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Guantanamo No Mo'?

[Kat]

Well, I'm nearly at a loss as to what to say about yesterday's ruling that unlawful enemy combatants held at Guantanamo Bay (and possibly other detainees held on or in any other quintessentially "official" "territory of the United States") have the right to challenge their detention on the grounds of habeas corpus.

US Constitution, Section 8

Congress shall have the power to...

To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;

The law that congress created to deal with the trials apparently didn't float with the courts because, I suppose, they felt it was taking too long and there were still many held without charges. Still, I can't figure out between the Geneva Conventions, the Constitution and the UCMJ, where that ruling fits in.

For instance, does this give unlawful combatants more rights than actual prisoners of war? Or, even give those rights to actual prisoners of war detained during an actual declared war? Would the president, under those conditions, have to actually declare a suspension of habeas corpus in order to maintain control of POWs? And, how explicit or detailed would that have to be in order to avoid charges of damaging or denigrating any actual citizen's right to habeas corpus?

What about what constitutes territory of the United States? Since any military base occupied and/or operated by the United States is technically US territory, does any prisoner on such a base have extended rights and access to American courts for petition? What about those tens of thousands of prisoners held in American prisons in Iraq? Or, in Afghanistan?

What are the limits? And, why did the courts decide they had to establish their power over what has ostensibly and long been the purview of congress, the executive and the military? We're talking about people who are either detained on the battle field or who are declared enemies of the United States and have killed or planned to kill United States citizens in acts of war.

Mukasey says that tribunals will continue, but the court ruling seems to indicate that, even during this process or, probably more often, before, they can apply for habeas corpus.

Other questions: did the courts just give foreign, declared enemies of the United States the same rights as a US citizen? What incentive, exactly, will a lawful combatant have, participating in war under a flag, in uniform, to keep that uniform on, not target civilians or do other acts of terrorism? Or, created a disincentive to take prisoners?

Yeah. I'm asking if the courts just killed the Geneva Conventions.

Did they just inflict the Liberal view that terrorism was a social and criminal act, not an act of war?

Though, I'm with Drew at Ace on this one that the courts may be (hopefully) incredibly slow and reluctant to actually grant habeas corpus to a terrorist like KSM because they might find the citizens of this country extremely angry.

Lindsey Graham (R), the sometimes whipping boy of the right, is pushing to amend the constitution.

Poll: Many in world look to US election for change

Elections? Why don't they just apply to our courts?

But, this point becomes extremely important in the upcoming elections:

Analysis: Court's course in next president's hands

Ya' think?

9 Comments

This was a horrible decision by the SCOTUS -or, more to the point horrible judgment from the five liberal judges on the bench. It’s would seem that liberal judges on the Supreme Court have given the green light to take no prisoners in this war. That is the main conclusion I draw from this decision. The second conclusion is the Court is making power grab that will have extremely negative consequences in the future. Lastly, it’s basically a huge employment contract for ACLU lawyers.
 
Or, created a disincentive to take prisoners? The Chain of Command sets the Rules of Engagement. Our ROE in Vietnam allowed us to engage any non-uniformed military-age male carrying a weapon whenever they were 1. shooting at us, 2. shooting at friendly troops, 3. shooting at civilians or fleeing an engagement area where those acts had taken place. If we saw him toss his weapon away, we couldn't kill him, but we *could* capture him, because he had been actively engaged in hostile activity. The SC has now decided, in essence, that someone who has been actively engaged in hostile activity may be killed, but may not be detained. The SC did more than usurp a Constitutionally- ordained Legislative function -- it just inserted itself into the Chain of Command.
 
"... The SC did more than usurp a Constitutionally- ordained Legislative function -- it just inserted itself into the Chain of Command. ..."
Why, it couldn't be because the liberals on the SC really want that Chain of Command to flow through an internationalist UN or some other global, supra-national authority, would it? Naaaah.
 
Kat, You might be better off leaving the analysis to the big boys lest you find yourself on the wrong side of the very things our service people fight for. In the early part of this war, ya'll said you were fighting for freedom. Now you've changed the conversation to something else. Just like this administration -- always moving the bar. You are aware I assume that: Justice Anthony Kennedy was appointed by President Reagan. John Paul Stevens was appointed by President Ford. Justice David Souter was appointed by President George W. H. Bush. All were part of the 5-4 majority in this case. Please, please, please, try to get informed before spouting off on issues sacred to our Country.
 
Hi, Cliff. Lessee - you've just shown that being appointed by a Republican doesn't mean you're always going to go with the anticipated flow, eh? Better to look at the overall record of the individual doing the voting, when they have one, vice the party of the person doing the appointing. Everybody - Cliff is back, remember the Rulez, please.
 
Actually, I didn't think I expressed much of an opinion so much as asked a lot of questions people ought to and probably are asking. My only concession to the "Liberal" wasn't even about the judges, but the struggle over the definition of terrorism: criminal or war? Did you read anything that said otherwise?
 
I don't see what good amending the Constitution would do. Our berobed overlords don't pay any attention to what the Constitution says anyway when it conflicts with the end they have in mind.
 
Mon Dieu! She Of Pointy Shoes And Trivets (SOPSAT?) disses the Robes Noir! Hah! Well, *she* won't expect the Inquisition! Nobody expects the Spanish Inquistion!