We're the Military and Airpower Guys of Jonah Goldberg of National Review Online + a stray we found wandering around looking lost. All original material JHD, BHD, JR, WT, and KA 2003-2010 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2008/06/heh_not_good_ne.html Sat, 24 Mar 2012 15:29:47 Z Movable Type 4.12 en Copyright 2012 http://www.rssboard.org/rss-specification Cause - sent to me by a buddy, under the header, "Boo, hiss! Fort Bliss" FORT BLISS, Texas (AP) -- This military base in the far West Texas desert stood as the last Army post in America where if you were old enough to fight and die for your country, you were old enough to drink a beer. But the party is over at Fort Bliss. Citing too many drunken-driving crashes and arrests and too many fights, the new commanding general has raised the drinking age on base from 18 to 21, bringing 17,000-soldier Fort Bliss into line with what... http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2008/06/heh_not_good_ne.html http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2008/06/heh_not_good_ne.html Wed, 04 Jun 2008 09:52:29 -0600 Heh. And if you didn't *have* the second ID? I wonder what would have happened then. Olangapo. Sodom-in-the-Phillipines... http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2008/06/heh_not_good_ne.html#comment-73836 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2008/06/heh_not_good_ne.html#comment-73836 Thu, 05 Jun 2008 06:34:31 -0600 Way back when I was just in the Navy before I was 21 (checks dusty tome for dates) I recall being rather annoyed that I was old enough to fight but not old enough to buy a beer. Especially after doing a port visit in Brisbane where none of us could not buy one, the diggers or bar tenders bought the beer for the "Yanks". We won't mention what went on in Olongapo. No one checked ID cards there or Sasebo, Yokouska, Kobe, Hong Kong, Kaochung, Pago Pago, just San Diego. Come to think of it, no one has carded me in a couple of decades. Maybe I should try Hooters, I hear they card everyone. TINS… Shortly after getting legal in San Diego I was sitting in a bar on Broadway having a cold one and the vice squad comes in. Two guys in plain clothes, they started at the far end of the bar with the gray haired gent and carded everyone. They asked for a photo ID (you youngsters would not know that back then your drivers license was not a photo ID) and I handed them my military ID. The man asked for another so I gave him my Merchant Mariner Document. He handed them back and went down the bar. After they left the bar tender came over and asked what I had used for the second ID. I showed it to him and he explained that the vice squad guys where expecting me to give them a second military ID with a different date on it. I didn’t go to jail and the bar didn’t get fined. http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2008/06/heh_not_good_ne.html#comment-73833 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2008/06/heh_not_good_ne.html#comment-73833 Thu, 05 Jun 2008 01:44:11 -0600 I can find no good reason for NOT lowering the drinking age to 18. None. Nada. Zip. If our courts are trying 18 year olds as adults, and arguing that they are old enough to make a reasoned decision regarding the law, then they are old enough to make a reasoned decision regarding their alcohol consumption. I firmly believe their is a valid discrimination suit just waiting to be filed by those under 21. http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2008/06/heh_not_good_ne.html#comment-73821 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2008/06/heh_not_good_ne.html#comment-73821 Wed, 04 Jun 2008 13:46:11 -0600 Karla - how, how, *euro* of you. Of course, I agree. And the authorities would be appalled at our behavior at home when Andy was less-than-21. http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2008/06/heh_not_good_ne.html#comment-73816 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2008/06/heh_not_good_ne.html#comment-73816 Wed, 04 Jun 2008 11:11:18 -0600 Wow, I didn't think there were any posts that still allowed 18yr olds to drink. When I visited my son, who is USMC stationed aboard Camp Lejeune, there were flags on the door of the quarters indicating residents under 18 (no tobacco) and under 21 (no alcohol) for the weekly inspections. I also got a real giggle over the fact that people yelled down the balcony "female on deck" so that I could come up and see where he lived. Personally, I think that if young adults are allowed to have moderate amounts of alcohol in a family setting (glass of wine at dinner, beer after working in the yard for example) and the adults around them model good habits in regard to alcohol (never driving after drinking and practicing moderation at all times), then alcohol looses a lot of the mistique and ceases to be a rite of passage. JC certainly never went as overboard with it as many of his friends did, but I don't know if that's because of our parenting or his inate good sense! LOL http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2008/06/heh_not_good_ne.html#comment-73815 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2008/06/heh_not_good_ne.html#comment-73815 Wed, 04 Jun 2008 10:39:20 -0600