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  <title>Comments for Speaking of Chrysler products...</title>
  <subtitle>We&apos;re the Military and Airpower Guys of Jonah Goldberg of National Review Online + a stray we found wandering around looking lost.  All original material JHD, BHD, JR, WT,  and KA 2003-2010</subtitle>
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    <published>2008-12-14T16:01:18Z</published>
    <updated>2008-12-14T16:27:00Z</updated>
    <title>Speaking of Chrysler products...</title>
    <summary><![CDATA[...some with short life spans (see post below this one) and others with longer ones - like the M1 Tank. comes this bit from Jim Dunnigan over at Strategy Page, on the the search for a &quot;30 ton M1&quot; (vice the 70-tonner we have now).&nbsp; Remember, the M1 tank&nbsp;was one of the reasons given for saving Chrysler the last time we taxpayers&nbsp;bailed 'em out - which worked out okay, IIRC, the Treasury actually making a little money.&nbsp; Mind you, the bailout was devised and managed by a management consulting firm - not Congress...]]]></summary>
    <author>
      <name>The Armorer</name>
      <uri>http://www.thedonovan.com</uri>
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    <category term="Gun Pr0n - A Naughty Expose&apos; of the fiddly bits" />
    
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      <![CDATA[...some with short life spans (see post below this one) and others with longer ones - like the M1 Tank. comes this bit from Jim Dunnigan over at Strategy Page, on the the search for a &quot;30 ton M1&quot; (vice the 70-tonner we have now).&nbsp; Remember, the M1 tank&nbsp;was one of the reasons given for saving Chrysler the last time we taxpayers&nbsp;bailed 'em out - which worked out okay, IIRC, the Treasury actually making a little money.&nbsp; Mind you, the bailout was devised and managed by a management consulting firm - not Congress...]<br /><br /><br /><blockquote><div>The U.S. Army is carrying out an aggressive development program to produce a new, lightweight composite armor for its next generation tank. This vehicle, part of the FCS (Future Combat System) series of vehicles, will weigh under 30 tons. The current U.S. tank, the M-1, weighs 70 tons. Composite armor was invented in Britain during the 1980s. The British developers had found that layers of different metals and ceramics made the armor lighter, and more resistant to penetration by solid shot or HEAT shells. The U.S. added a layer of depleted uranium to its composite armor, and produced the most penetration resistant tank armor ever. <br /><br />Now U.S. Army developers are betting that they can come up with breakthroughs in composite armor design that will produce protection equal to what the M-1 now has, but at less than half the weight. The army developers are doing it by trial and error, making some progress most months. It's still unknown if the new lightweight armor will be there in time for the new tank's debut date in 2015. <br />&nbsp;</div></blockquote>You should go read the whole bit, by <a href="http://www.strategypage.com/dls/articles/200812140522.asp">clicking this link</a>.<br /><br />Here's another very-short-lived Chrysler product:<br /><br /><div style="text-align: center"><img alt="So, whatziss?" src="http://www.fototime.com/ECF3CA74ADB3F11/orig.jpg" /></div><br /><br />What d'you think we were trying to accomplish with this beastie?<br />]]>
      
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    <title>Comment from TrustButVerify on 2008-12-16</title>
    <author>
        <name>TrustButVerify</name>
        
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        <![CDATA[Speaking of the M-1 and Chrysler, I'd forgotten how unpopular the Abrams was with the media before Desert Storm.<br />
<a href="http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1316/is_v19/ai_4696991/print?tag=artBody;col1" rel="nofollow">http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1316/is_v19/ai_4696991/print?tag=artBody;col1</a><br />
<br />]]>
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    <published>2008-12-16T12:53:54Z</published>
    <updated>2008-12-16T12:53:54Z</updated>
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    <id>tag:www.thedonovan.com,2008://1.10148-comment:81555</id>
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    <title>Comment from Josh on 2008-12-15</title>
    <author>
        <name>Josh</name>
        
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        <![CDATA[Wow, that's a hell of a strange design.&nbsp; Good find, Rod!<br />
<br />
Interesting thing about nuclear rounds is that you actually can't really make them small enough to fit in tank barrels (at least not of traditional bore sizes).<br />]]>
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    <published>2008-12-16T00:14:59Z</published>
    <updated>2008-12-16T00:14:59Z</updated>
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    <id>tag:www.thedonovan.com,2008://1.10148-comment:81547</id>
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    <title>Comment from Rod Thorsen on 2008-12-15</title>
    <author>
        <name>Rod Thorsen</name>
        
