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  <title>Comments for As I Was Saying, Logistics</title>
  <subtitle>We&apos;re the Military and Airpower Guys of Jonah Goldberg of National Review Online + a stray we found wandering around looking lost.  All original material JHD, BHD, JR, WT,  and KA 2003-2010</subtitle>
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    <published>2008-11-16T11:02:46Z</published>
    <updated>2008-11-16T11:27:15Z</updated>
    <title>As I Was Saying, Logistics</title>
    <summary><![CDATA[After Friday's post regarding how many troops we can put on the ground in Afghanistan v. logistical capability of maintaining supply lines (that no one is talking about), comes this little report:

Pakistan temporarily bars closed container trucks from rolling on certain roads.

Namley, the roads we use to keep our troops supplied.&nbsp; The Al (Qaeda) Press, helpfully notes that US shipments leave Karachi in unmarked, closed containers.&nbsp; They just confirmed all Taliban suspicion that they should attack all of these trucks.&nbsp; Don't bother with all that long distance spying hanging out near Karachi to see what and when something leaves.&nbsp; Just hang out some where further up the road and capture all unmarked containers.

Uggh!

Any how, this is the problem with putting troops in Afghanistan.&nbsp; There is simply few ingress routes for re-supply and they are all dangerous.
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    <author>
      <name>Kat</name>
      <uri>http://themiddleground.blogspot.com</uri>
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      <![CDATA[After <a href="http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2008/11/logistics_littl.html"><strong>Friday's post</strong></a> regarding how many troops we can put on the ground in Afghanistan v. logistical capability of maintaining supply lines (that no one is talking about), comes this little report:<br /> <br /> <a href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081116/ap_on_re_as/as_afghanistan"><strong>Pakistan temporarily bars closed container trucks from rolling on certain roads</strong></a>.<br /> <br /> Namley, the roads we use to keep our troops supplied.&nbsp; The Al (Qaeda) Press, helpfully notes that US shipments leave Karachi in unmarked, closed containers.&nbsp; They just confirmed all Taliban suspicion that they should attack all of these trucks.&nbsp; Don't bother with all that long distance spying hanging out near Karachi to see what and when something leaves.&nbsp; Just hang out some where further up the road and capture all unmarked containers.<br /> <br /> Uggh!<br /> <br /> Any how, this is the problem with putting troops in Afghanistan.&nbsp; There is simply few ingress routes for re-supply and they are all dangerous.<br /> <br />]]>
      
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    <title>Comment from Cannoneer No. 4 on 2008-11-18</title>
    <author>
        <name>Cannoneer No. 4</name>
        <uri>http://cannoneerno4.wordpress.com/2008/04/24/abnaa-al-amriki/</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<a href="http://feraljundi.com/2008/11/16/news-logistics-hell-in-afghanistan-and-pakistan/" rel="nofollow">Logistics Heck in Afghanistan and Pakistan</a><br />
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<em>﻿Take charge of the roads and own them. That means patrol, post overwatch on stretches of road, and work with the villages that are near these roads. Set up a text messaging/mobile phone road watch crew, and pay them to report on Taliban activity in the villages and roads. Do something to empower the local populations, and get the police busy on this stuff. The security of logistics and commerce on these roads are vital, and we must do a better job of protection of said activities. </em>-Head Jundi <br />
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    <published>2008-11-18T16:18:02Z</published>
    <updated>2008-11-18T16:18:02Z</updated>
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    <title>Comment from Cannoneer No. 4 on 2008-11-17</title>
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        <name>Cannoneer No. 4</name>
        <uri>http://cannoneerno4.wordpress.com/2008/10/19/we-cant-logistically-support-a-surge/</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<a href="http://www.captainsjournal.com/2008/11/17/how-many-troops-can-we-logistically-support-in-afghanistan/" rel="nofollow">How Many Troops Can We Logistically Support in Afghanistan?</a>&nbsp;]]>
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    <published>2008-11-17T22:28:00Z</published>
    <updated>2008-11-17T22:28:00Z</updated>
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    <id>tag:www.thedonovan.com,2008://1.10004-comment:80514</id>
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    <title>Comment from Grumpy on 2008-11-17</title>
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        <name>Grumpy</name>
        
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        <![CDATA[Extortion was never very high on my list. If these individuals became &quot;accident prone&quot;, what could I say? &quot;- - IT HAPPENS!&quot;&nbsp;]]>
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    <published>2008-11-17T21:13:41Z</published>
    <updated>2008-11-17T21:13:41Z</updated>
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    <title>Comment from Grumpy on 2008-11-17</title>
    <author>
        <name>Grumpy</name>
        
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        <![CDATA[As I read the information, there is no way for me to write what I'm thinking and stay within the rulez. The hard part, what I'm thinking, I don't it's anatomically possible, but I would be glad &nbsp;to help them &quot;consume&quot; it, without the benefit of lubrication. People need a &quot;Radical Attitude Adjustment.&quot; My thinking, this process would most definitely open some eyes.&nbsp;]]>
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    <published>2008-11-17T20:38:24Z</published>
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    <id>tag:www.thedonovan.com,2008://1.10004-comment:80512</id>
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    <title>Comment from R Jewell on 2008-11-17</title>
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        <name>R Jewell</name>
        
