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Madmen at the Helm

[Kat]

I'm surprised we haven't linked this before, but I am finding the back and forth over Buchanan's book extremely interesting. It starts with a predictable book by Buchanan:

Churchill, Hitler and "The Unnecessary War’: How Britain Lost Its Empire and the West Lost the World

I haven't read the book, but I understand the premise is what is in the title. Pretty much, Buchanan insisting that decades of bad decision making by western nations, wars of aggression (by the west!), ending with a very tough Treaty of Versailles in 1918 is what leads to the rise of Hitler and World War II.

Which, if you insisted on viewing WWII as the culmination of totally rational, if occasionally, misguided or illogical, decisions of state, could be a simple and acceptable view of the war. Accept, of course, that throughout the periods that Buchanan samples, Germany is hardly an innocent player or simple victim of other imperial bullies. And, Hitler's Nazism wasn't exactly a flash of anti-semitic militarism straight out of the blue German skies without relationship to any other history.

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In fact, private, para-military forces were off shoots of "home troops" of the many principalities that made up Germany before and during Bismark's ascendance and the Kaiser's imperial expectations. They became even more powerful post WWI and the break up of the Weimar Republic, eventually leading to the installation of Hitler at the front of a para-military force.

Those are just little facts that Buchanan gives short shrift to in trying to shape history to his ideology. But, I'm an amateur in this ring, comparatively speaking, so I'll shove you over to Gateway Pundit, who has a great round up of the reply, counter and counter-counter reply between Hanson and Buchanan. Then Allahpundit jumps in with a link to Hitchen's take down.

The point that Hanson and Hitchens each conclude is very simple: Hitler was not and never was a rational actor at the helm of the Ship of State, regardless of whether someone can point to actions of Germany that seem the acts of a rational state.

These continuing attempts to reform Hitler into a rational actor are always egregious because they must rely on omitting everything Hitler did before 1939. Like opening concentration camps, killing untermenschen and writing a crazy book called "Mein Kampf", complete with all of his plans laid out and written almost a decade before he actually took power.

One of the worst arguments I've ever seen on the subject is that Hitler really hadn't killed that many people before the war started, so the war must be to blame for Hitler ramping up his murderous activities. That's pretty much where Buchanan comes down on the subject and that also ignores the truth that Hitler was actually trying to mass murder people well before the war began. He just hadn't settled on the most efficient, quiet manner. For all Hitler's railing against the capitalist industrialists raping the Fatherland in "Mein Kampf" (yes, I did read the book), he was extremely fond of the order and efficiency of factories. He wanted to put that to work for the state; in all things.

The only difference that the war made is that he no longer had to keep it somewhat "quiet" and out of sight; particularly, in "occupied" areas. A trench in the woods and machine guns to the back of the head were quick and sufficient. That was before he realized he couldn't totally stomp out all sense of humanity in his troops. Plus the time and money for ammunition and pausing to eradicate populations went against his industrial military timelines. That's when he expanded his industrial death camp machines to other areas like Poland.

In the end, it was not the lack of desire before the war that kept people from being mass murdered on an industrialized scale, it was the lack of appropriate means. At least, the means that Hitler felt fit in with his "New Reich" where the trains always ran on time.

Frankly, I agree with others that analyzing all the political moves up until the rise of Hitler is an interesting academic exercise, but attempting, in any way, to reform Hitler and make him a rational actor at the helm of a rational state is useless, offensive and corrosive. I can see no legitimate reason to do so and it flies in the face of reality. Usually, as is the case with Buchanan, it is an attempt to alleviate any sense of our responsibility towards Israel and make the death of entire populations acceptable as part of the norms or necessities of politics and war. He would like it to be more acceptable for the United States to compromise with Iran and leave Israel to the wolves, allowing the United States to be "America First".

As you might know, I reject that completely. It is one of the reasons that I have argued here very strongly against Iran and its moves to obtain nuclear weapons. Regardless of how rational a state's actions seems to be, or how we understand political machinations, when a national leader begins to speak about wiping a nation or people off the map, repeatedly, and then sets about ramping up development of the very weapon capable of doing it, I get very itchy.

Because, I remember, too, how many people thought Hitler was surely a rational man, only doing what was best for his nation and would, surely, not do anything so horrendous as he said in his speeches or book. It was all just talk to bolster the nation and bring it back from the brink of ruin.

Wasn't it?

25 Comments

Excellent analysis, Kat. I think one of GatewayPundit's commenters got it right: Buchanan is a 1930s-style isolationist with all that entails. He'd have felt right at home among Charles Coughlin's congregation.
 