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        <![CDATA[Found it, Chrysler TV-8<br />
<br />
Scrol down.<br />
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<a href="http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,673.0/highlight,nuclear+tank.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,673.0/highlight,nuclear+tank.html</a><br />]]>
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    <published>2008-12-15T21:37:30Z</published>
    <updated>2008-12-15T21:37:30Z</updated>
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    <id>tag:www.thedonovan.com,2008://1.10148-comment:81543</id>
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    <title>Comment from Casey on 2008-12-15</title>
    <author>
        <name>Casey</name>
        <uri>http://www.thegantry.net/blog</uri>
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        <![CDATA[At a wild guess: a vehicle designed to test-fire nuclear-armed rounds.<br />]]>
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    <published>2008-12-15T20:35:08Z</published>
    <updated>2008-12-15T20:35:08Z</updated>
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    <id>tag:www.thedonovan.com,2008://1.10148-comment:81538</id>
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    <title>Comment from fdcol63 on 2008-12-15</title>
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        <name>fdcol63</name>
        
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        Whenever I hear liberal Democrats argue that we must bail-out unionized industries to maintain defense and national security, my B.S. meter starts pegging the red.
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    <published>2008-12-15T18:49:52Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from MAJ Arkay on 2008-12-15</title>
    <author>
        <name>MAJ Arkay</name>
        
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        <![CDATA[That bail-out argument won't work this time.&nbsp; The Big 3 sold their tank making side to General Dynamics years ago.]]>
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    <published>2008-12-15T17:00:49Z</published>
    <updated>2008-12-15T17:00:49Z</updated>
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    <id>tag:www.thedonovan.com,2008://1.10148-comment:81524</id>
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    <title>Comment from RetRsvMike on 2008-12-15</title>
    <author>
        <name>RetRsvMike</name>
        
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        <![CDATA[sleeper cab (we needs our &quot;crew rest&quot;)<br />]]>
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    <published>2008-12-15T14:47:45Z</published>
    <updated>2008-12-15T14:47:45Z</updated>
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    <id>tag:www.thedonovan.com,2008://1.10148-comment:81519</id>
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    <title>Comment from Rod Thorsen on 2008-12-14</title>
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        <name>Rod Thorsen</name>
        
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        <![CDATA[Meant to be nuclear powered, IIRC.<br />]]>
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    <published>2008-12-15T03:07:58Z</published>
    <updated>2008-12-15T03:07:58Z</updated>
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    <id>tag:www.thedonovan.com,2008://1.10148-comment:81518</id>
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    <title>Comment from AW1 Tim on 2008-12-14</title>
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        <name>AW1 Tim</name>
        
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        <![CDATA[<br />
&nbsp; Crew survivability in an NBC environment. The whole crew is in the turret. <br />]]>
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    <published>2008-12-15T00:51:24Z</published>
    <updated>2008-12-15T00:51:24Z</updated>
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    <id>tag:www.thedonovan.com,2008://1.10148-comment:81517</id>
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    <title>Comment from Josh on 2008-12-14</title>
    <author>
        <name>Josh</name>
        
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        <![CDATA[I don't know about range target, it seems strange that they would design such a goofy looking thing with so many complex curves...wouldn't it be easier just to build a box with a barrel, or if not, wouldn't they want to copy a T-34 or a T-72?<br />
<br />
I was certainly wondering about how it elevates and traverses, too...the lack of sharpness and contrast obviously aren't making it very easy, but I think I can see what MIGHT be a part that allows the barrel to elevate.&nbsp; Look where the very sharp line forming the &quot;crease&quot; around the turret thing abruptly becomes soft, just to the left of where the barrel protrudes.&nbsp; It could be nothing, or it could be a sort of a hinge.&nbsp; As for the ability to traverse...I just can't see how that turret can move, I think the idea was that the whole vehicle should be rotated instead of just the turret...maybe, before the days of the M1's fancy fire control system, they decided that tankers shouldn't be shooting on the move?<br />]]>
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    <published>2008-12-15T00:12:50Z</published>
    <updated>2008-12-15T00:12:50Z</updated>
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    <id>tag:www.thedonovan.com,2008://1.10148-comment:81516</id>
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    <title>Comment from Heartless Libertarian on 2008-12-14</title>
    <author>
        <name>Heartless Libertarian</name>
        <uri>http://heartlesslibertarian.blogspot.com</uri>
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        <![CDATA[They were trying to make the tank lighter by building it in such a way that they could fill it with helium.<br />]]>
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    <published>2008-12-14T23:38:38Z</published>
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    <id>tag:www.thedonovan.com,2008://1.10148-comment:81515</id>
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    <title>Comment from DL Sly on 2008-12-14</title>
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        <name>DL Sly</name>
        
