hiya SangerM*

For his efforts, Ordie earns a full-throated Sardinian HUZZAH!

Comment from sangerm on 2008-12-05

2008-12-06T02:50:23Z

Ordie, that's great. I tried searches for all sorts of variations on CBRNE, but never with the periods! Good find....

But I still says it's not a primary weapon and shouldn't be on parade, etc... ugly..

Comment from ordie on 2008-12-05

2008-12-05T23:45:54Z

Thanks!

This lad is a long time lurker, and I love the site. I was very surprised to get ahead of the multitude of experts who post here.

Comment from fdcol63 on 2008-12-05

2008-12-05T21:44:12Z

ordie,

Excellent! I looked and looked, too, but came up empty.

Comment from John of Argghhh! on 2008-12-05

2008-12-05T21:25:13Z

Ordie - well done. Oddly enough, a couple of my searches got me to this company, but never to this page. Good job, sir! Or ma'am.

Comment from ordie on 2008-12-05

2008-12-05T21:16:34Z

CRISTANINI SANIJETGUN, this is what the lasses are carrying.

Comment from Katherine Optima Maximae on 2008-12-04

2008-12-05T02:20:59Z

Werekitt capturing device meant to grapple the kitty and bring her down from the chandeliers during mandatory castle cleaning.

Comment from SangerM on 2008-12-04

2008-12-04T22:42:46Z

fdcol63, I have to agree that's what's in the picture, you can almost see the flared front-end (the 'up' end I think) and the canister, but not the hose-ish thing... But why, oh why would they have those good-looking women carrying that POS in a parade anyway, as if that's a weapon, for cripes sake... What, they'd look too tough with the same thing the guy behind them has? Or with a pistol? You really gotta wonder about the Italians. Really.

But I have to admit, they've got some good looking chem gals.

Comment from Rod Thorsen on 2008-12-04

2008-12-04T21:45:37Z

Uhh, that would be military grade super-soakers, of course.

Comment from Rod Thorsen on 2008-12-04

2008-12-04T21:22:01Z

So, we're in agreement? These are super-soakers then?

Comment from John of Argghhh! on 2008-12-04

2008-12-04T21:03:44Z

Russ! I was gonna say, "Long time, no comment!" Thanks for dropping from the rafters!

Comment from Katherine Optima Maximae on 2008-12-04

2008-12-04T20:52:51Z

Anti-jackass date selector. Never let it be said those italian chicks don't know how to do speed dating.

Comment from RetRsvMikeMike on 2008-12-04

2008-12-04T20:49:50Z

haven't you ever turned your uniforms into the Quartermaster Laundry drop off? ya know how you always ask them for "just a little bit of starch"?

now you know how it gets there.

Comment from Arditi on 2008-12-04

2008-12-04T20:45:50Z

Hi Guys,
On their headgear is the Italian insignia for chemical corp I believe. Some sort of chemical gas projectile or gas determiner is my guess...?
Hope you are well John. I lurk here often. Regards, Russ(Arditi)

Comment from fdcol63 on 2008-12-04

2008-12-04T20:24:39Z

I think the pic at the bottom of this link shows it in action, but it's not clear enough to prove it.

http://www.esercito.difesa.it/root/unita_sez/unita_nbc_7_cremona.asp

Comment from fdcol63 on 2008-12-04

2008-12-04T20:22:01Z

Sanger, just a guess, but I think the shooter end is down and water feeds into a port where the blue caps are (otherwise, why are these things blue? LOL). Decon agent held in the canister (aerosolized? pressureized?) is mixed with the water/liquid, and then sprays out the shooter end. That's a pretty hefty looking "hose" between the stock and the canister for something, I'd guess. What the "commo wire push down" looking things are, I don't know.

But I haven't been able to find anything definitive yet.

Comment from SangerM on 2008-12-04

2008-12-04T19:56:07Z

Ok, the question I have is which end is the shooter end... I had thought the 'down' end was the shooter end, and the up end was the wire-connector end, but maybe the up end (to their left) is the shooter end, in which case, I don't know what to make of it. The posts on the up end look like old commo wire push-down posts, but ???

I think I give on this one, at least for now...

Oh, and as for that image, I just typed 20-shot revolver (which was the easy part to figure out) into google images and that was the second link I think.

Comment from fdcol63 on 2008-12-04

2008-12-04T19:23:24Z

Rather than a line reel gun, I think they're holding some kind of portable decontamination sprayer, that holds a canister that fits into something like this:

http://www.esercito.difesa.it/root/equipaggiamenti/mat_rep_appbon.asp

Comment from fdcol63 on 2008-12-04

2008-12-04T18:57:15Z

Oh, you mean do as instructed? LOL

Comment from The Armorer on 2008-12-04

2008-12-04T18:55:15Z

Good job tracking down the unit, Frank. Now figger out the gizmo!