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        <![CDATA[Supply routes were reopened on Monday morning.<br />
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Predator strikes will continue in the FATA.&nbsp; Protests by the Paki Government should be taken with a grain of salt, as they are meant mostly for &quot;local consumption&quot;.<br />
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    <published>2008-11-17T19:35:03Z</published>
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    <id>tag:www.thedonovan.com,2008://1.10004-comment:80500</id>
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    <title>Comment from R. M. Hayball on 2008-11-16</title>
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        <name>R. M. Hayball</name>
        
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        <![CDATA[The roads are &quot;lines of communication&quot;.&nbsp; The way to protect lines of communication is by A)&quot;escort of convoy&quot; and B)&quot;hunter-killer groups&quot;.&nbsp; This is supported by &quot;stategic attack of logistic bases&quot; the location and defensive capability of which is determined by &quot;operational level military intelligence&quot; - the preferred method of conducting same is &quot;by every method possible to the maximum extent of capability&quot;.&nbsp; Attacks on enemy forces are carried out by convoy air and surface (ground for land operations) units where and when encountered in the vicinity of the convoy, prosecuted with utmost tenacity and overwhelming force.&nbsp; Quarter is what you put in the soft drink machine, it has nothing to do with the enemy.&nbsp; Think of anti-submarine warfare and substitute SOF for ASW submarines and armor and mechanized formation for battleship, cruiser and destroyer. Attack aircraft are pretty much attack aircraft.&nbsp; The basic idea is kill 'em when they attack, kill 'em in transit, kill 'em at the logistic base.&nbsp; If you can't detect them before they attack,<br />
improve your detection capability by all means possible.&nbsp; If you don't quite know how to organize this, put your brightest sof and armor guys in the room with the submariners and the surface ASW guys from the Navy, the young troublemaking out of the box ones.&nbsp; Then back em, enable em, &nbsp;and protect em from the mossbacks and the remfs.&nbsp; Works every time, if you got the nerve...<br />
Just my opinion.&nbsp; No charge.]]>
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    <published>2008-11-16T21:52:55Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Cannoneer No. 4 on 2008-11-16</title>
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        <name>Cannoneer No. 4</name>
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        <![CDATA[<a href="http://cannoneerno4.wordpress.com/2008/07/29/red-ball-express-rides-again/" rel="nofollow">Red Ball Express Rides Again?</a><br />
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<em>Karachi is the Sea Port of Debarkation for Operation Enduring Freedom. The place where they unload the boat. Karachi is for OEF what Shuaiba, Kuwait is for OIF, and the Main Supply Route, or OEF&rsquo;s Route Tampa up from Karachi, is 759 klicks. 472 miles of bad road, shake down, extortion, break down and delay. The drivers get jacked around at Karachi by Pakistani Customs, the Pakistani version of the Teamsters, the trucking company they contracted with, and all the various trolls setting up road blocks for the collection of protection money, and then they get to sit in a parking lot at Chaman waiting to cross over to Spin Boldak. Things go boom in the night in that parking lot. By the time they got to us, a lot of them were a bit testy. Some times they wanted to fuss at us over what ever shaft they had got or abuse they had suffered on the way. They exaggerate to pull on your heart strings with the most pitiable ordeals imaginable, but some of that was indeed happening. Neither the U. S. Army, Afghan National Army, Afghan National Police, Canadian Forces, British, Romanians or Dutch military escorted these jingle trucks until they got through Spin, and often not even then. Some times they weren&rsquo;t even part of a convoy. Just a lone truck, a driver and his alternate lifestyle partner diddy-bopping on up the road.<br />
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    <published>2008-11-16T19:04:26Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Oldloadr on 2008-11-16</title>
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        <name>Oldloadr</name>
        
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        <![CDATA[So, mark the containers with &quot;Baby Formula,&quot; it worked for Saddam, no wait it didn't work... never mind.]]>
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    <published>2008-11-16T18:22:58Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Sean Maloney on 2008-11-16</title>
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        <name>Sean Maloney</name>
        
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        <![CDATA[Keep an eye on this one. What people need to understand is that the Pakistani Army, through a (hat tip to the People's Liberation Army in China) &quot;corporation&quot; called the National Logistics Cell, owns the fifth (or sixth?) largest trucking company in Asia. Oh yeah: the NLC&nbsp;also controls the port of Karachi.... ie: if you want to move things by ground in Pakistan, you have to deal one way or another with the NLC...or its Pashtun 'competitors.' And just guess who that might be....<br />
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For your consideration.]]>
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    <published>2008-11-16T18:21:29Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from John of Argghhh! on 2008-11-16</title>
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        <name>John of Argghhh!</name>
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        <![CDATA[&quot;You guys.&quot;&nbsp; Heh.]]>
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    <published>2008-11-16T13:00:22Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Ymarsakar on 2008-11-16</title>
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        <name>Ymarsakar</name>
        
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        <![CDATA[Why don't you guys just do a Xenophon and supply Afghanistan from Iraq through Iran?<br />
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    <published>2008-11-16T12:32:24Z</published>
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