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  <title>Comments for Tired tractors posing as tanks...</title>
  <subtitle>We&apos;re the Military and Airpower Guys of Jonah Goldberg of National Review Online + a stray we found wandering around looking lost.  All original material JHD, BHD, JR, WT,  and KA 2003-2010</subtitle>
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    <published>2008-09-27T14:11:09Z</published>
    <updated>2008-09-27T16:06:31Z</updated>
    <title>Tired tractors posing as tanks...</title>
    <summary><![CDATA[Time to finish up this thread - click here to catch up.

Here's another shot of the vehicle in question.&nbsp; It is located &quot;somewhere in Russia the former Soviet Union&quot; most likely near Odessa.



I don't exactly know what the vehicle is, in terms of an exact nomenclature - but I believe Casey had it mostly right, in that it is a &quot;Na Ispug&quot; or &quot;Terror Tank&quot; of the types built in Kharkov, Stalingrad, and Odessa during 1941-42.&nbsp; 1IDVet was going in the right direction with his mention of the Disston Tractor Tank, while Casey specifically mentioned the Kharkov KhTZ-16,.&nbsp;Those vehicles were built on the chassis of the STZ-5 artillery&nbsp; tractors, whereas this specific example is not.&nbsp; There is a KhTZ-16 in a Russian military museum in Kiev.&nbsp; Eagle 1, Spanky, and Argent did what makes these posts fun.&nbsp; RetResMike was just insulting [pout].]]></summary>
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      <name>The Armorer</name>
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    <category term="Gun Pr0n - A Naughty Expose&apos; of the fiddly bits" />
    
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      <![CDATA[Time to finish up this thread - <a href="http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2008/09/the_satellite_i.html">click here to catch up</a>.<br />
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Here's another shot of the vehicle in question.&nbsp; It is located &quot;somewhere in <strike>Russia</strike> the former Soviet Union&quot; most likely near Odessa.<br />
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<img alt="An example of a possible 'Na Ispug' or 'Terror Tank' built in Odessa during the siege.  It is also quite possibly a reproduction built for a movie filmed in 1971." src="http://www.fototime.com/30F09D2FD11AA1A/orig.jpg" /><br />
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I don't exactly know what the vehicle is, in terms of an exact nomenclature - but I believe Casey had it mostly right, in that it is a &quot;Na Ispug&quot; or &quot;Terror Tank&quot; of the types built in Kharkov, Stalingrad, and Odessa during 1941-42.&nbsp; 1IDVet was going in the right direction with his mention of the <a href="http://mailer.fsu.edu/~akirk/tanks/afghanistan/Afg-DissonTractorTank-SU76.jpg">Disston Tractor Tank</a>, while Casey specifically mentioned the <em><a href="http://www.armchairgeneral.com/rkkaww2/galleries/Armored_Tractors.htm">Kharkov KhTZ-16,</a>.&nbsp;T</em>hose vehicles were built on the chassis of the STZ-5 artillery&nbsp; tractors, whereas this specific example is not.&nbsp; There is a <a href="http://xenophon-mil.org/ukraine/kiev/arm34s.htm">KhTZ-16 in a Russian military museum in Kiev</a>.&nbsp; Eagle 1, Spanky, and Argent did what makes these posts fun.&nbsp; RetResMike was just insulting [pout].<br />
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Not a lot of info around there, but I think you guys were also hitting close to the mark when you mentioned it might be a movie tank - it may well be a reproduction &quot;Na Ispug&quot; made for a movie (see last link, above) which would explain the non-useful mounting of the main gun, it seemingly having no provision for elevation.&nbsp; <br />
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Anyway - necessity is the mother of invention - and it happened here, too, <a href="http://www.fototime.com/47FEDF7C3765740/orig.jpg">though unlike the Soviets</a>, none of our armored tractors ever saw actual service.&nbsp; Having driven a regular farm tractor over rough terrain, I can only say - Thank Heaven!&nbsp; I can't imagine&nbsp;too many&nbsp;more uncomfortable ways to waddle into battle and die quickly to no purpose other than using up some of the other guy's ammo.<br />
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In the US, <a href="http://www.fototime.com/86F0751B7581A2C/orig.jpg">Case built at least one version of an armored tractor</a>, though in this case the armor was just to protect the operator, and not intended to turn the tractor into an armored fighting vehicle.&nbsp;&nbsp; John Deere, on the other hand, had a couple of models of <a href="http://www.fototime.com/D1EF6AB7D8AC4C3/orig.jpg">machine-gun toting tractors</a>.<br />
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So, having offered you some more obscure military trivia for your kit bags, I'll close this out with a nice portrait of a couple of the Deere company's products.<br />
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<img alt="Two versions of the John Deere &quot;AS&quot; armored tractor, from the May, 1940, John Deere Company catalog." src="http://www.fototime.com/487A5C9430F066D/orig.jpg" /><br />
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Mind you - <a href="http://www.daylife.com/photo/0gu9ctpeez9gu">John Deere products are still being used as the basis for armored tractors</a>, if <a href="http://www.worldtribune.com/worldtribune/WTARC/2008/me_tech0365_07_25.asp">more along the lines of that Case tractor </a>up above.]]>
      
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    <id>tag:www.thedonovan.com,2008://1.9809-comment:78670</id>
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    <title>Comment from Eagle1 on 2008-09-29</title>
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        <![CDATA[When I was a kid in Nebraska we could have used some armored tractors during pheasant season...<br />]]>
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    <published>2008-09-29T14:39:39Z</published>
    <updated>2008-09-29T14:39:39Z</updated>
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    <title>Comment from Casey on 2008-09-27</title>
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        <![CDATA[What, are you still fussing over that NLOS crack? <br />
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Heh...<br />
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P.S. I'm thinking that John Deere might be taking that <a href="http://www.cowswithguns.com/cowmovie.html" rel="nofollow">Cows with guns</a> video a tad too seriously.]]>
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    <published>2008-09-28T04:39:58Z</published>
    <updated>2008-09-28T04:39:58Z</updated>
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    <title>Comment from Argent on 2008-09-27</title>
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        <![CDATA[You know those john deere minatures are rather popular with country folk out here.<br />]]>
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    <published>2008-09-27T17:11:56Z</published>
    <updated>2008-09-27T17:11:56Z</updated>
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    <title>Comment from Heartless Libertarian on 2008-09-27</title>
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        <name>Heartless Libertarian</name>
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        <![CDATA[John, you're showing your Cold War-era geography.<br />
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Odessa and Kiev are both in the Ukraine.<br />]]>
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    <published>2008-09-27T15:29:22Z</published>
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