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    <summary>Swiss national and Castle Agent Provocateur Valküre reports in from Germany, on the German press&apos; coverage...From a German website that tracks TV ratings, comes this:

&quot;Obama Speech leaves TV viewers cold

Those not in the know could have thought aliens had landed based on the non-stop, hours-long live media coverage. But it was just a US Senator. In spite of - or because of - the media hype sourrounding Barack Obama only few viewers, particularly younger ones, were interested. Ratings for the First and Second networks showed only 0,35 million viewers each among the 14-49 age group, way below the network average.&quot;

Valküre added, &quot;You&apos;ll notice later in the article that both CSI (2,03 mio) and a local soap called &quot;Good times, bad times&quot; (1,90 mio) had more viewers among the 14-49 age group by a factor of several times. 

The Obama coverage ran on a total of 13 network and cable channels making the overall totals higher, of course. And the ratings among other age groups were also higher. But according to this article, all in all the ratings were &quot;nothing near enough to justify the gigantic hype&quot;.&quot;

Perhaps more interesting, however were these comments, from the english language Deustche Welle, themselves quoting the Financial Times Deutschland, followed by the left-wing die tageszeitung: </summary>
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      <![CDATA[<p>Like <a href="http://www.blackfive.net/main/2008/07/more-witness-em.html">Blackfive</a> and <a href="http://confederateyankee.mu.nu/archives/269207.php">Confederate Yankee</a>, and by now many of you, I got the emails from guys who are &quot;over there.&quot;<br /><br />And while these are single-straw views of a much larger whole, and anecdotal, they deserve a hearing, too.&nbsp; We'll happily accept inputs from deployed personnel who were happy and impressed by Senator Obama, too.&nbsp; <span style="color: rgb(255, 0, 0);"><strong>[Update</strong></span>: As when listening to any partisan talk radio, anything that starts with &quot;I'm a conservative/liberal, but....&quot;&nbsp; so too emails that start &quot;...I'm not a very political person&quot; need to be taken with a grain of salt.&nbsp; Such is possibly the case with the email below - as related to me in an email from the Bagram press center, featuring official spokesman LTC Nielson-Green, as well as noted by Skippy-san in the comments: &nbsp;&quot;These comments are inappropriate and factually incorrect.&quot;&nbsp;&nbsp; <a href="http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2008/07/24/2008-07-24_army_officials_refute_claim_of_barack_ob.html">The NY&nbsp;Daily News&nbsp;has more</a>.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Remember boys and girls - <em>the rules are different if you are wearing a uniform or using a government-provided computer</em>.&nbsp; And equipment provided by your civilian employer probably comes with similar rules.<br /><br /><span style="color: rgb(255, 0, 0);">Updated Update</span> from <a href="http://confederateyankee.mu.nu/archives/269298.php">Confederate Yankee</a>&nbsp;(excerpted from the post - go read the whole thing): <br /><br />&nbsp;</p><p><i>Meek's article provides another much needed perspective to the story of Obama's visit to Bagram, and makes what I think is a fair case that the officer who wrote the Bagram email was basing his email on <em>his</em> limited first-person perception of events, and that he wrote his post without the benefit of knowing all the facts.</i></p><p><i>It is vitally important for us to know that Barack Obama didn't play basketball in Afghanistan, nor did he visit a specific tent. We should be grateful that Meek ferreted out the truth and debunked those scurrilous allegations.</i></p><p><i>But LTC Nielson-Green's refutation of these two rather minor specific points does not at all address the most important allegation made in the viral email, the author's perception that soldiers on base were &quot;blown off&quot; by the junior Senator. </i></p><p><i>In fact, the PAO <em>admits</em> that Obama only met with selected soldiers. Only servicepersons from Illinois were invited to meet him, and soldiers not from Illinois (the author of the email is from Utah) were indeed not met by the junior Senator. Though no doubt a touchy situation for the military, the key premise holds.</i></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><br />Here's the email being talked about: <br />&nbsp;</p><blockquote><p>Hello everyone,<br /><br />As you know I am not a very political person. I just wanted to pass along that Senator Obama came to Bagram Afghanistan for about an hour on his visit to &quot;The War Zone&quot;. I wanted to share with you what happened. He got off the plan[sic] and got into a bullet proof vehicle, got to the area to meet with the Major General (2 Star) who is the commander here at Bagram. As the Soldiers where lined up to shake his hand he blew them off and didn't say a word as he went into the conference room to meet the General. As he finished, the vehicles took him to the ClamShell (pretty much a big top tent that military personnel can play basketball or work out in with weights) so he could take his publicity pictures playing basketball. He again shunned the opportunity to talk to Soldiers to thank them for their service. So really he was just here to make a showing for the American's back home that he is their candidate for President. I think that if you are going to make an effort to come all the way over here you would thank those that are providing the freedom that they are providing for you. I swear we got more thanks from the NBA Basketball Players or the Dallas Cowboy Cheerleaders than from one of the Senators, who wants to be the President of the United States. I just don't understand how anyone would want him to be our Commander-and-Chief. It was almost that he was scared to be around those that provide the freedom for him and our great country.