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  <title>Comments for Having some fun, concluded.</title>
  <subtitle>We&apos;re the Military and Airpower Guys of Jonah Goldberg of National Review Online + a stray we found wandering around looking lost.  All original material JHD, BHD, JR, WT,  and KA 2003-2010</subtitle>
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    <published>2008-07-31T14:08:02Z</published>
    <updated>2008-07-31T16:49:34Z</updated>
    <title>Having some fun, concluded.</title>
    <summary><![CDATA[The inspiration for&nbsp;yesterday's post and this one&nbsp;was the bit that ran in the 25 July H&amp;I Fires post:&nbsp; &quot;Those of us of an age will remember the fielding of the M16 rifle, and the accompanying comments on it's plastic furniture... &quot;If it's Mattel, it's swell!&quot; From the truth is stranger than fiction file...&nbsp;Wired's Danger Room reports the Army is asking a toy company to develop a rifle.&quot; That's the link.&nbsp; The Army is asking a toy company to develop a rifle.&nbsp; That's why I have those two artifacts - they represent a toy&nbsp;company making weapons.&nbsp;&nbsp; As many of you correctly...]]></summary>
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      <name>The Armorer</name>
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      <![CDATA[The inspiration for&nbsp;<a href="http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2008/07/just_for_fun.html">yesterday's post </a>and this one&nbsp;was the bit that ran in the 25 July H&amp;I Fires post:&nbsp;<br />
<blockquote><div>&quot;Those of us of an age will remember the fielding of the M16 rifle, and the accompanying comments on it's plastic furniture... &quot;<a href="http://www.fototime.com/9A9B42A3C6E53AA/orig.jpg">If it's Mattel, it's swell!&quot; </a>From the truth is stranger than fiction file...&nbsp;<a href="http://blog.wired.com/defense/2008/07/set-assault-rif.html">Wired's Danger Room</a> reports the Army is asking a toy company to develop a rifle.&quot;</div>
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That's the link.&nbsp; The Army is <em>asking a toy company to develop a rifle</em>.&nbsp; That's why I have those two artifacts - they represent a toy&nbsp;company making weapons.&nbsp;&nbsp; As many of you correctly noted, <a href="http://www.fototime.com/16B085CFB5FE617/orig.jpg">one of&nbsp;the objects in question&nbsp;is a spigot mortar</a>, in this case a German <em>Granatenwerfer 16</em>, made for use in WWI.&nbsp; The &quot;pineapple shaped&quot; item to the right of it&nbsp;is one of the bombs it fired.&nbsp; The cartridge was set in the tail of the bomb, which slid over the post, which is hollow and contains a firing pin.&nbsp; The tail is robustly built, because it is in fact the barrel of the mortar.&nbsp; It operates, less the recoil spring aspect, <a href="http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2003/12/tadaaaa_piat_p0rn.html">just like a PIAT</a>, the Brit anti-tank/anti-bunker weapon of WWII.<br />
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It was made by the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bing_(company)">Bing Brothers, a very famous maker of toys</a>, especially <a href="http://johno.myiglou.com/bingsteam.html">steam trains and steam engines </a>&nbsp;made in&nbsp;Germany from the 1860's to the 1930's.<br />
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<img alt="Makers plate on the Castle's Granatenwerfer 16." src="http://www.fototime.com/50FFA631F780236/orig.jpg" /><br />
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<a href="http://www.fototime.com/16A1BAEBA3F746E/orig.jpg">The toy cannon is also a Bing product</a>. Based on what I know of the history of Bing (my interest stems from the fact I was stationed in N&uuml;rnberg in the early 80's - as an aside,&nbsp; that's where &quot;fdcol&quot; and I&nbsp;met, serving in the same battalion at Pinder Barracks.)&nbsp;looking at&nbsp;the trademark, the cannon dates from the 1924-32 era.&nbsp;The gun could date to&nbsp;at least as&nbsp;far back as&nbsp;1927, as I've seen a catalog of that date with the cannon in it.&nbsp; It's a well-made tin-type toy, in very good shape for it's age - meaning it must not have seen too much play time, sadly.&nbsp; It spends its days now sitting amiably next to its older, war-veteran brother (who came to the&nbsp;Castle &nbsp;from the estate of a WWI vet&nbsp;in Jetmore, Kansas), both silent witnesses to turbulent times.<br />
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<img alt="" src="http://www.fototime.com/7E7371219B91962/orig.jpg" /><br />
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Especially when you consider that&nbsp;the Bing family, who were Jews, ended up fleeing Germany shortly after the Nazis came to power.&nbsp; They fled to Britain, where Stephan Bing helped start the British toy train company <a href="http://www.trixtrains.com/">Trix.</a>&nbsp; In one of those ironies that make the world interesting... Trix is now owned by the German model train company <a href="http://www.maerklin.com/en/">M&auml;rklin</a>.</blockquote>]]>
      