Comment from fdcol63 on 2008-12-04

2008-12-04T18:53:11Z

Babelfish translation of the Italian text about the unit:

"The nuclear defence Regiment Biological and Chemical (NBC) " Cremona" , 31 December 1998 for preesistente reconfiguration has been delivered up of 7° the regiment medium field artillery them " Cremona". One is made up of a Commando of regiment, headquarters company, battalion NBC on four homologous companies. Only in its kind, composed from Volunteers in firm short and Permanent service, the regiment is stationed to Civitavecchia (RM). "

Comment from John of Argghhh! on 2008-12-04

2008-12-04T18:52:42Z

And nice job on finding the pistol someplace else, Sanger, vice the place that KCSteve did, which is where I got the pics originally myself.

No, that pistol will not be finding it's way into the Arsenal unless we win with lottery.

Comment from John of Argghhh! on 2008-12-04

2008-12-04T18:50:37Z

Frank was hiding in moderation, too.

Comment from John of Argghhh! on 2008-12-04

2008-12-04T18:45:51Z

Well, one comment posted twice, and the missing comment may be in moderation. I'll go look.

Comment from SangerM on 2008-12-04

2008-12-04T18:43:01Z

Heeeeyyyy, wWhat happened to my 20 shot revolver comment?

Also the unit crest or beret badge has the same hexegonal 'benzine' ring used in the US chemical corps insigina, and hte flame is likely similar to the flame of the flaming pisspot our ammo guys used to wear (still do??)

More to come...

Comment from fdcol63 on 2008-12-04

2008-12-04T18:39:20Z

Beret flash?

http://www.esercito.difesa.it/root/unita_sez/unita_nbc_7_cremona.asp

Comment from fdcol63 on 2008-12-04

2008-12-04T18:34:49Z

Unit identified:

7° reggimento NBC "Cremona" - Le Insegne
http://www.esercito.difesa.it/root/unita_sez/unita_nbc_7_cremona_arald.asp

Comment from SangerM on 2008-12-04

2008-12-04T18:29:33Z

Also, in pic one, the badges on the left sleeves are universal CBRNE type things, and since that is an Italian type beret badge, I'd guess these lasses are involved with either decon operations or marking of contaminated sites, etc. It may be the gun is desingned to allow marking of the area without having to go into it, OR it could fire a remote detector into a contaminate area.

More as I find it...

Comment from htom on 2008-12-04

2008-12-04T18:19:27Z

The line-thrower I thought was for a fly-by-wire device of some sort, or just a wire-thrower for secure communications.

The other thing I at first was a 24-shot something (an hourly gun, loaded once a day?) but half of the cylinders are only half there.

So basicly, I've got nothing.

Comment from SangerM on 2008-12-04

2008-12-04T18:16:07Z

Haven't looked above, could be late on these, but the guess are mine without help from the experts here:

1st pic is a weapon used for establishing a pull line across an opening of some kind, either for breaching, for grappeling, or communications, those are spools, I am guessing for comms, but maybe for listening devices or possibly sapper type stuff.

2nd pic is the cylinder for a belgian made 20 shot revolver, like this one: http://www.horstheld.com/0-HDH.htm

Comment from RetRsvMikeMike on 2008-12-04

2008-12-04T17:05:01Z

the red on the patch isn't a biohazard symbol, those are a depiction of bird talons.. that's the Distinctive Unit Insignia of the 1302nd Combat Sewing Company (the Red Robins). crest on their beret is heraldic, depicting the Red Robins' ancestral nest... (guess what song they march to?!)

and John is partly correct, although it isn't exactly a "multi-unit" parade. the Red Robins belong to a composite services battalion, alongside the 224th Mess Kit Repair Company (the beret insignia is a Spork).

Comment from fdcol63 on 2008-12-04

2008-12-04T16:37:51Z

Fishmugger, it would make sense if the beret insignia denoted MOS or job speciality, rather than unit .... like US collar brass insignia, where in one unit you could have soldiers in different branches, like FA, Quartermaster Corp, Signal Corps, Medical Corps, etc.