<br /><br />If this is blunt and to the point I am sorry but I wanted you all to know what kind of caliber of person he really is. What you see in the news is all fake.<br />&nbsp;</p></blockquote><p>Clearly our young officer here is at least more political this day than perhaps he is others - but, he has a very real stake in the outcome of this election, in ways many of the rest of us do not, except as an issue of pocketbooks and high blood pressure (regardless of which side of the fence your recliner resides on). [And too bad he's damaged his message&nbsp;by exaggeration or&nbsp;ignorance if the official response is any&nbsp;indicator]&nbsp; Now from Iraq [<span style="color: rgb(255, 0, 0);">Update</span>: Several of us bloggers are trying to get some feedback from PAO channels in Iraq]:</p><blockquote><br /><p>I had a first hand view of Barrack Obama's &quot;fact finding&quot; mission, when he passed through this base.</p><p>While I can't name it, it's one of the largest air bases in the region, with up to 8000 troops (depending on influxes and transients in mobilization/demobilization status), mostly Airmen and Soldiers, but some Marines, Sailors, Koreans, Japanese, Aussies, Brits, US Civil Service, contractors including KBR, Blackwater and Halliburton, among others in the news. The overwhelming majority of all of these are professional, courteous and disciplined.<br /><br />Problems are rare.<br /><br />Casualties are also rare. This base has a large hospital for evacuation--twenty plus beds. I have yet to see a casualty in one, though I am told there are about three evacuations a week through this region, of which two on average are things like sports injuries, vehicle accidents or duty related falls and such. You can tell from the news that the war is going well. The ghouls are now focusing on Afghanistan, since there is no blood to type with here.<br /><br />This oped is of course subjective and limited, but I will try to present the facts as I saw them. I wasn't able to see much, which makes a point all by itself.<br /><br />When his plane arrived (also containing Senators Reed and Hagel, but the news has hardly mentioned them), there was a &quot;ramp freeze.&quot; This means if you are on the flight line, and not directly involved with the event in question, you stay where you are and don't move. For a combat flight arriving or departing, this takes about ten minutes, and involves the active runway and crossing taxiways only. For Obama's flight, this took 90 minutes, during which time a variety of military missions came grinding to a halt. Obviously, this visit was important, right?<br /><br />95% of base wanted nothing to do with him. I have met three troops who support him, and literally hundreds who regard him as a buffoon, a charlatan, a hindrance to their mission or a flat out enemy of progress. Even when the rumors were publicly admitted, almost no one left their duty sections to try to see him, unless they were officers whose presence was officially required.<br /><br />Mister Obama's motorcade drove up from the flight line and entered the dining hall toward the end of lunch time. Diners were chased out and told to make other arrangements for food, in the middle of the duty day.<br /><br />Now, there are close to 8000 troops on the base and its nearby satellites. No one came up from the Army side (except perhaps a few ranking officers). The airbase resumed operation, once he cleared the flightline, as if nothing had happened. The dining hall holds about 300 people and was not full. The troops did not want to meet him and the feeling was apparently mutual. In attendance, besides the Official Entourage, were the base's senior officers, some support personnel, and a very few carefully vetted supporters who'd made special arrangements. No photos were allowed. No question and answer with the troops. No real acknowledgment that the troops existed.<br /><br />Obama left around 1530, during the Muslim Call to Prayer, so he's not a practicing Muslim. He was in a convoy guarded by (so I'm told) both State Department and Secret Service Personnel.<br /><br />Less than three hours...<br /><br />Within 48 hours he was in Afghanistan. It takes most troops longer than that to in-process and get cleared on safety, threats, policies and such. Yet he somehow made a strategic summary by not talking to anyone and not seeing anything.<br /><br />Twenty-four hours after that, he was in Kuwait, back here, and then home, so fast we didn't even know he arrived the second time at this base.<br /><br />I can't imagine any officer of the few he met told him anything other than what they tell the troops, and what their own leadership at the Pentagon tell them--we're winning. Our troops are stomping the guts out of the insurgency. The surge worked and is working. If the insurgents have to divert to Afghanistan, it means they can't fight in Iraq anymore. We should not change the rules and retreat with the enemy on the ropes as we did in Vietnam. We should finish kicking their teeth in. The Iraqi government now controls 10 of 18 provinces, with US assistance in the rest. Let us win the war. 90% of the troops I know, even those opposed to the war, say that is the way to win. Victory comes from winning, not from &quot;change.