To quote Patrick J. Buchanan from his column regarding his work; "Did Hanson even read it?" Seems to me, that is only fair. Perhaps, before making assumptions, and lodging criticisms, one should actually READ the material. For your edification and education, I'll let PJB explain it himself. Assuming the link works. http://buchanan.org/blog/2008/06/pjb-the-good-war-and-the-terrible-peace/
 
I have to step in and play Inigo Montoya. Rational actor doesn't mean what is implied here. Rational actor comes from game theory and is defined as a person/group with a set of stated goals whose actions coincide with said goals. That. Is. It. Hitler was extremely a rational actor. He was also exceedingly evil. The two are mutually exclusive. Being evil does not make one irrational, it just makes one someone who deserves a bullet in the brainpan. (Just a tip, Kat, there've been times when the US has loudly told the world what we were going to do, what our plans are, and dared them to stop us. Iraq is just the latest example. Axis of Evil? Yup. That isn't irrational. It may be stupid, but it isn't irrational unless one is striving for secrecy in these things.). Hitler, evil? Si. Irrational? Non. Stupid at times(moving the Panzers away from Hoth in the AGC for example), evil as hell, but not irrational. I'm not a Buchanan sympathizer, he embarrasses me as a Catholic often, and haven't read any of the reviews or the book. Just speaking to the abuse of language.
 
LOL..Ry..not to push your buttons, but I thought I couldn't say "evil". ;)
 
I haven't brought it up because I don't want to spend the time reading the damn book. I have a life and six other fargin' books to read.
 
Can't call something evil? Never said that, and I think one should always be clear as to why and whom one calls evil. Saying that simply because it is evil that we must go absolutely aggro on their tuckusses? That's conditional, and always is. We didn't go to war with the Nazi Reich because they were evil(hell, we partnered with the equally evil USSR against the NR), but for a host of other factors. I know the propoganda says otherwise, but it wasn't because they were evil.
 
Thanks for the link, Kevin; now I don't have to read the book. Cheers
 
hell, we partnered with the equally evil USSR against the NR Did Bill Buckley ever find out? That could be the reason John's not getting invites to post at The Corner...
 
Did Bill Buckley ever find out? That could be the reason John's not getting invites to post at The Corner... I dunno. Did Buckley know we're at war with beets too? It could be the beets thing. Wait, we're still at war with beets, right?
 
Sigh. Get an Instalanche today and look what we're sinking to... beets. But yes, we're still at war with beets.
 
Great post and discussion. I'd say there's a division between the rationality of ones methods and ones goal or philosophy. Expansionist imperialism is rational. Seeking the dream of the perfect race through genocide is not. I cringe a bit when people invoke Hitler when discussing Ahmadinejad and Iran. While they share a common bond in blatant anti-semitism the two could not be different. Hitler built and ruled an empire. Ahm blusters and snorts and generally makes a fool of himself but he doesn't rule an empire or even Iran. He's a convenient mouthpiece and political tool used by the ruling theocracy. And, I'd opine, the ruling theocracy are much more interested in continuing to be the ruling theocracy than they are in reducing themselves and their country to radioactive ash.
 
I'd say there's a division between the rationality of ones methods and ones goal or philosophy. Exactly, Soob. To bust into a corny, but easily gotten available, means of doing this we can look at the Dungeons and Dragons plane of character alignments(at least the 1st ed one). Good and evil exist independent of law or chaos. Chaotics being unpredictable, waaaay zany, overly emotive, and irrational. Lawfuls being very calculating and rational. Whether one uses that prediliction toward chaos/lawfulness for good or evil is independent of being irrational or rational. "And, I'd opine, the ruling theocracy are much more interested in continuing to be the ruling theocracy than they are in reducing themselves and their country to radioactive ash. Exactly. Which is why actions otehr than invasion are possible, and by that I mean things other than just another round of economic sanctions. Sigh. Get an Instalanche today and look what we're sinking to... beets. (points toward Iraq) Blame Unka Bill! Blame! He's the one who had to be a smart aleck! Unka Bill! He's the one you want to use the Ruler Of Argghhh! on the knuckles of. (scampers for cover(3/4, +2 to AC) and concelament(1/2, 20% chance of miss even if you make your roll)).
 
Heh. Sends the Hand of Vecna out after Ry. Don't make me get the Orb. Or the Eye.
 
PS...Thanks for fixing my spelling John. I was driving to work thinking about "uber" v. "unter" only to discover it was fixed by the time I got here.
 
kat - Haven't checked your e-mail yet, eh? Blame Unka Bill! Blame! He's the one who had to be a smart aleck! I didn't *have* to be, I *chose* to be. Just as I now choose to flay you alive and hang your hide on a bramble the next time you grab the last Belgian ale out of the fridge...
 
