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H&I Fires* 14 AUG 2008

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Now, here's a fun vehicle to run across while out driving in the back of beyond...  with a "driving school" placard, no less!

German driver's training version of the Wiesel scout vehicle.

The Armorer wouldn't mind having one of these out at the Castle...

Speaking of military traffic on the roads... sometimes rush hour gets a bit hectic...

An F/A-18F Super Hornet assigned to Strike Fighter Squadron 102 launches from the aircraft carrier USS Kitty Hawk for the last time in Pacific Ocean, Aug 6, 2008. Carrier Air Wing 5 aircraft flew off Kitty Hawk to join the nuclear-powered aircraft carrier USS George Washington in San Diego. In September, George Washington will replace Kitty Hawk as the Navy's only carrier operating from Japan. U.S. Navy photo by Petty Officer 3rd Class Kyle D. Gahlau
An F/A-18F Super Hornet assigned to Strike Fighter Squadron 102 launches from the aircraft carrier USS Kitty Hawk for the last time in Pacific Ocean, Aug 6, 2008. Carrier Air Wing 5 aircraft flew off Kitty Hawk to join the nuclear-powered aircraft carrier USS George Washington in San Diego. In September, George Washington will replace Kitty Hawk as the Navy's only carrier operating from Japan. U.S. Navy photo by Petty Officer 3rd Class Kyle D. Gahlau
-the Armorer
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I understand where American Airlines is coming from - but this issue is being handled clumsily by both the airline and the DoD.
American Airlines is charging troops for their extra baggage, a practice that forces soldiers heading for a war zone in Iraq to try to get reimbursement from the military. One of the country's largest veterans groups is asking the aviation industry to drop the practice immediately.

American, which recently charged two soldiers from Texas $100 and $300 for their extra duffel bags, said it gives the military a break on the cost for excess luggage and that the soldiers who incur the fees are reimbursed.

"Because the soldiers don't pay a dime, our waiver of the fees amounts to a discount to the military, not a discount to soldiers," said Tim Wagner, spokesman for American Airlines. "Soldiers should not have to pay a penny of it."
As always - you should click the link and read the whole thing.  H/t, Kevin.  -the Armorer
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Murray confesses to a crime...  and perhaps more disturbingly, is on television, talking about witchcraft...  (link is video from New Zealand, takes a while to get it to wend it's way through all that stuff coming from the Olympics...)  -the Armorer
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*A term of art from the artillery. Harassment and Interdiction Fires. Back in the day, when you could just kill people and break things without a note from a lawyer, they were pre-planned, but to the enemy, random, fires at known gathering points, road junctions, Main Supply Routes, assembly areas, etc - to keep the bad guy nervous that the world around him might start exploding at any minute. Not really relevant to today's operating environment, right? But, it *is. The UAVs we fly over Afghanistan and Pakistan looking for targets of opportunity are a form of H&I fires, if you really want to parse it finely. We just have better sensors and fire control now. Of course, now I have to call them UAS's, because someone got a Legion of Merit for the name change.Anyway, I call the post H&I Fires because it's random things posted by me and people I've given posting privileges to that particular topic. Another term of art that might be appropriate is Free Fire Zone.<br />

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So maybe the Dod orders should include some form of coupon which the airlines can use to get payment, or something.  I hate the idea that our guys and gals are being hit up for this kind of expense. 
 
Barb - pretty much my thoughts exactly.
 
I'm just taking a SWAG....but I'll bet that Kraut driver's training vehicle was photographer at Baumholder.

Saw those frequently when I was stationed there in the late 90s.
 
American...said it gives the military a break on the cost for excess luggage and that the soldiers who incur the fees are reimbursed.

Not unless there's a paragraph on their orders stating explicitly that excess baggage is authorized. If it's not there, they have to request amended orders after the fact, then wait for those orders to be cut and distributed before they can apply for reimbursement. And if they have a lazy personnel section, they may wait for six months before they get reimbursed.

 
BillT:  also apply the Reservist Fudge Factor to that process, and you can see how I managed to retire without ever recouping my excess baggage fee from my return trip home, much less my per diem for the entirety of OIF I.
 
And if that paragraph isn't there, I know of servicemembers who aren't being reimbursed at all because Personnel is claiming that they won't amend orders. DoD needs to get it's poop in one sock and address this situation - quickly.