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        <![CDATA[<p><em>&quot;You are closer than you realize.&quot;<br />
</em><br />
Now <em>that's</em> a scary thought....<br />
0&gt;;~}</p>]]>
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    <published>2008-12-14T22:34:45Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Cannonshop on 2008-12-14</title>
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        <name>Cannonshop</name>
        
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        <![CDATA[Huh.&nbsp; Looks more like a range target to me-notice that the prow of the turret melds nicely into the gun and leaves zero for movement, that the turret itself does not appear to be built to swivel?<br />
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Range target, or Decoy mockup are my bets.<br />]]>
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    <published>2008-12-14T21:40:07Z</published>
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    <id>tag:www.thedonovan.com,2008://1.10148-comment:81511</id>
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    <title>Comment from Josh on 2008-12-14</title>
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        <name>Josh</name>
        
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        <![CDATA[Either that or it's supposed to avoid being torn apart by the shockwave when the commies drop a kiloton device in front of it.<br />]]>
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    <published>2008-12-14T21:18:37Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Josh on 2008-12-14</title>
    <author>
        <name>Josh</name>
        
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        <![CDATA[It's Al Gore's streamlined tank for greater fuel efficiency!<br />]]>
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    <published>2008-12-14T21:14:41Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from John (not the armorer) on 2008-12-14</title>
    <author>
        <name>John (not the armorer)</name>
        
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        <![CDATA[Proving ground accident when fired with a plug in the muzzle?<br />
<br />
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    <published>2008-12-14T20:59:23Z</published>
    <updated>2008-12-14T20:59:23Z</updated>
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    <title>Comment from Justthisguy on 2008-12-14</title>
    <author>
        <name>Justthisguy</name>
        <uri>http://enemiesofthelibrary.blogspot.com</uri>
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        Definitely no shot traps. Definitely. Definitely.
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    <published>2008-12-14T19:54:22Z</published>
    <updated>2008-12-14T19:54:22Z</updated>
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    <id>tag:www.thedonovan.com,2008://1.10148-comment:81504</id>
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    <title>Comment from Argent on 2008-12-14</title>
    <author>
        <name>Argent</name>
        <uri>http://insanityblog.com/</uri>
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        <![CDATA[You cannot tell me that is supposed to survive a nuke.<br />
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    <published>2008-12-14T19:50:39Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from John of Argghhh! on 2008-12-14</title>
    <author>
        <name>John of Argghhh!</name>
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        <![CDATA[Sly - <br />
1.&nbsp;&nbsp; &quot;Auld Soldier&quot; is a title around here.&nbsp; My Dad.&nbsp; Who *is* an auld artilleryman, though he seldom weighs in on whatziss'.<br />
2.&nbsp; You assume I *don't*&nbsp;know what the design was intending.<br />
3.&nbsp; You are closer than you realize.]]>
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    <published>2008-12-14T18:45:38Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from DL Sly on 2008-12-14</title>
    <author>
        <name>DL Sly</name>
        
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        <![CDATA[That's easy.&nbsp; That there beastie was designed to withstand the blast of&nbsp;an Illudium Pu-36 Explosive Space Modulator.<br />
Geez, I figured an Auld Soldier (and an Arty guy at that)&nbsp;would know that.<br />
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    <published>2008-12-14T18:20:51Z</published>
    <updated>2008-12-14T18:20:51Z</updated>
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    <title>Comment from fdcol63 on 2008-12-14</title>
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        <![CDATA[Looks air-tight ..... few seals ..... also few&nbsp;flat places to catch incoming projectiles ... perhaps deflection?]]>
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    <published>2008-12-14T18:17:41Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Barb on 2008-12-14</title>
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        I dunno - make the opposing force fall over laughing?
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    <published>2008-12-14T16:50:08Z</published>
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