&quot; In fact, the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs is on record as opposing Obama's strategic theory.<br /><br />Since he obviously knew in advance that's what they'd tell him, and since he didn't care to talk to the troops (we're told by the Left that the troops are horrified, shocked, forced to commit atrocities with tears in their eyes, distraught, burned out, fed up with losing, etc) and find out how they feel, and was barely in country long enough to need a shower and a change of clothes, we can only call this for what it is.<br /><br />A disgraceful PR stunt, using the troops as a platform for his ego and campaign.<br /><br />In comparison, I've seen four star generals and the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff on this base. They each held an all ranks call, met with and briefed the personnel, and took questions on every subject from tour length to uniform design to rules of engagement to weapon choice to long term policy, from the newest airmen to the senior NCO with TEN 120-180 day tours since Sep 11. It's very clear they want to know what the troops think, and to keep them informed of events. It's equally clear mister Obama does not.<br /><br />From here we must move to my op part of the oped.<br /><br />Obama clearly doesn't care about the troops, doesn't care about America, doesn't care about anything except hearing his own voice and the chance to sit at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue...From where he'll bring us the proven Democratic wartime leadership of Bosnia and the Balkans (US forces still there), Somalia (US forces prevailed despite being ill equipped by executive order, and taking heavy casualties), Haiti (what were we doing there again?), Desert One (oops?), Vietnam (where we snatched defeat from the jaws of victory), Korea (still there), WWI, and the fluke success of WWII won by such wonderful liberal notions as concentration camps for Japanese Americans, nukes, FBI investigations of waitresses who dated soldiers in case they were &quot;morally corrupt&quot; and the (valid) occupation of and continued presence in Italy, Japan and Germany for 60 years, which they are conveniently pretending won't happen with Iraq.<br /><br />That's not &quot;change.&quot; That's &quot;failure we can do without.&quot;<br /><br />&nbsp;</p></blockquote><p>Swiss national and Castle Agent Provocateur Valk&uuml;re reports in from Germany, on the German press' coverage...From <a href="http://meedia.de/menu/home/details/article/obama-rede-laesst-tv-zuschauer-kalt/23/">a German website that tracks TV ratings</a>, comes this:<br /><em><br /><b>&quot;Obama Speech leaves TV viewers cold</b> <br /><br />Those not in the know could have thought aliens had landed based on the non-stop, hours-long live media coverage. But it was just a US Senator. In spite of - or because of - the media hype sourrounding Barack Obama only few viewers, particularly younger ones, were interested. Ratings for the First and Second networks showed only 0,35 million viewers each among the 14-49 age group, way below the network average.&quot;</em>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;Valk&uuml;re added, &quot;You'll notice later in the article that both CSI (2,03 mio) and a local soap called &quot;Good times, bad times&quot; (1,90 mio) had more viewers among the 14-49 age group by a factor of&nbsp;several times.&nbsp;</p><div>The Obama coverage ran on a total of 13 network and cable channels making the overall totals higher, of course. And the&nbsp;ratings among other&nbsp;age groups were also higher.&nbsp;But according to this article, all in all the ratings were &quot;nothing near enough to justify the gigantic hype&quot;.&quot;<br /><br />Perhaps more interesting, however were these comments, from the english language&nbsp;<a href="http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,2144,3511159,00.html">Deustche Welle</a>, themselves quoting the <em>Financial Times Deutschland</em>, followed by the left-wing <em>die tageszeitung</em>: <br /><br /><blockquote><p>The <strong>Financial Times Deutschland </strong>gave a more sober assessment. &quot;Obama's speech was an advertisement for the struggle against terrorism,&quot; it wrote. &quot;He called upon the spirit of the Berlin air lift and used this to demand Germany's solidarity. <strong><font color="#cc0000">The federal government now finally knows that he will expect more participation in Afghanistan. The United States doesn't accept that they have to be worn down in the fight against the Taliban while the Germans play the role of friendly reconstruction worker. While the government already knows what to expect, the voters of the large political parties will soon experience a rude awakening when they see that Obama's new America pursues the old goals.&quot; </font></strong></p><p>And the left-wing Berlin daily <strong>die tageszeitung</strong>, which had a picture of Obama as a superhero with the headline &quot;Come off it!