When we moved from Campbell to here, we did so with 10 bags - 2 suitcases each plus 2 of MacGyver's flight bags - in addition to car seats, carry ons, and personal items (diaper bag, laptop, etc.). To do that now would cost us hundreds of dollars out of pocket that I could never be sure we'd get back. OUCH.
 
I think this baggage matter is a military admin issue, and not reasonably the fault of the airlines.  Actually the frequency I see these bad admin type issues reported in milblogs suggests your admin system needs a good kick.

You guys have very generous baggage allowances in the first place if the article is correct.
 
I think this baggage matter is a military admin issue, and not reasonably the fault of the airlines.

It's always been a military admin issue, but now it's compounded by the airlines changing the rules in mid-game. When I went to Pakistan, I had two (full) flight bags, two (full) helmet bags (carry-on) and a laptop 'puter bag for a 90-day training gig. On the return trip, I had less luggage because I'd transferred one packed flight bag and both helmet bags (one with helmet) to the Pak squadron I was working with -- and got banged with a hundred buck overweight charge because the carrier had reduced the luggage weight authorization.

For my current sojourn, we were told at CRC that our baggage allowance covered two sixty-pound dufflebags and two carry-ons. Next day, I got banged for an overweight charge because my two sixty-pound dufflebags exceeded the weight limitation by twenty pounds -- the new limit had been instituted that morning, with no previous announcement.

I expensed both times, and both times my company reimbursed without a peep, because I'd asked to have the excess baggage authorization paragraph inserted on my travel orders *before* they were issued...


 
RRMike -- They effed-up big time - they're not authorized to retire you if you have outstanding pay issues. If you're feeling rambunctious, you can make someone's life very annoying by registering a complaint with the USAR IG office.

Everything the Army does for / to a Soldier is optional, except for two things -- they've gotta feed you and they've gotta pay you.
 
Argent - I agree, as I said, I can see American Airline's position on this. And I agree that our administrative structure is sometimes seemingly blindingly oblivious to the fact there's a war on. The fact that seven years in, it's still not fixed in some areas (such as reserve pay) does not speak well. There have been improvements. At least they are egalitarian about it. When General Schoomaker was recalled from retirement to be Chief of Staff, Army, the screwed his pay up, too. This is an example of bureaucratic inertia. The airlines, reacting to market pressure, change their rules - as is their right - and the government is slow to catch up. And resists the change. And will finally implement a solution. But the people between the rule change and the solution will be playing catch up - in a system that is designed to be resistant.
 
What's the point of having a fleet of C-5 Starfrogs if you're just going to use commercial?  (I know, they're not fun.  Web seats suck.  It's cold.  It's loud.  It's very uncomfortable. And, good Lord, trying to move a family that way would be impossible.)  ;)
 
The Favorite Naval Consort & I discussed this one.  My point was that AA had bad PR people and shot themselves in the foot when trying to explain.  His take was that those going over get briefed and are told repeatedly that this will happen and to be ready and they get it back.  Bottom line - no sympathy from me for AA and no sympathy for him for anyone caught with their BDUs down.
 

Sorry, Maggs - I think the military should be more adaptable.  And getting timely reimbursement while inside the box is very dependent on where you go and what kind of relationship your unit has with the infrastructure - and your relationship with the unit to which you are assigned (thinking individual augmentees here.).  And your rank.  I now how to make bureaucrats in uniform do what needs doing.  Young soldiers don't.  Nor, oft times, do their Sergeants.

Of course, your attitude is shared by middle-to-senior leadership, which is a part of the problem.

CBT - we use commercial carriers to move troops because it frees up the cargo lifters to lift cargo - and is cheaper, as well.  Military aircraft operation costs exceed commercial air.  The strat airlifting fleet is fully taxed supporting the war.

 
The thing is that not everyone is getting it back. The airlines could have given the DoD a heads' up on the change BEFORE it happened and the DoD could have reacted with something other than a snail's pace when it came to adjusting (I know. Wishful thinking).

As it stands right now, the airlines don't care - they just want to clear their bottom line (and rightfully so) and the DoD doesn't care because it's the servicemember and their family bearing the brunt of the expense.