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    <id>tag:www.thedonovan.com,2008://1.9556-comment:76123</id>
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    <title>Comment from Ymarsakar on 2008-08-01</title>
    <author>
        <name>Ymarsakar</name>
        
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        <![CDATA[The company that made the CVE you mentioned, John, was made by Kaiser *Fill in the second name industries, etc)<br />
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Don't matter where they came from or what they did, so long as they could do what needs to be done.<br />
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    <published>2008-08-01T21:42:48Z</published>
    <updated>2008-08-01T21:42:48Z</updated>
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    <id>tag:www.thedonovan.com,2008://1.9556-comment:76073</id>
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    <title>Comment from Justthisguy on 2008-08-01</title>
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        <name>Justthisguy</name>
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        Yes, and it is so sad that Rock-Ola did not get to make any of the M2 carbines. Just imagine, had they done so, all of the &quot;Yay, Rock&apos;n Roll!&quot; and &quot;Dance, mother@#$ker!&quot; jokes we could have had!
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    <published>2008-08-01T07:00:28Z</published>
    <updated>2008-08-01T07:00:28Z</updated>
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    <id>tag:www.thedonovan.com,2008://1.9556-comment:76061</id>
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    <title>Comment from The Armorer on 2008-07-31</title>
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        <name>The Armorer</name>
        
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        True - and we had a jukebox company make carbines, a farm implement company make rifles, a business calculator company made carbines, a sewing machine company made pistols... a sporting goods company made tear gas dispensers...
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    <published>2008-08-01T03:38:29Z</published>
    <updated>2008-08-01T03:38:29Z</updated>
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    <id>tag:www.thedonovan.com,2008://1.9556-comment:76057</id>
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    <title>Comment from MunDane on 2008-07-31</title>
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        <![CDATA[Hey,<br />
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America had a headlight manufacturer make machine guns...<br />]]>
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    <published>2008-08-01T01:54:40Z</published>
    <updated>2008-08-01T01:54:40Z</updated>
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    <title>Comment from RetRsvMike on 2008-07-31</title>
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        <name>RetRsvMike</name>
        
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        <![CDATA[..and the parking lot for the Marklin factory is a wonderful spot to set up an ALOC for Reforger.<br />]]>
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    <published>2008-07-31T19:48:07Z</published>
    <updated>2008-07-31T19:48:07Z</updated>
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    <id>tag:www.thedonovan.com,2008://1.9556-comment:76026</id>
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    <title>Comment from John of Argghhh! on 2008-07-31</title>
    <author>
        <name>John of Argghhh!</name>
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        Oh, you are *so* panned for that groaner.
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    <published>2008-07-31T16:53:58Z</published>
    <updated>2008-07-31T16:53:58Z</updated>
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    <title>Comment from Neffi on 2008-07-31</title>
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        <![CDATA[So... Trix are for Yids?<br />
(swiftly exiting, stage left)]]>
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    <published>2008-07-31T16:47:25Z</published>
    <updated>2008-07-31T16:47:25Z</updated>
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    <title>Comment from John of Argghhh! on 2008-07-31</title>
    <author>
        <name>John of Argghhh!</name>
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        <![CDATA[Yet Neffi explored that possibility, didn't he?&nbsp; I wasn't expecting anyone to get the exact company, and was pleasantly surprised to see someone essentially made the type of connection, if in reverse - in Neffi's case, an arms company making toys, vice a toy company making arms.&nbsp; Close enough for me, given what you had to work with.<br />
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And y'all did well reasoning things out, and Neffi probably benefited from that, too.&nbsp; A collaborative effort - showing one of the things blogs do well,&nbsp;facilitating interactive&nbsp;information exchange.]]>
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    <published>2008-07-31T15:55:00Z</published>
    <updated>2008-07-31T15:55:00Z</updated>
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    <title>Comment from AFSister on 2008-07-31</title>
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        <![CDATA[Damn.&nbsp; I was so close!&nbsp; Of course, given the information we had, I don't see how any of us could have known (or figured out) they were all made by the same company.]]>
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    <published>2008-07-31T15:45:08Z</published>
    <updated>2008-07-31T15:45:08Z</updated>
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    <title>Comment from John of Argghhh! on 2008-07-31</title>
    <author>
        <name>John of Argghhh!</name>
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        <![CDATA[And all that's left of <a href="http://pinderbarracks.nurnbergmilitaryarea.com/" rel="nofollow">Flak Kaserne Zirndorf/Pinder Barracks is the tower.</a>]]>
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    <published>2008-07-31T15:21:24Z</published>
    <updated>2008-07-31T15:21:24Z</updated>
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    <title>Comment from fdcol63 on 2008-07-31</title>
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        <![CDATA[And Zirndorf is now the home of &quot;PLAYMOBIL&quot;, another German toy manufacturer.]]>
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    <published>2008-07-31T15:17:25Z</published>
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