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H&I Fires* 21 July 2008

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Goin' home today... woot!

So, I've noted before during this silly season that the Presidential choices were choosing which Democrat we wanted in charge, the one in the open or the one in the closet.  Turns out, regardless of who we choose, we'll be living under the thumb of a lefty.  Of course, you live under the thumb of a lefty here, too.  H/t, CAPT H.

A sad ending to a sad story, and a sign we've still got a long ways to go in treating PTSD.  We've got to find a way to bring everybody home.  Because even when they're back in the states, they aren't always back home. 


These are the colors that fly from the Castle staffs this day. ...beside the starry banner, old Erin's flag o' green!
This is why. (Update - link fixed).  -the Armorer

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A term of art from the artillery. Harassment and Interdiction Fires. Back in the day, when you could just kill people and break things without a note from a lawyer, they were pre-planned, but to the enemy, random, fires at known gathering points, road junctions, Main Supply Routes, assembly areas, etc - to keep the bad guy nervous that the world around him might start exploding at any minute. Not really relevant to today's operating environment, right? But, it *is. The UAVs we fly over Afghanistan and Pakistan looking for targets of opportunity are a form of H&I fires, if you really want to parse it finely. We just have better sensors and fire control now. Of course, now I have to call them UAS's, because someone got a Legion of Merit for the name change.Anyway, I call the post H&I Fires because it's random things posted by me and people I've given posting privileges to that particular topic. Another term of art that might be appropriate is Free Fire Zone.

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your link to "this is why" not working.  got somethong to do w/ the 69th?
 
If this is July 21st, yup, it does.

The ultimate volunteer doesn't let a little thing like "Your military obligation's done -- go home" keep him out of the fight he signed on for...
 
I am lefthanded and I knew that about my guy.

I can't get into the link about the flags.
 
can't get to the link, but it appears to be the colors that the 11th NY recovered for them.
 
Maggie -- here's my guess as to what John intended to link.
 
John,

'tis just as glorious this year.

Jim
 
The Marines held informal debriefings and fire side chats. This is supposed to help people get their demons out before they head back home and then just go into a shell cause they don't want to appear weak or a trembler to civilians or neighbors or friends or loved ones in a civilian environment.

It might be easier for those with an intense sense of pride and self-sufficiency to talk about war, in war, rather than during peacetime or when the yare State side.
 
But those practices, I seem to remember, took awhile to get into effect. Since we were first at peace and the Army wasn't largely involved in Afghanistan due to too many mountains and not enough highways for tanks nor with a supply depot in a border nation like Kuwait.

If this Army medic joined the military after 9/11, he may have been fighting before such practices to prevent or treat PTSD became common. Peacetime armies don't tend to talk about PTSD nor are they focused on treating it.
 
Thank you Chief - always looking out for me, aren't you darling?
 
Yup. You *still* haven't shown up here, though...
 
I'll note that the 69th NY is still on the Army strength, as 1st Battalion, 69th Infantry, NYARNG.  They were federalized for WW1 as the 165th Infantry Regiment, part of the 42nd Infantry Division, and fought a famous all-hands regimental duke-out with the 167th Infantry (formerly the 4th Alabama, and also still on the Army rolls) when the two regiments were assigned to adjacent billeting areas at Camp Mills, NY in 1917.  (The 4th Alabama had been part of Laws' Alabama Brigade of the Army of Northern Virginia, as the 69th NY had been part of Meagher's Irish Brigade of the Army of the Potomac.  Evidently 52 years had not been long enough for tempers to cool.)  They fought in Europe with the 42nd in WW2, and  they are currently deployed in Afghanistan as part of the 27th Infantry Brigade Combat Team
 

With some trepidation I will pick up where Ymarsakar left off because PTSD has been mentioned on this blog and is an important health problem to solve.

 

I read about Pfc. Joseph Dwyer death on  7 July 2008 but remained silent so to think it out.

 

I think the case could have been handled better but there are still a lot of unknown facts. I will not blame anyone.

 

First, I will say that Dwyer was a compassionate man who saw combat and did his best to perform his job. He was photographed in battle and made somewhat famous around the world.
 
He certainly had a fair amount of reason to be paranoid of someone trying to kill him. And, some guys feel even less safe when they leave the military.

 

But, it now appears that his use of certain substances contributed to his mental condition.
 
In fact, the military medical persons may have not completely gotten his case diagnosed correctly. Dwyer may have had a hidden substance abuse problem that could have complicated his mental health treatments.

 

In general, when doctors discovers a substance abuse problem coupled with violence they be reluctant to use the full range of drugs available for fear of making the problem worse  (accidentally prescribing medications which could cause an overdose or increase violence).

 

I read that Dwyer inhaled Dust Off which contains Difluoroethane to make him sleep because his meds were not doing the job.

 

He complained that prescribed drugs were ineffective. They say he turned to sniffing Dust-Off computer cleaner to drug himself to sleep. Pinehurst police said abusing that aerosol contributed to his death…”

 

http://www.newsday.com/news/local/ny-lisold0706,0,814136,print.story

See: Pfc. Joseph Dwyer

 

Difluoroethane has rapid on set which cause an ether/alcohol intoxication for a short period of time. Once dependant on it he would have to use ever increasing amounts to achieve the desired affect – and which probably caused brain deterioration and possible increased his hallucinations.

 

From Googling the Dust Off abuse problem, it hard to detect and only causes death when used in fairly high dosages – although I assume the poison accumulates in the body and eventually kills.

 

Most health care practitioners will never see the acute effects of inhalant use, but not because problems do not occur.  Quite the opposite.  The most important acute health effect of inhalant abuse is death (sometimes called “sudden sniffing death“), and victims almost never reach a health care facility alive.  Death usually results from either sudden cardiac arrest, or suffocation.  The best current evidence suggests that certain inhalants, (for example, fluorocarbons, butane) “sensitize” the heart so that deadly irregular heartbeats (ventricular fibrillation) can be triggered by events which would normally be harmless.  When this occurs, the normal release of adrenaline into the bloodstream which happens after things like excitement, exertion, or fear may trigger lethal heart rhythms in users, so that sudden death occurs without any warning.”

 

http://web.archive.org/web/20060825210657/www.caresproject.org/docs/ed/drug/inhalants.htm

See: Effects of inhalants: dangerous health effects

 

http://www.snopes.com/medical/toxins/dustoff.asp

See: Dust Off death case

 

He probably should have been properly treated for that type of substance abuse and given proper medication for sleep.

 

But, its likely Dwyer, who wanted to go into law enforcement, hid his problems from his doctors. And, then both his true PTSD and his substance abuse spiraled out of control.

 

That is a bad situation because then his family must make the decision to commit him to a mental institution. This would probably have precluded Dwyer from a job in law enforcement.
 
To make things worse, most states require two to three immediate families to sign the commitment papers and other evidence which may not have been feasible.

 

http://www.armytimes.com/news/2008/07/military_suicidedwyer_070308w/

Medic in famous photo dies after PTSD struggle

 

I guess Dwyer then starting using heavily and was hardly able to care for himself until death. It’s a tragic story.

 

If any of you have any ideas on how to handle a similar case please speak up.

 

 
Late comment, I know, but next year, should you do this again, perhaps a link to Garryowen would be appropriate.  This Irish tune is the regimental march (which predates any use by US cavalry).  Finally, it was Marse Robert himself who gave them the moniker "Fighting 69".