Saying that simply because it is evil that we must go absolutely aggro on their tuckusses? That's conditional, and always is. We didn't go to war with the Nazi Reich because they were evil(hell, we partnered with the equally evil USSR against the NR), but for a host of other factors. I know the propoganda says otherwise, but it wasn't because they were evil.
Pardon me, but 40 million people (direct casualties) later, maybe we should have gone aggro on them much earlier because they were evil.
 
...maybe we should have gone aggro on them much earlier because they were evil. We would have gotten our butts kicked, but good. In 1940, the Wehrmacht was the most battle-hardened modern army on the face of the planet. Not only were *we* still training with broomsticks, the only way we could have sent troops across the Atlantic would have been via the Cunard Lines == in steerage.
 
Bill...I can't see hotmail from work. I'm lucky they let this site pass through the filters. On the subject of what we could or could not do, I think it all revolves around what we were willing to recognize first and how early. Obviously, it would have meant starting to get on a ramped up war footing in '36 instead of '39 or '40 when we finally declared a national emergency and started drafting men. There is no doubt, everything would have had to come together at the right time. But, there is also no doubt, if we could start doing it in '39 we could have started in '36. As in all things, it's what we wanted to do when, not whether we could.
 
'Yer using some busted interps of history, Kat. We didn't know about the Holocaust until, what, '44? That kinda defeats the idea of going in earlier because they were evil. Hell, Time had HItler as man of the year, twice! Nobody believed as we do now, with hindsight, back then. And let us not forget that to do so FDR would've had to convince all but his closest friends to go down a path that would run up an insane level of debt, get hundreds of thousands killed or maimed, and on his say so. That's a pretty tall order, and sans Pearl impossible because he was already doing everything legally possible, including abusing neutrality in the worst way, to affect the outcome. Even with the Holocaust I doubt you'd get the entire nation to throw down sans PH. The isolationism that was the national gestalt was utterly against it. Just about everything was against the US getting involved directly before Pearl. If one does not accept that I posit one is not playing in reality. I now choose to flay you alive and hang your hide on a bramble the next time you grab the last Belgian ale out of the fridge... Yipe! (Sticks a 50 in the fridge while slinking away quietly)
 
Regarding evil and picking fights in which to destroy it... While it is true that we didn't know about the Nazi holocaust until after the war in Europe was well underway... We DID know that Stalin and his thugs in the USSR were actively implementing a multi-million person pogrom in all the Russias. Hell, the NYT pulitzer prize winning reporter Walter Duranty knew of the State sanctioned and implemented famine in the Ukraine in the 30's that deliberately starved to death millions. But he covered it up. That is, he lied and yes, millions died. We, or rather, our government KNEW of this holocaust, this evil. Yet did nothing but lavish praise on the Kremlin. So, bang the war drums to invade the USSR or not? It didn't work out so well the first time, White and Green armies notwithstanding. Hitler was indisputably evil, Stalin was even worse. Guess which one our Prez admired and affectionately called "Uncle Joe"? Hindsight in history is a benefit that those actually making the history seldom enjoy.
 
Roosevelt was a Democrat! Roosevelt was a Democrat! Roosevelt was a Democrat! usw. Cheers
 
For Victor Davis Hanson’s book review (read devistating rebuttal), see: http://www.victorhanson.com/articles/hanson061608.html June 16, 2008 Reply to Patrick J. Buchanan Pseudo-Historian, Very Real Dissimulator by Victor Davis Hanson PajamasMedia.com
 
"Kevin Frei"? Why, ain't that cute? Somebody's attempting to be snarky... I'll prefer PJB's take on this issue over this Hanson bloke. I will also make the observation, that this author, so smug in his knowledge makes this glaring and factually false statement (among others) while touting his credentials. "When I last looked the United States had not expanded its war on radical Islam by invading democratic India." India? Hindus-R-Us? Perhaps the 'historian ' should take a lesson in basic social geography 101. If he just made an oopsie, and meant Pakistan... well, evidence seems to show that we are 'invading' that Muslim country in our war on radical Islam. Though, I thought it was a war on terror, not a war against a religion... hmmmm.
 
Kevin (G) - while you have been and no doubt will be snarked in this space (that's how you know you're loved, right?) I assure you that "Kevin Frei" is not a snark. It's Kevin Frei's *name*. Take my word for it.
 
"It's Kevin Frei's *name*. Take my word for it." Hookay, I withdraw my counter-snark regarding a perceived snark. The rest of my comments stand. And, as we all love quotes... "I didn't do it, nobody saw me do it". B.S.