&quot; on its Thursday cover, was glad that the American guest had become more human. &quot;Did Obama become more mundane after his speech? Yes, and that's a good thing,&quot; it wrote. &quot;One the one hand, his rhetorical weaknesses became apparent. His hymn to the brave frontier city Berlin connected with Kennedy and Reagan. But the 'light and darkness' metaphor, which excites so many in the US, seemed strangely borrowed here -- as if he were calling on a bright past that isn't his own yet. His rhetoric was much more powerful wherever he painted the dangers of globalization in dark colors in order to let the central message shine even brighter: More cooperation is not only desirable, but necessary -- especially as far as climate protection is concerned. That's something only few in the US, but many in Germany like to hear.&quot;<br />&nbsp;</p></blockquote><p>So, there you have it - a little gemischt salat, a <span class="me" minmax_bound="true">soup&ccedil;on of observations from Politikal Frontk&auml;mpfern on the ground, in the fray.</span></p></div>]]>
      
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    <title>Comment from Ymarsakar on 2008-07-25</title>
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        <![CDATA[<strong>&ldquo;These comments are inappropriate and factually incorrect,&rdquo; said Bagram spokesman Army Lt. Col. Rumi Nielson-Green, who added that such political commentary is barred for uniformed personnel.&quot;<br />
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</strong>It seems more and more that it is okay for Democrat political agendas to be backed by military personnel so long as they are &quot;retired&quot; and &quot;deserters&quot; or even war criminals that are being prosecuted, but all of a sudden, it's verboten for the other side.<br />
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I don't know how long a system can sustain itself via cheating and ignoring one side violating the rules about Security clearances and non-political traditions while the other side abides by normal Rules of Engagement and Geneva Conventions.<strong><br />
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Maybe for one generation, certainly not for two. Not in our day of tech progress, social change, and people becoming really greedy.<br />
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    <title>Comment from Cannoneer No. 4 on 2008-07-25</title>
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<em>Within 48 hours he was in Afghanistan.<br />
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<p><em>Twenty-four hours after that, he was in Kuwait, back here, and then home, so fast we didn't even know he arrived the second time at this base.<br />
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it's one of the largest air bases in the region, with up to 8000 troops (depending on influxes and transients in mobilization/demobilization status), mostly Airmen and Soldiers, but some Marines, Sailors, Koreans, Japanese, Aussies, Brits,<br />
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<p>Sounds like the e-mailer is in Iraq.&nbsp; Possibly Tallil.<br />
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    <title>Comment from Ymarsakar on 2008-07-25</title>
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        <![CDATA[<strong>&lt;B&gt;Obama's speech was an advertisement for the struggle against terrorism,&quot; it wrote. &quot;He called upon the spirit of the Berlin air lift and used this to demand Germany's solidarity.&lt;/b&gt;</strong><br />
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The good thing about Democrat ruthlessness is that they sure know how to guilt trip people, John.<br />]]>
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    <title>Comment from FbL on 2008-07-25</title>
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        <![CDATA[In comments <a href="http://www.blackfive.net/main/2008/07/from-gi-in-afgh.html#comments" rel="nofollow">here</a>, Blackfive is standing by the original email.&nbsp; Apparently there is some confusion of where exactly in Afghanistan the email-writer is.<br />]]>
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    <title>Comment from John of Argghhh! on 2008-07-25</title>
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        <![CDATA[Good catch, Skippy.&nbsp; I actually got email from them about 10 minutes after this posted.&nbsp; I don't know if it was coincidence or if they're actively trying to squelch things.]]>
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    <title>Comment from Skippy-san on 2008-07-25</title>
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        <![CDATA[This mornings Early Bird had a story with the Army pointing out that the facts do not support the e-mail in question and rebuking the writer for violating the Hatch Act.<br />
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&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;But angry Army brass debunked the Obama-bashing soldier&rsquo;s allegations, which went viral yesterday over the Web and on military blogs such as Blackfive.
<p>The e-mail claims Obama repeatedly shunned soldiers on his way to the Clamshell&mdash; a recreation tent&mdash; to &ldquo;take his publicity pictures playing basketball.&rdquo;</p>
<p>&ldquo;These comments are inappropriate and factually incorrect,&rdquo; said Bagram spokesman Army Lt. Col. Rumi Nielson-Green, who added that such political commentary is barred for uniformed personnel.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;</p>]]>
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