Comment from John of Argghhh! on 2008-12-04

2008-12-04T16:36:40Z

I'm 90% certain they're Italian, as that looks like a Beretta AR-70/90 in the second rank. As for who has what on their berets, it could be a multi-unit parade. When blowing up the pic, I'm not sure it's a bio-hazard symbol, but it does have an Italian tri-color to the top of the badge. The cap badge in the second rank, with what looks to be crossed lightning, kinda reminds me of a signal unit, and the troops in the front rank - the hex-shape to their flaming bomb might indicate a chemical unit?

Comment from Fishmugger on 2008-12-04

2008-12-04T16:27:20Z

The two ladies are obviously married as they both have rings on the appropriate fingers...so I lost interest.

The second is a picture of a back up reel for a Battenkill fly rod but without line installed. It couldn't be a multi shooting French gun, as they couldn't justify all those rounds. They never shot that often.

The main question I have is why the guy in the middle of the first pic has a different insignia on his beret.

Comment from fdcol63 on 2008-12-04

2008-12-04T16:21:46Z

Definitely more Italian than French. And it does look like a biohazard device on their patch, but the beret insignia looks more Engineerish. Odd combination, kinda.

Comment from Jon McFarling on 2008-12-04

2008-12-04T15:58:49Z

The first pic I agree is some sort of line launcher. I am more interested in why they have a Bio hazard symbol on their patch.

The second I would say is a cylinder for a two barrel revolver probably in two different calibers judging by the size of the holes.

Comment from KCSteve on 2008-12-04

2008-12-04T15:56:15Z

Hey!

One that I actually knew!

The second one is something I recognized from an old post over at Hell In A Handbasket:

This 20 shot revolver was manufactured by the French firm of Henrion, Dassy & Heuschen (HDH) from 1911 to 1928. It was marketed under a variety of names that were supposed to denote power and manly coolness. Names such as "Wild West", "Terrible", "Redoubtable", or even "Machine-gun HDH" certainly have a get-down-to-business ring to them.

www.hellinahandbasket.net/2007/04/double_barreled_revolvers.htm

Comment from Cpl Mongo on 2008-12-04

2008-12-04T15:54:37Z

As a am a former MARINE I am not familiar with the berets or the devices that adorn them. We never had a use for "No stinking badges!". However I can't help but think that those gals up front look a bit French. So I have decided that those items must be a new long range Tazer gun. Note the blue battery underneath and the line spooled on top. Remember the motto of the French Armes de Force: "Do no harm".
As for the bottom picture, as an active competitive shooter I recognize it as the new limited edition M6025 45acp Jerry Mikulik revolver from S&W. It is not yet accepted in IDPA matches but you can get away with it in IPSC.
"Reload? What for?"

Comment from John of Argghhh! on 2008-12-04

2008-12-04T15:44:38Z

BCR - btw, PG v0.55 (Prodigal Grandson) has been named Miles in honor of *that* Vorkosigan.

Comment from John of Argghhh! on 2008-12-04

2008-12-04T15:41:03Z

Curt - probably a more accurate characterization of the beret insignia is "The badge that we bastardized into our flaming piss post" these being Euro (I think Italian) warriorettes.

I also think it's a line-throwing weapon - but I'm also willing to consider that it's got a signals purpose, vice the more common naval one.

And Mikey went exactly where I expected him to.

Comment from Curt on 2008-12-04

2008-12-04T15:33:07Z

The first pic looks like the ladies are holding grappling hook guns. Whats really interested is that the insignia on thier berets look like a bastardized version of the Ammo Flaming piss pot.

Those look like alot of fun, oh and the grappling guns might be rather enjoyable too.

That second pic looks like the cylinder face to the worlds funnest revolver. I hope it shoots full auto!

Comment from fdcol63 on 2008-12-04

2008-12-04T15:10:09Z

Top one: Sort of what Chuck alluded to ... a grappling gun?

Comment from Chuck Simmins on 2008-12-04

2008-12-04T14:59:48Z

first pic: compressed gas powered - canister where mag ought to be. Line reel on top? Post for line reel strapped down behind reel. Don't know what it's called but navy would use it to send lines from one ship to another.

Comment from RetRsvMikeMike on 2008-12-04

2008-12-04T14:56:51Z

First picture is obviously olive drab thread bobbins, combat loaded. unit designation is 1302nd Combat Sewing Company.

Second picture is the developmental "air-cooled" bobbin, designed for even higher speed spin rates. has not yet been fielded to the 1302nd.

Comment from bad cat robot on 2008-12-04

2008-12-04T14:55:51Z

Space mercenaries, with the Vorkosigan mk II Choklit Gun modified for low-g environments.

Comment from Neffi on 2008-12-04

2008-12-04T14:50:21Z

Dangit, you allus post these pics when I'm at work- and my 'puter here won't display the pics...
Harrumph