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Okay, let's take a closer look.


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I slapped it into Photoshop to try and make things a little clearer.  There wasn't a lot to work with, this is as good as it gets at my skill level.  I don't have that image processing software that CSI has...

Looks to me like the shadow of the magazine lines up with the shadow of the magazine well, suggesting that this magazine isn't clipped to another, as Cannonshop suggested.

Yet, something *no one* brought up yesterday, but I proved to myself last night - you can't insert a magazine backwards - not and make it stay - unless you *really* jam it in there.  As in hard enough to gouge the aluminum of the magazine well and probably distorting the magazine.

Heh.  An unintended "Whatzis!"

I suppose I should contact the PD in question and just ask, eh?  Anybody down in the Austin-area of Texas wanna go find the officer and ask her?

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 1.  It's not a standard "AR-15" either.  Look at the shortened, rounded hand guard/grip.  Plus, you can see that it's the M-4 style butt stock.  You can clearly see, just above her right wrist, daylight from the other side, where there should be a black butt stock if it we're an M-16/Ar-15.

2.  The magazine is clearly inserted incorrectly.  

3.  The tilt of the cropping of the photo still leads the eye astray.  

4.  She has an unnatural "break" to her right wrist.  Maybe because the butt stock isn't fully deployed and she has to compensate for the shortness of the carbine.

5.  I still don't think she has the carbine seated correctly at her shoulder.  Possibly interference from her vest.

6.  She's definitely not squared off or correctly bladed.  Something about her posture is still awkward... maybe I'm not just catching that because the photo angle is throwing me off.

7.  Her right finger is indexed and she is using her right eye to sight...
 
 8.  I think we would definitely be able to see the other magazine if there were two "Rambo'd" together.

9.  I think they caught her in the upswing of bringing the weapon to bear.  Her hips, shoulders, elbow, and wrist are all out of alignment.

Still doesn't excuse the magazine for being inserted backwards.  Is there a possibility that maybe there is a "reverse" banana magazine available on the market?  I know, dumb question, but what if that was the answer???
 
Greetings:

And what's worse is that somewhere there's an empty kitchen. 
 
Is there a possibility that maybe there is a "reverse" banana magazine available on the market?

Are bullets bigger than their casings?

Nope, she's got that slam-jammed in tight, and that takes a *lot* of doing. Which leads me to believe she's not had much experience with a magazine-fed rifle.

 
The only way I see this happening is as an after incident shot by a photographer that arrived late and he picked the lady cop to frame up and one of her good friendly buddies flipped the mag and handed her the weapon to take the picture with. It is very difficult to put a mag in upsidedown. Yeah, she was pumping adrenalin and any five guys can pick up a car and turn it around but how many site pointers did she have to blow to jam that in like that. Recoil would be interesting to watch. I wonder how many items would bounce out of her pockets.
 
The magazine is correct.  This weapon is a 15-AR.
 
OOHHH  you mean the Polish made 51-RA, right?  Then there is a problem, because she's holding it backwards.

*laughing*
 
I specifically remember jamming a standard 30-rd mag into an M16A2 backwards. In my defense, I was an E-3, it was dark, and it was the second time I'd handled the weapon in my life. But, the point is, I did manage to jam the mag in backwards and make it stay put for a few minutes.
Thank goodness it was dark or I'd still be living that one down.

 
Based on my experiments last night, SgtF, you had to really *work* at it.

Mind you, our M4-clone (Bushmaster O.R.C.) is a relatively new weapon (a thousand rounds through it, but still newish) and I wasn't going to push the issue!
 
perhaps it's the long-rumored, never photographed Belgian Banana clip, designed for the AR 15-6 (forward spring tension providing the competive edge that brought the Belgian Crapshooter such reknown).
 
If memory serves me well, the Mil-Spec'd 5.56mm Mag. has four aluminum welds along both spines.  If the top ones happen to pop, as they are prone to do with aluminum, isn't  it possible for the catch to conform to a Bass-ackward alignement?
 
I doubt it's the Belgian Banana Clip -- no nooks and crannies to keep the syrup from running off and there's no way you could get a scoop of ice cream to stay put.

Might be a derivation of the Czech AK mag developed in '88 for slipping into WarPac stores in the event their Fraternal Progressive Brothers decided to replay Prague Spring, though...
 
Are bullets bigger than their casings?

Well...  I can't find it in a handy reference book just now, but I seem to recall hearing of a reverse-tapered cartridge.  Must have been for a rifle that had the chamber in the front of the breechblock, rather than the back of the barrel.
Now I'm trying to figure out how you'd make an autoloader work with such a cartridge....

 
Good afternoon!

Pardon my poking my nose into your discussion, but I have a little information that might be interesting.

First I’ll say I’m not military, although my father did serve in the Coast Guard during WWII. My husband and I do serve as law-enforcement chaplains, and he’s a full-time sheriff’s deputy in the county due west of where this photo was taken.

Like all of y’all, when my husband saw the photo in your earlier thread, he could tell that the clip is in backward, but I confess that he had to practically use a Sharpie to outline the clip for me (I’m not a firearms expert, LOL).

Anyway, this afternoon when I saw the renewed discussion, I called the “River Cities Tribune” office and spoke to someone who told me “the rest of the story.”

The young lady pictured is a genuine Marble Falls, TX, peace officer.

The photo is genuine, not PhotoShopped. The story and photo were published in October of 2006.

The officer did insert the clip backward – but I didn’t ask how.

The officer did realize her mistake and correct it, but the photographer published the shot he took before the officer corrected her mistake.

The officer has taken more training and has remained with the department.

The “Tribune” has received multiple calls from law-enforcement agencies across the nation, requesting a copy of the article and photo to use in training sessions. The most recent call before mine was three months ago.

The “Tribune” will e-mail a copy of the article if you request it.

So now, as the great Paul Harvey might say, you know at least some of the rest of the story. I guess if you need to, you can contact MFPD to ask about any details.

Off topic:
Thank all of you so very much for your service and sacrifice to keep our country strong and free!

God bless you,
Chaplain C. Wolfe
 
Well that sure claries a lot.
 
 "I can't find it in a handy reference book just now, but I seem to recall hearing of a reverse-tapered cartridge."

At least early model of the Burnside carbine used a cartridge peculiar to the Burnside. It was widest where the bullet seated in the case, and tapered to about half that diameter at the far end.

Weird, but it worked, mostly.

   
Well...damn, there goes a perfectly good hypothesis.  At least she realized her mistake and fixed it, though the image should haunt her for a long time as a reminder of the need to pay attention to her training.