We're the Military and Airpower Guys of Jonah Goldberg of National Review Online + a stray we found wandering around looking lost. All original material JHD, BHD, JR, WT, and KA 2003-2010 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2008/10/okay_lets_take.html Sat, 24 Mar 2012 15:26:31 Z Movable Type 4.12 en Copyright 2012 http://www.rssboard.org/rss-specification http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2008/10/okay_lets_take.html http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2008/10/okay_lets_take.html Fri, 17 Oct 2008 09:23:15 -0600 ]]> http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2008/10/okay_lets_take.html#comment-79354 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2008/10/okay_lets_take.html#comment-79354 Sat, 18 Oct 2008 04:12:39 -0600 Burnside carbine it is.

]]> http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2008/10/okay_lets_take.html#comment-79340 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2008/10/okay_lets_take.html#comment-79340 Fri, 17 Oct 2008 22:40:49 -0600
At least early model of the Burnside carbine used a cartridge peculiar to the Burnside. It was widest where the bullet seated in the case, and tapered to about half that diameter at the far end.

Weird, but it worked, mostly.

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Pardon my poking my nose into your discussion, but I have a little information that might be interesting.

First I’ll say I’m not military, although my father did serve in the Coast Guard during WWII. My husband and I do serve as law-enforcement chaplains, and he’s a full-time sheriff’s deputy in the county due west of where this photo was taken.

Like all of y’all, when my husband saw the photo in your earlier thread, he could tell that the clip is in backward, but I confess that he had to practically use a Sharpie to outline the clip for me (I’m not a firearms expert, LOL).

Anyway, this afternoon when I saw the renewed discussion, I called the “River Cities Tribune” office and spoke to someone who told me “the rest of the story.”

The young lady pictured is a genuine Marble Falls, TX, peace officer.

The photo is genuine, not PhotoShopped. The story and photo were published in October of 2006.

The officer did insert the clip backward – but I didn’t ask how.

The officer did realize her mistake and correct it, but the photographer published the shot he took before the officer corrected her mistake.

The officer has taken more training and has remained with the department.

The “Tribune” has received multiple calls from law-enforcement agencies across the nation, requesting a copy of the article and photo to use in training sessions. The most recent call before mine was three months ago.

The “Tribune” will e-mail a copy of the article if you request it.

So now, as the great Paul Harvey might say, you know at least some of the rest of the story. I guess if you need to, you can contact MFPD to ask about any details.

Off topic:
Thank all of you so very much for your service and sacrifice to keep our country strong and free!

God bless you,
Chaplain C. Wolfe
]]> http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2008/10/okay_lets_take.html#comment-79325 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2008/10/okay_lets_take.html#comment-79325 Fri, 17 Oct 2008 17:19:11 -0600 Are bullets bigger than their casings?

Well...  I can't find it in a handy reference book just now, but I seem to recall hearing of a reverse-tapered cartridge.  Must have been for a rifle that had the chamber in the front of the breechblock, rather than the back of the barrel.
Now I'm trying to figure out how you'd make an autoloader work with such a cartridge....

]]> http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2008/10/okay_lets_take.html#comment-79324 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2008/10/okay_lets_take.html#comment-79324 Fri, 17 Oct 2008 16:40:03 -0600
Might be a derivation of the Czech AK mag developed in '88 for slipping into WarPac stores in the event their Fraternal Progressive Brothers decided to replay Prague Spring, though...
]]> http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2008/10/okay_lets_take.html#comment-79322 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2008/10/okay_lets_take.html#comment-79322 Fri, 17 Oct 2008 16:06:22 -0600 ]]> http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2008/10/okay_lets_take.html#comment-79321 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2008/10/okay_lets_take.html#comment-79321 Fri, 17 Oct 2008 16:05:15 -0600 ]]> http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2008/10/okay_lets_take.html#comment-79319 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2008/10/okay_lets_take.html#comment-79319 Fri, 17 Oct 2008 15:14:25 -0600
Mind you, our M4-clone (Bushmaster O.R.C.) is a relatively new weapon (a thousand rounds through it, but still newish) and I wasn't going to push the issue!]]> http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2008/10/okay_lets_take.html#comment-79317 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2008/10/okay_lets_take.html#comment-79317 Fri, 17 Oct 2008 14:59:58 -0600 and make it stay put for a few minutes.
Thank goodness it was dark or I'd still be living that one down.

]]> http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2008/10/okay_lets_take.html#comment-79315 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2008/10/okay_lets_take.html#comment-79315 Fri, 17 Oct 2008 14:55:43 -0600
*laughing*]]> http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2008/10/okay_lets_take.html#comment-79309 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2008/10/okay_lets_take.html#comment-79309 Fri, 17 Oct 2008 14:13:53 -0600 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2008/10/okay_lets_take.html#comment-79308 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2008/10/okay_lets_take.html#comment-79308 Fri, 17 Oct 2008 14:05:40 -0600 The only way I see this happening is as an after incident shot by a photographer that arrived late and he picked the lady cop to frame up and one of her good friendly buddies flipped the mag and handed her the weapon to take the picture with. It is very difficult to put a mag in upsidedown. Yeah, she was pumping adrenalin and any five guys can pick up a car and turn it around but how many site pointers did she have to blow to jam that in like that. Recoil would be interesting to watch. I wonder how many items would bounce out of her pockets. http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2008/10/okay_lets_take.html#comment-79304 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2008/10/okay_lets_take.html#comment-79304 Fri, 17 Oct 2008 13:33:35 -0600 Is there a possibility that maybe there is a "reverse" banana magazine available on the market?

Are bullets bigger than their casings?

Nope, she's got that slam-jammed in tight, and that takes a *lot* of doing. Which leads me to believe she's not had much experience with a magazine-fed rifle.

]]> http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2008/10/okay_lets_take.html#comment-79301 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2008/10/okay_lets_take.html#comment-79301 Fri, 17 Oct 2008 13:11:41 -0600
And what's worse is that somewhere there's an empty kitchen. ]]> http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2008/10/okay_lets_take.html#comment-79297 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2008/10/okay_lets_take.html#comment-79297 Fri, 17 Oct 2008 11:59:45 -0600
9.  I think they caught her in the upswing of bringing the weapon to bear.  Her hips, shoulders, elbow, and wrist are all out of alignment.

Still doesn't excuse the magazine for being inserted backwards.  Is there a possibility that maybe there is a "reverse" banana magazine available on the market?  I know, dumb question, but what if that was the answer???]]> http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2008/10/okay_lets_take.html#comment-79286 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2008/10/okay_lets_take.html#comment-79286 Fri, 17 Oct 2008 10:46:46 -0600
2.  The magazine is clearly inserted incorrectly.  

3.  The tilt of the cropping of the photo still leads the eye astray.  

4.  She has an unnatural "break" to her right wrist.  Maybe because the butt stock isn't fully deployed and she has to compensate for the shortness of the carbine.

5.  I still don't think she has the carbine seated correctly at her shoulder.  Possibly interference from her vest.

6.  She's definitely not squared off or correctly bladed.  Something about her posture is still awkward... maybe I'm not just catching that because the photo angle is throwing me off.

7.  Her right finger is indexed and she is using her right eye to sight...]]> http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2008/10/okay_lets_take.html#comment-79285 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2008/10/okay_lets_take.html#comment-79285 Fri, 17 Oct 2008 10:33:10 -0600